Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 If Fur Coat Factories Had Glass Walls In 1996, Paul and Linda McCartney issued this opinion: "If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be vegetarian." Yesterday, I watched half of the video (Inside the Chinese Fur Trade) on this link: http://www.peta2.com/OUTTHERE/o-AndyDWetSeal.asp Neither the clubbing of baby-white seals, nor the slaughtering of lambs, nor boiling of squealing pigs affected me as much as the above film. Those other abominations I forced myself to watch to their conclusion. Not this one. I have never in my life witnessed anything so horrifying, and I could not view the second half of the attached video. If you are able to, please relate to me what I missed. Perhaps your written words will lessen my anguish of being an eyewitness to such unprecedented suffering. Send the link to friends or members of your family who continue to wear fur, and thank those who made viewing of this film possible. http://www.PETA.org I wonder in what manner a tribunal of animals sitting in judgement would deliver justice to the men who commit such immoral acts of cruelty and torture, and to the untold number of other persons who knowingly participate in said crime by electing to wear a victim's skin. Robert Cohen http://www.notmilk.com - fraggle Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:29 PM Re: So, how bad did I screw up? hey kevin haven't weighed in on this, as not sure exactly wot you want/desire...and you've already gotten into discussions with others, so have kept quiet but if i may replace "milk" in the chai tea with, oh, baby fat..... its all a case of what we see as an option, and what we don't...we all draw the line somewhere...you can rationalize it as "well, it would be a waste if i didn't drink what was already poured"...fair enough, i am not faulting you or pointing fingers(since they are busy clacking away on the keyboard anyways...no time to point).....just, what would you have done if you got a nice steaming cup of tea with yummy globs of baby fat? to Jonathan Swift for ya? ok...switch it with, puppy heads..... why not? they eat dogs all over the place...in this society we just see it generally as nasty, since we differentiate between companion/pets and food.... so, would it have been a waste if you refused the cup full of steaming tea, with the lil puppy heads staring up at you? i mean..think of all the protein.... to be of course followed by a nice crunchy frog chocky, rams bladder cup(with a lovely garnish of lark's vomit)...cockroach cluster...anthrax ripple.... ack..late fer work... cheers fraggle "Kevin L. McDonald" May 16, 2005 5:07 PM Re: So, how bad did I screw up? Talisman,Just curious--what would your response have been if you had been served the chai tea, and your concern was not health, but animal cruelty and not wanting to support it? Would you have let the milk go to waste? That is the only reason I consumed it after seeing it was "milked," and the only reason I consumed the second, equally botched order. I thought that it would be even more of a shame that the milk had been wasted and the animal suffered in vain.I'm honestly not trying to rationalize it. I can see your point about dairy being addictive. After seeing many good reasons why it is horrible for animals, though, I'm not interested. Tonight, going through a wonderful salad line, I strongly desired a heaping helping of Ranch dressing, but opted for Italian instead, even though I am alone on this trip and accountable to nobody but myself.On the other hand, today I went through a food line and selected a serving of what appeared to be some oven-roasted potatoes brushed with oil and spices, but when the guy dipped them out, I saw the pan was soaked in butter. The two guys I was with already knew I was vegan (I met them today), knew that butter was a no-no, and most likely noticed my mistake at the same time I did. This time, wasting the butter was also in a precarious balance with coming across as a fraud, as weak, or simply stupid. I chose to quietly not eat the potatoes and focused on my other selections. It wasted the butter, unfortunately, but it might have earned some credibility with my peers, who took turns in the co nversation at lunch by talking about how, sometimes, they just loved to eat nothing but vegetables.I guess what I'm saying is, I would have felt worse letting the tea be wasted, even though I could have salvaged my pride and been able to say, "Goodie! I'm still vegan!" In that case, though, I was alone and nobody might have been watching to pass judgment on "veganism as a whole." I'm curious, however, what your response would have been, though.I'm still chalking it up as an "oops," and I'm still calling myself a vegan. To let a debatable error in appropriate action negate all the work I've done would be a travesty, and in my opinion, a bit "technical." It would be akin to telling a toddler that she cannot walk just because occasionally she takes a tumble. What good would that do?--KevinChemGeek wrote:> But it is a "slip" any way you want to paint it. & n bsp; We aren't talking > about a case where you ordered a bean burrito with no cheese only to > eat a few bites and go "oh my this has cheese" and walk away from the > meal. That is an "oopsie" or whatever you want to called it. You > knew there was milk in the tea and drank not one cup, but two cups. > You can attempt to rationalize it all you want but to blatantly drink > dairy is not a vegan faux pas it's simply being non-vegan.To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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