Guest guest Posted June 5, 2005 Report Share Posted June 5, 2005 'US has secret prisons' 05/06/2005 16:47 - (SA) Washington - The US government is running an " archipelago " of prisons around the world, many of them secret camps into which people are being " literally disappeared, " a top Amnesty International official said on Sunday. AI executive director William Schulz criticised the administration of US President George W Bush for holding alleged opponents in " indefinite incommunicado detention " without access to lawyers in an interview with Fox News Sunday. The right's group representative was pressed to substantiate Amnesty's claim that the prison camp at the US naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba - where hundreds of foreign terror suspects are being held indefinitely - represents the " gulag of our times. " The gulag claim, referring to the notorious prison camps of the Soviet Union, has been fiercely criticised by Bush - who called the claim " absurd " - vice president Dick Cheney, defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld and other top US officials. Schulz said the gulag reference was not " an exact or a literal analogy. " " But there are some similarities. The United States is maintaining an archipelago of prisons around the world, many of them secret prisons into which people are being literally disappeared - held in indefinite incommunicado detention without access to lawyers, " Schulz said. Asked to explain the " moral equivalency " between the detentions of millions of Soviet citizens in the original gulag system and purported anti-US combatants taken on the battlefield, Schulz replied that some of those held in Guantanamo " happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. " We do know that at least some of the 200 some prisoners who have been released from Guantanamo Bay have made pretty persuasive cases that they were imprisoned there, not because they were involved in military conflict but simply because they were enemies of the Northern Alliance, " he said. Schulz called for an official probe into the alleged rights abuses at US detention centers around the globe. The United States " should be the one that should investigate those who are alleged at least to be architects of torture, not just the foot soldiers who may have inflicted the torture directly, but those who authorised it or encouraged it or provided rationales for it or in the case of Rumsfeld, provided the exact rules, 27 of them in fact, for interrogations, some of which do constitute torture or cruel, inhumane treatment, " Schulz said. The New York Times said on Sunday that the Guantanamo Bay prison should be closed down by the Bush administration, saying it had become " a national shame " and a " propaganda gift to America's enemies. " Those who control the past, control the future; Those who control the future, control the present; Those who control the present, control the past.^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2005 Report Share Posted June 5, 2005 While I am normally very ready to believe the worst things that are being said about the Bush regime I have to remind myself that you are quoting Fox News which is one of Ruport Murdoch's personal propaganda machines. Fair and balanced - my ass. Mary , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > 'US has secret prisons' > 05/06/2005 16:47 - (SA) > > Washington - The US government is running an " archipelago " of > prisons around the world, many of them secret camps into which > people are being " literally disappeared, " a top Amnesty > International official said on Sunday. > > AI executive director William Schulz criticised the administration > of US President George W Bush for holding alleged opponents > in " indefinite incommunicado detention " without access to lawyers in > an interview with Fox News Sunday. > > The right's group representative was pressed to substantiate > Amnesty's claim that the prison camp at the US naval base at > Guantanamo Bay, Cuba - where hundreds of foreign terror suspects are > being held indefinitely - represents the " gulag of our times. " > > The gulag claim, referring to the notorious prison camps of the > Soviet Union, has been fiercely criticised by Bush - who called the > claim " absurd " - vice president Dick Cheney, defence secretary > Donald Rumsfeld and other top US officials. > > Schulz said the gulag reference was not " an exact or a literal > analogy. " > > " But there are some similarities. The United States is maintaining > an archipelago of prisons around the world, many of them secret > prisons into which people are being literally disappeared - held in > indefinite incommunicado detention without access to lawyers, " > Schulz said. > > Asked to explain the " moral equivalency " between the detentions of > millions of Soviet citizens in the original gulag system and > purported anti-US combatants taken on the battlefield, Schulz > replied that some of those held in Guantanamo " happened to be in the > wrong place at the wrong time. > > " We do know that at least some of the 200 some prisoners who have > been released from Guantanamo Bay have made pretty persuasive cases > that they were imprisoned there, not because they were involved in > military conflict but simply because they were enemies of the > Northern Alliance, " he said. > > Schulz called for an official probe into the alleged rights abuses > at US detention centers around the globe. > > The United States " should be the one that should investigate those > who are alleged at least to be architects of torture, not just the > foot soldiers who may have inflicted the torture directly, but those > who authorised it or encouraged it or provided rationales for it or > in the case of Rumsfeld, provided the exact rules, 27 of them in > fact, for interrogations, some of which do constitute torture or > cruel, inhumane treatment, " Schulz said. > > The New York Times said on Sunday that the Guantanamo Bay prison > should be closed down by the Bush administration, saying it had > become " a national shame " and a " propaganda gift to America's > enemies. " > > > Those who control the past, control the future; Those who control the future, control the present; Those who control the present, control the past.^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2005 Report Share Posted June 5, 2005 and if FOX news is saying anything remotely bad about this admin, then the truth must be absolutely horrendous Mary Minihane Jun 5, 2005 2:25 PM Re: Gulag USA While I am normally very ready to believe the worst things that are being said about the Bush regime I have to remind myself that you are quoting Fox News which is one of Ruport Murdoch's personal propaganda machines. Fair and balanced - my ass.Mary Those who control the past, control the future; Those who control the future, control the present; Those who control the present, control the past.^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2005 Report Share Posted June 5, 2005 It was a good watch. The guy from Amnesty International make Fox's Chris what'shisface look like an ass! Lynda - Mary Minihane <minih Sunday, June 05, 2005 2:25 PM Re: Gulag USA > While I am normally very ready to believe the worst things that are > being said about the Bush regime I have to remind myself that you > are quoting Fox News which is one of Ruport Murdoch's personal > propaganda machines. Fair and balanced - my ass. > Mary > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > > 'US has secret prisons' > > 05/06/2005 16:47 - (SA) > > > > Washington - The US government is running an " archipelago " of > > prisons around the world, many of them secret camps into which > > people are being " literally disappeared, " a top Amnesty > > International official said on Sunday. > > > > AI executive director William Schulz criticised the administration > > of US President George W Bush for holding alleged opponents > > in " indefinite incommunicado detention " without access to lawyers > in > > an interview with Fox News Sunday. > > > > The right's group representative was pressed to substantiate > > Amnesty's claim that the prison camp at the US naval base at > > Guantanamo Bay, Cuba - where hundreds of foreign terror suspects > are > > being held indefinitely - represents the " gulag of our times. " > > > > The gulag claim, referring to the notorious prison camps of the > > Soviet Union, has been fiercely criticised by Bush - who called > the > > claim " absurd " - vice president Dick Cheney, defence secretary > > Donald Rumsfeld and other top US officials. > > > > Schulz said the gulag reference was not " an exact or a literal > > analogy. " > > > > " But there are some similarities. The United States is maintaining > > an archipelago of prisons around the world, many of them secret > > prisons into which people are being literally disappeared - held > in > > indefinite incommunicado detention without access to lawyers, " > > Schulz said. > > > > Asked to explain the " moral equivalency " between the detentions of > > millions of Soviet citizens in the original gulag system and > > purported anti-US combatants taken on the battlefield, Schulz > > replied that some of those held in Guantanamo " happened to be in > the > > wrong place at the wrong time. > > > > " We do know that at least some of the 200 some prisoners who have > > been released from Guantanamo Bay have made pretty persuasive > cases > > that they were imprisoned there, not because they were involved in > > military conflict but simply because they were enemies of the > > Northern Alliance, " he said. > > > > Schulz called for an official probe into the alleged rights abuses > > at US detention centers around the globe. > > > > The United States " should be the one that should investigate those > > who are alleged at least to be architects of torture, not just the > > foot soldiers who may have inflicted the torture directly, but > those > > who authorised it or encouraged it or provided rationales for it > or > > in the case of Rumsfeld, provided the exact rules, 27 of them in > > fact, for interrogations, some of which do constitute torture or > > cruel, inhumane treatment, " Schulz said. > > > > The New York Times said on Sunday that the Guantanamo Bay prison > > should be closed down by the Bush administration, saying it had > > become " a national shame " and a " propaganda gift to America's > > enemies. " > > > > > > Those who control the past, control the future; Those who control > the future, control the present; Those who control the present, > control the past.^ > > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2005 Report Share Posted June 5, 2005 Fox wasn't saying anything bad. They were trying, unsuccessfully, to beat up the guy from Amnesty International. The London bureau is who called Dumbya and the Geriatric crew's prisons gulags. Fox's Chris Walace took a real thumping. He Delphi'd and reframed and used the old "are you still beating your wife" routine and still couldn't rattle the Amnesty International guy. Lynda - fraggle Sunday, June 05, 2005 2:50 PM Re: Re: Gulag USA and if FOX news is saying anything remotely bad about this admin, then the truth must be absolutely horrendous Mary Minihane Jun 5, 2005 2:25 PM Re: Gulag USA While I am normally very ready to believe the worst things that are being said about the Bush regime I have to remind myself that you are quoting Fox News which is one of Ruport Murdoch's personal propaganda machines. Fair and balanced - my ass.MaryTo send an email to - Those who control the past, control the future; Those who control the future, control the present; Those who control the present, control the past.^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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