shoppin and kristina

December 2, 2004

you say poor westerners are suffering from globilization

and guess wot,..yer correct

so, how is going shopping going to alleviate that?

you call me sick?

ummm..ok..yer entitled to yer own opinion

and you know wot, i have been listening to you

and, from my point of few , i hear "well, i hate globilization, but i'm still going shopping becuase of all those poor folks who need a job"...

and, that misses the point

EVERYONE needs to have the ability to survive

this drive to consume only makes those at the top rich, while everyone else struggles fer a shrinkin bit o the pie

you see litter as a social issue..

you don't think there's a link to ever buy more and our disdain fer those around us, the environment, er anyone else?

wot is fast food if not retail?

back to you K.

cheers

fraggle lv2breathe Dec 2, 2004 9:40 AM Cc: Lv2breathe Re: Thanksgiving shopping

In a message dated 11/29/04 1:55:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, writes:

Fraggle

Please don't by the *white man's burden* crap about how this helps ppl by giving them jobs,.,....

You know...I've met people like you before...who have total disdain for Western, or "white" people. If you were one of those people in retail it would matter to you where you'd get your next meal. I wonder why some care so much for people far away (and yes, this is a good value) but care nothing for those next door. And by the way...many of those people in retail are "not white". Is it possible to have compassion for everyone? There are a lot of poor Westerners...poor whites who are suffering because of globalization. Do they not matter, too? I guess not, they are the wrong color. I think for you, probably not.

please remember that most of these "third world" nations had vibrant local economies at one time, and each was crushed repeatedly by outside influences and greed..colonialism, american banana boat and gun boat diplomacy, and nowadays by the WTO, IMF, and globalilization...

I totally agree with this. I am not a cheerleader for globalization at all. I have many deep concerns. I guess the main difference is I don't hate those who shop. I don' t think their actions are necessarily "bad" however...I do see that in this world there is a lot of ramifications to "globalization". I just see them caught up in this whole thing that they did not create. And I don't think shopping, in itself, is so horrible. Yes, many of the effects of globalization ARE horrible...and I wish it weren't so at all...but shopping in itself is not the evil...it's the greed that is the evil of those at the top who are benefitting from all of it.

and fer every piece of crap we buy from wally-mart that is oh so cheap, it means the loss of some union job here in all reality..as its cheaper to pay someone a pittance halfway around the world and dump yer waste there, then ship it across the globe, then it is to pay someone a livable wage here

I totally totally agree with you here. WalMart is depressing to me. I have been in there a couple of times I always felt bad. I HATE what they are doing. I voted for the California measure to insist on health care coverage for industries that employ more than 50 people. I was very sorry to see it lose...I can't imagine what others were thinking. I think it's sickening that WalMart's heirs have more money than Buffett or Gates COMBINED but they still can't seem to share enough to provide decents jobs or health care and want to stick it to the taxpayers. And I am totally for unions...I wish WalMart and Target and all those stores would unionize...it would be a great thing.

as fer litterwhere do you think litter comes from????

Most of the litter I have seen is fast food wrappers. And very often I have some some people throw litter when a trash can is 5 feet away. To me this shows a huge disrespect for those around them...and huge inconsideration. I wish for more consideration for everyone in society...not just in my neighborhood...but the world. Litter brings down the quality of life...and it's really negative and thoughtless. Shopping does not equal littering. Littering is caused by a lack of consideration....it's not a given that if one shops one litters. It has to do with the individual. They don't want to bother to use trash cans.

as fer retail.....pssst..got a litttle secret for you....its not sustainablewe've become a society of consumers...we eat eat eat..freaking termite people...we produce nuthin but wastewho cares if there are 5 billion jobs available at mcdeathburger and wal-mart..when they don't lead anywhere, they don't pay a livable wage, and give nothing to society...sorry i seem to have hit a nerve with you

Um, Fraggle...you should know by now that I am not for fast food or WalMart...if you've read my responses. I guess the only nerve you've hit with me is your...what is it called...exaggeration? Or selective compassion? I have met others like you who hate the West...who have no feeling for fellow Americans. I don't think it's a nice or caring attitude...and quite frankly I think it's kind of sick.

Kristina

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