Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 I don't mind folks thinking it's rude of me to challenge their sloppy language, but I'd like to be clear why I think it's important for me to challenge sloppy language when I see it. I think it's important for us, especially if we want to be taken seriously, to say what we mean. If we mean " harmful chemicals " , we should say that. I already spend a good portion of my life explaining why vegan doesn't mean I can eat fish; I don't need people thinking I think everything that's made from chemicals is harmful. serene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Hi Serene I think the important thing about language is that it should be understood by everyone - and when people talk of " the use of chemicals " , it is standard short-hand for " the use of harmful chemicals " . Much like we rarely refer to " the pianoforte " anymore. However, since it's important to you: > I already spend a good portion of my life explaining why vegan > doesn't mean I can eat fish; I don't need people thinking I think > everything that's made from chemicals is harmful. That should be " ...why vegan means that I can not eat fish " . The way you've put it suggests that being vegan has no bearing on whether or not you can eat fish. Incidentally, the semi-colon is also incorrectly used. Ideally you should use a full stop since the two statements do not appear to be related. If you did mean them to be related, it should be a colon. Not that I care too much since your meaning is clear, but I thought you might want to know so that you don't repeat the mistakes in the future. BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 oh dear bacchus..if someone starts making me digram sentences, i'm gonna do a nasty action verb Peter <metalscarab Sep 14, 2005 1:00 PM Re: Manners and precision Hi Serene I think the important thing about language is that it should be understood by everyone - and when people talk of " the use of chemicals " , it is standard short-hand for " the use of harmful chemicals " . Much like we rarely refer to " the pianoforte " anymore. However, since it's important to you: > I already spend a good portion of my life explaining why vegan > doesn't mean I can eat fish; I don't need people thinking I think > everything that's made from chemicals is harmful. That should be " ...why vegan means that I can not eat fish " . The way you've put it suggests that being vegan has no bearing on whether or not you can eat fish. Incidentally, the semi-colon is also incorrectly used. Ideally you should use a full stop since the two statements do not appear to be related. If you did mean them to be related, it should be a colon. Not that I care too much since your meaning is clear, but I thought you might want to know so that you don't repeat the mistakes in the future. BB Peter To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 *looks in vegan chat manual* hmmm...page 3283 of the yellow section, subsection G, clearly has precedence in this matter it sez " Winky winky tigger tiger winky doo " there i think that explains the issue nicely Jo Cwazy <heartwork Sep 14, 2005 1:00 PM Re: Manners and precision As far as I am aware there are no rules on this list to say that we all have to reach certain standards of intelligence or speech - just that we remain polite to each other. Jo I am only one, but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can still do something; and because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do the something that I can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Hi Fraggle > *looks in vegan chat manual* > hmmm...page 3283 of the yellow section, subsection G, clearly has precedence in this matter > it sez > " Winky winky tigger tiger winky doo " While you do indeed have a fine point, I'd like to point you in the direction of Appendix 947, section 12, subsection F, paragraph 4, which clearly states: " Hoopla diddly nang nang ziggle wop " , which I feel must take precedence here. BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Well I`m safe then, ....not much intelligence here. Do I really have to be polite all the time? ...................Oh F**K Sorry! The Valley Vegan..............Jo Cwazy <heartwork wrote: As far as I am aware there are no rules on this list to say that we all haveto reach certain standards of intelligence or speech - just that we remainpolite to each other.Jo-"serene (Sandra Vannoy)" Wednesday, September 14, 2005 8:37 PM Manners and precision> I don't mind folks thinking it's rude of me to challenge their sloppy> language, but I'd like to be clear why I think it's important for me to> challenge sloppy language when I see it.>> I think it's important for us, especially if we want to be taken> seriously, to say what we mean. If we mean "harmful chemicals", we should> say that. I already spend a good portion of my life explaining why vegan> doesn't mean I can eat fish; I don't need people thinking I think> everything that's made from chemicals is harmful.>> serene>>>> To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 LOL - not much wrong with your brain Peter - and yes please - polite all the time. Language Timothy! :-) Jo - peter hurd Wednesday, September 14, 2005 9:34 PM Re: Manners and precision Well I`m safe then, ....not much intelligence here. Do I really have to be polite all the time? ...................Oh F**K Sorry! The Valley Vegan..............Jo Cwazy <heartwork wrote: As far as I am aware there are no rules on this list to say that we all haveto reach certain standards of intelligence or speech - just that we remainpolite to each other.Jo-"serene (Sandra Vannoy)" Wednesday, September 14, 2005 8:37 PM Manners and precision> I don't mind folks thinking it's rude of me to challenge their sloppy> language, but I'd like to be clear why I think it's important for me to> challenge sloppy language when I see it.>> I think it's important for us, especially if we want to be taken> seriously, to say what we mean. If we mean "harmful chemicals", we should> say that. I already spend a good portion of my life explaining why vegan> doesn't mean I can eat fish; I don't need people thinking I think> everything that's made from chemicals is harmful.>> serene>>>> To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 I find you going on about using a colon, analy retentive. What about use of the appendix? Must go, I seem to have split my infinitive! must change them for a new pair. The Valley Vegan..............Peter <metalscarab wrote: Hi SereneI think the important thing about language is that it should be understoodby everyone - and when people talk of "the use of chemicals", it is standardshort-hand for "the use of harmful chemicals". Much like we rarely refer to"the pianoforte" anymore.However, since it's important to you:> I already spend a good portion of my life explaining why vegan> doesn't mean I can eat fish; I don't need people thinking I think> everything that's made from chemicals is harmful.That should be "...why vegan means that I can not eat fish". The way you'veput it suggests that being vegan has no bearing on whether or not you caneat fish. Incidentally, the semi-colon is also incorrectly used. Ideally youshould use a full stop since the two statements do not appear to be related.If you did mean them to be related, it should be a colon.Not that I care too much since your meaning is clear, but I thought youmight want to know so that you don't repeat the mistakes in the future.BBPeter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 i think thats only in the UK handbook... but..since this group originates across the pond, i concur, and humbly accept yer position Peter <metalscarab Sep 14, 2005 1:24 PM Re: Manners and precision Hi Fraggle > *looks in vegan chat manual* > hmmm...page 3283 of the yellow section, subsection G, clearly has precedence in this matter > it sez > " Winky winky tigger tiger winky doo " While you do indeed have a fine point, I'd like to point you in the direction of Appendix 947, section 12, subsection F, paragraph 4, which clearly states: " Hoopla diddly nang nang ziggle wop " , which I feel must take precedence here. BB Peter To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Ah geez, I don't want to be nitpicky, but ANY chemical can be a harmful chemical. And, clarity in language is only a problem when someone " uses a word in a manner not generally understood in the context used. " I don't think anyone misunderstood what Jo was saying. Lynda - " serene (Sandra Vannoy) " <serene Wednesday, September 14, 2005 12:37 PM Manners and precision >I don't mind folks thinking it's rude of me to challenge their sloppy > language, but I'd like to be clear why I think it's important for me to > challenge sloppy language when I see it. > > I think it's important for us, especially if we want to be taken > seriously, to say what we mean. If we mean " harmful chemicals " , we should > say that. I already spend a good portion of my life explaining why vegan > doesn't mean I can eat fish; I don't need people thinking I think > everything that's made from chemicals is harmful. > > serene > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Look Serene, Some of us take offence (and possibly the gate as well ), at being taken seriously. I have spent many years perfecting this image of buffonery, indeed such a cunning disguise is it that it would beat a weasel in national cunning week. O.D.`d on vegan fudge, The Valley Vegan............"serene (Sandra Vannoy)" <serene wrote: I don't mind folks thinking it's rude of me to challenge their sloppylanguage, but I'd like to be clear why I think it's important for me tochallenge sloppy language when I see it.I think it's important for us, especially if we want to be takenseriously, to say what we mean. If we mean "harmful chemicals", we shouldsay that. I already spend a good portion of my life explaining why vegandoesn't mean I can eat fish; I don't need people thinking I thinkeverything that's made from chemicals is harmful.serene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Oh, for crying out loud. Arguing about which page! Sheesh! Don't you know it all comes down to " I said so cause I'm the mom! " Lynda - " Peter " <metalscarab Wednesday, September 14, 2005 1:24 PM Re: Manners and precision > Hi Fraggle > >> *looks in vegan chat manual* >> hmmm...page 3283 of the yellow section, subsection G, clearly has > precedence in this matter >> it sez >> " Winky winky tigger tiger winky doo " > > While you do indeed have a fine point, I'd like to point you in the > direction of Appendix 947, section 12, subsection F, paragraph 4, which > clearly states: " Hoopla diddly nang nang ziggle wop " , which I feel must > take > precedence here. > > BB > Peter > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Hi Peter > I find you going on about using a colon, analy retentive. Oh very witty :-) BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Hi Fraggle > i think thats only in the UK handbook... What, you mean that they haven't got the new international hand book out to the US members yet? I dunno, just how slow can the distribution department be? I blame Nikki - I'm sure she programmed the evil twins in that department with a will of their own. BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Hey, watch that! My co-conspirator, I mean, co-worker wouldn't do any such thing! Lynda - " Peter " <metalscarab Wednesday, September 14, 2005 2:12 PM Re: Manners and precision > Hi Fraggle > >> i think thats only in the UK handbook... > > What, you mean that they haven't got the new international hand book out > to > the US members yet? I dunno, just how slow can the distribution department > be? I blame Nikki - I'm sure she programmed the evil twins in that > department with a will of their own. > > BB > Peter > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 I reckon you could out-Baldrick Baldrick, Peter :-) Jo - peter hurd Wednesday, September 14, 2005 10:07 PM Re: Manners and precision Look Serene, Some of us take offence (and possibly the gate as well ), at being taken seriously. I have spent many years perfecting this image of buffonery, indeed such a cunning disguise is it that it would beat a weasel in national cunning week. O.D.`d on vegan fudge, The Valley Vegan............"serene (Sandra Vannoy)" <serene wrote: I don't mind folks thinking it's rude of me to challenge their sloppylanguage, but I'd like to be clear why I think it's important for me tochallenge sloppy language when I see it.I think it's important for us, especially if we want to be takenseriously, to say what we mean. If we mean "harmful chemicals", we shouldsay that. I already spend a good portion of my life explaining why vegandoesn't mean I can eat fish; I don't need people thinking I thinkeverything that's made from chemicals is harmful.serene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Lynda That sounds like a good one to me :-) Jo > Don't you know it all comes down to " I said so cause I'm the mom! " > > Lynda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 i think they got hung up in customs.. some sort of homeland security issues (actually..we've had several major books help up in customs over the past year..amazingly enough, they were all books that were disparaging against this administration..who would have thunk it...) Peter <metalscarab Sep 14, 2005 2:12 PM Re: Manners and precision Hi Fraggle > i think thats only in the UK handbook... What, you mean that they haven't got the new international hand book out to the US members yet? I dunno, just how slow can the distribution department be? I blame Nikki - I'm sure she programmed the evil twins in that department with a will of their own. BB Peter To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 well..don't really think that'll work with neither peter nor I Lynda <lurine Sep 14, 2005 2:10 PM Re: Manners and precision Oh, for crying out loud. Arguing about which page! Sheesh! Don't you know it all comes down to " I said so cause I'm the mom! " Lynda I am only one, but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can still do something; and because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do the something that I can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 The kidlet is in the book " business " and it amazed me to find out how long it takes to ship something out of the U.S. TEN weeks for a book to get to Australia! Sheesh, we could have paddled over there in less time! Lynda - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Wednesday, September 14, 2005 2:45 PM Re: Manners and precision > > i think they got hung up in customs.. > some sort of homeland security issues > > (actually..we've had several major books help up in customs over the past > year..amazingly enough, they were all books that were disparaging against > this administration..who would have thunk it...) > > Peter <metalscarab > Sep 14, 2005 2:12 PM > > Re: Manners and precision > > Hi Fraggle > >> i think thats only in the UK handbook... > > What, you mean that they haven't got the new international hand book out > to > the US members yet? I dunno, just how slow can the distribution department > be? I blame Nikki - I'm sure she programmed the evil twins in that > department with a will of their own. > > BB > Peter > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 Perhaps hexing your beer will get your attention <g> Lynda - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Wednesday, September 14, 2005 2:46 PM Re: Manners and precision > well..don't really think that'll work with neither peter nor I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 Hi Lynda > Perhaps hexing your beer will get your attention <g> You can hex my beer all you like... I still won't be drinking it! :-) BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 yea, I ordered a book from some australian guy on ebay and it took two months. -anouk - Lynda 9/14/2005 8:32:32 PM Re: Manners and precision The kidlet is in the book "business" and it amazed me to find out how long it takes to ship something out of the U.S. TEN weeks for a book to get to Australia! Sheesh, we could have paddled over there in less time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 australia has REALLY strict customs always would run into issues with em when i use to be a warehouse manager...you couldn't send wooden pallets, had to have a ginormous amount of paperwork, and if you didn't dot the correct I it would sit forever... ah well fraggle Lynda <lurine Sep 14, 2005 5:16 PM Re: Manners and precision The kidlet is in the book " business " and it amazed me to find out how long it takes to ship something out of the U.S. TEN weeks for a book to get to Australia! Sheesh, we could have paddled over there in less time! Lynda - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Wednesday, September 14, 2005 2:45 PM Re: Manners and precision > > i think they got hung up in customs.. > some sort of homeland security issues > > (actually..we've had several major books help up in customs over the past > year..amazingly enough, they were all books that were disparaging against > this administration..who would have thunk it...) > > Peter <metalscarab > Sep 14, 2005 2:12 PM > > Re: Manners and precision > > Hi Fraggle > >> i think thats only in the UK handbook... > > What, you mean that they haven't got the new international hand book out > to > the US members yet? I dunno, just how slow can the distribution department > be? I blame Nikki - I'm sure she programmed the evil twins in that > department with a will of their own. > > BB > Peter > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 them's dangerous words missy!!! messin with a fraggle's beer ..ya haven't seen me angry!! i knows where you live! and yer bike!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lynda <lurine Sep 14, 2005 5:17 PM Re: Manners and precision Perhaps hexing your beer will get your attention <g> Lynda - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Wednesday, September 14, 2005 2:46 PM Re: Manners and precision > well..don't really think that'll work with neither peter nor I To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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