Guest guest Posted November 27, 2004 Report Share Posted November 27, 2004 In a message dated 11/27/04 11:29:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, writes: saying that going out shopping creates jobs is akin to starting forest fires to keep smoke jumpers employed...maybe if we had a hurricane every day...think of all the employment then... Your comment makes all shopping bad...all the time. I don't think it's the worst thing in the world. Yes overconsumption on a personal and planetary level can be negative but there are much more negative things happening in the world right now. There are some positive benefits when people spend their money. I do agree about shopping at WallMart. Did anyone see the cover of Forbes the other day? It said that WalMarts heirs have more money than Bill Gates and Buffett COMBINED. That IS a DISGRACE since they can't let go enough of it to provide health insurance or a living wage. In this way shopping at Wall Mart is definitely not the thoughtful thing to do on a societal level. However, that little Indonesian girl you mentioned maybe very glad to be making what she is making and happy that we are buying products that come from her country. I was out doing the dreaded "shopping" on Thanksgiving. I was at a fabric store...and it was kind of fun! Christmas music was in the air and all the decorations were out. I enjoyed myself...even while not buying much. Shopping is not everything...but my oh my...the world would be a little bit more duller without it. There are not that many places that let you know that the holidays are indeed here. K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 I agree. I boycott a lot of things already...being concerned for animals and such...and I always wondered why others won't do it especially when it's easy. Yes, I think being a "conscientious consumer" is very, very good thing to be. Kristina In a message dated 11/29/04 1:55:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, writes: Message: 7 Sun, 28 Nov 2004 23:05:03 -0000 "Jo bb" <HeartworkRe: Re: Thanksgiving shoppingThese things might be more detrimental to 'society' but not to the environment. I certainly feel it is a good idea to boycott labels you know to use child labour, such as Gap and Nike. It doesn't realy hurt someone to avoid a certain company.Jo - lv2breathe Cc: Lv2breathe Sunday, November 28, 2004 9:44 PM Re: Thanksgiving shopping Speak for yourself, Fraggle. I personally don't 'get "sucked up". When I shop I do it because I want to not because someone "ordered" me or some societal aspects were "forcing" me to do it. And when you say something is VERY wrong with shopping picture telling that to all the people who make their living via the retail industry. Thousands if not millions of people benefit from this horrible pasttime of "shopping". And while some overseas manufacturing is indeed, slavery, much of it is not. I am totally against exploitation by the way...but many countries and individuals in those countries are benefitting in good ways because we "shop" not to mention the millions here at home who make their money via retail or supplying products. I personally do not fight with any shoppers and when I was the day after Thanksgiving everyone was well behaved and nice. And even though I enjoyed it...I certainly don't think it brings happiness...I think most people know this. They know that happiness comes from other things in life...not new items. I don't buy $150 dollar sneakers...and I don't know anyone personally who does. I agree, however, that there are finite resources and that it is good to live on only what we need...but I still won't make a blanket statement that all shopping is bad. I think there are bigger problems in this society than shopping. For instance that horrible fight that broke out at the NBA game. I see a constant lowering of society all the time. People are less and less considerate and thoughtful of others. They also can't control their anger and emotions. Also littering. I see so much littering. To me this is much more detrimental to society than shopping. Okay I've said my piece Kristina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 You are right, Vijay...globalization uses a ton of fuel. I am totally for more local based economies...totally. This fact has probably decreased my shopping...however it hasn't stopped me from buying silk sunflowers or non-leather shoes from Payless. I buy from Payless, by the way, because my income does not really allow me to buy other fancier vegan shoes. But I am very, very concerned about globalization and how it's effecting others. Kristina In a message dated 11/29/04 1:55:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, writes: Message: 8 Mon, 29 Nov 2004 01:00:14 -0000 rvijay07Subject: Re: Thanksgiving shopping , "Jo bb" <Heartwork@b...> wrote:> These things might be more detrimental to 'society' but not to the environment. It uses Fuel to make and ship goods. Also consider the packaging and what happens to it after purchase. Finally, in several instances the item itself contributes to clutter or is trashed.This is certainly not in all cases but to a very significant extent.Hence, effects on the environment are present and very evident.Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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