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Ian,

I assume you are a vegan or at least a vegetarian.

so the comment you made..

 

>>>>(Medical training is about diagnosis and treatment: itdoesn't necessarily mean someone can form and test a hypothesis, or critically read a scientific paper.)It's also suspicious that they published a book rather than a peer--reviewed paper.

...Should not reference a science or medicine that does not reflect vegan attitudes

I also asked you for a couple weeks to look up the info and references

I am a bit busy at the moment with home renovations (making my home more enviro friendly)

but I assure you for every disproof there is proof

it will all depend on the Science you believe

I choose not to believe that main stream medicine understands what is happening

they try to cure everything rather than prevent

that in itself is very troubling

as for publishing a book well I think I have covered that

if you would like to continue this debate I am all for it

if you would like to mud sling get a fan

all the best

Craig

Ian McDonald [ian]Tuesday, April 27, 2004 3:48 PM Subject: Re: Re: [100% veg*n ] Alzheimer's=CJD???> Craig Dearth wrote:> > Ian this message was posted prior to Catherine's comment> > CraigThanks.I don't think we should believe something just because it's on the blurbfor a book written by a medic and a journalist. I think I rememberliterary references to dementia before the 20th century, so I don'tbelievethat claim. (Medical training is about diagnosis and treatment: itdoesn'tnecessarily mean someone can form and test a hypothesis, or criticallyread a scientific paper.)It's also suspicious that they published a book rather than a peer--reviewed paper.The blurb doesn't speak to Craig's claim that "the onset of Dementia onalarge scale didn't start happening until after world war II".> > DYING FOR A HAMBURGER HOW MODERN MEAT-PACKING LED TO AN EPIDEMIC OF> ALZHEIMER'S DISEASE: "Dr. Murray Waldman, in collaboration with writer> Marjorie Lamb, sets out to show that Alzheimer's is, indeed, a deadly> modern plague. They present startling evidence that Alzheimer's is one> of a> family of diseases caused by a malformed protein - or prion - that> also> causes mad cow disease and its human variant, Cruetzfeld-Jakob disease> (CJD). Could Alzheimer's, like CJD, be caused by tainted beef? In this> compelling exposition, the authors come to a frightening conclusion> about> our seemingly insatiable hunger for hamburger.> > "Before about 1900 Alzheimer's disease did not exist, or if it did,> was so> rare as not to be noticed. But just over a hundred years ago,> Alzheimer's> disease was unknown, and most people did not know anyone who exhibited> the> symptoms of dementia that are now all too familiar to the families and> friends of victims. Alzheimer's disease (AD) now afflicts 15 million> people> around the world, including 250,000 Canadians and 4.5 million> Americans.> One in 10 persons over 65 and nearly half of those over 85 have the> disease. More significantly, the number of people with dementia is> expected to increase steadily over the next 25 years: in Canada,> 10,000 new> cases of AD are diagnosed each year - 27 cases per day."> > [Edited from the book summaries and the excerpt below:> http://www.mcclelland.com/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=0771087659> http://www.thebukowskiagency.com/DyingForAHamburger.htm>

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> Craig Dearth wrote:

>

> Ian,

> I assume you are a vegan or at least a vegetarian.

> so the comment you made..

>

 

I'm a vegan.

 

> >>>>(Medical training is about diagnosis and treatment: it

> doesn't necessarily mean someone can form and test a hypothesis, or

> critically read a scientific paper.)

> It's also suspicious that they published a book rather than a peer-

> -reviewed paper.

 

 

> ..Should not reference a science or medicine that does not reflect

> vegan attitudes

 

I'm also

 

> I also asked you for a couple weeks to look up the info and references

> I am a bit busy at the moment with home renovations (making my home

> more enviro friendly)

> but I assure you for every disproof there is proof

> it will all depend on the Science you believe

> I choose not to believe that main stream medicine understands what is

> happening

> they try to cure everything rather than prevent

> that in itself is very troubling

> as for publishing a book well I think I have covered that

> if you would like to continue this debate I am all for it

> if you would like to mud sling get a fan

> all the best

> Craig

>

> Ian McDonald [ian]

> Tuesday, April 27, 2004 3:48 PM

>

> Re: Re: [100% veg*n ] Alzheimer's=CJD???

>

> > Craig Dearth wrote:

> >

> > Ian this message was posted prior to Catherine's comment

> >

> > Craig

>

> Thanks.

>

> I don't think we should believe something just because it's on the

> blurb

> for a book written by a medic and a journalist. I think I remember

> literary references to dementia before the 20th century, so I don't

> believe

> that claim. (Medical training is about diagnosis and treatment: it

> doesn't

> necessarily mean someone can form and test a hypothesis, or critically

> read a scientific paper.)

>

> It's also suspicious that they published a book rather than a peer-

> -reviewed paper.

>

> The blurb doesn't speak to Craig's claim that " the onset of Dementia

> on

> a

> large scale didn't start happening until after world war II " .

>

> >

> > DYING FOR A HAMBURGER HOW MODERN MEAT-PACKING LED TO AN EPIDEMIC OF

> > ALZHEIMER'S DISEASE: " Dr. Murray Waldman, in collaboration with

> writer

> > Marjorie Lamb, sets out to show that Alzheimer's is, indeed, a

> deadly

> > modern plague. They present startling evidence that Alzheimer's is

> one

> > of a

> > family of diseases caused by a malformed protein - or prion - that

> > also

> > causes mad cow disease and its human variant, Cruetzfeld-Jakob

> disease

> > (CJD). Could Alzheimer's, like CJD, be caused by tainted beef? In

> this

> > compelling exposition, the authors come to a frightening conclusion

> > about

> > our seemingly insatiable hunger for hamburger.

> >

> > " Before about 1900 Alzheimer's disease did not exist, or if it did,

> > was so

> > rare as not to be noticed. But just over a hundred years ago,

> > Alzheimer's

> > disease was unknown, and most people did not know anyone who

> exhibited

> > the

> > symptoms of dementia that are now all too familiar to the families

> and

> > friends of victims. Alzheimer's disease (AD) now afflicts 15 million

> > people

> > around the world, including 250,000 Canadians and 4.5 million

> > Americans.

> > One in 10 persons over 65 and nearly half of those over 85 have the

> > disease. More significantly, the number of people with dementia is

> > expected to increase steadily over the next 25 years: in Canada,

> > 10,000 new

> > cases of AD are diagnosed each year - 27 cases per day. "

> >

> > [Edited from the book summaries and the excerpt below:

> > http://www.mcclelland.com/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=0771087659

> > http://www.thebukowskiagency.com/DyingForAHamburger.htm

> >

>

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> Craig Dearth wrote:

>

> Ian,

> I assume you are a vegan or at least a vegetarian.

> so the comment you made..

>

 

I'm a vegan.

 

> >>>>(Medical training is about diagnosis and treatment: it

> doesn't necessarily mean someone can form and test a hypothesis, or

> critically read a scientific paper.)

> It's also suspicious that they published a book rather than a peer-

> -reviewed paper.

 

> ..Should not reference a science or medicine that does not reflect

> vegan attitudes

 

Last time I checked, being a vegan meant not eating animal products

and - with the wider definition - avoiding any other animal products

as far as is practical. Craig thinks that you also have to avoid any

approach to solving a problem which " does not reflect vegan attitudes " .

 

This is a new one on me.

 

As it happens, I'm a scientist. There are quite a few vegan scientists

- Stephen Walsh* is probably the best known amongst vegans. I happen

to think that science amounts to a rigorous, open, tested, and testable

(because you can check someone's results by repeating their experiment).

 

(* In real life. Spock from Star Trek is probably better known overall

:) )

 

> I also asked you for a couple weeks to look up the info and references

 

Oh, right. I thought that the blurb was your answer to my question.

 

> but I assure you for every disproof there is proof

> it will all depend on the Science you believe

 

Science does not prove anything: scientists work my making up theories

which explain what happens, and then conducting experiments which might

disprove their theories to test them.

 

> I choose not to believe that main stream medicine understands what is

> happening

> they try to cure everything rather than prevent

> that in itself is very troubling

> as for publishing a book well I think I have covered that

> if you would like to continue this debate I am all for it

> if you would like to mud sling get a fan

 

You post stuff which, sadly, doesn't make much sense. (I don't hold this

against you. Goodness knows that I have days where I may no sense at

all.)

 

I point this out, point by point, a bit curtly perhaps but not making it

personal either.

 

And then you imply I'm mud slinging?

 

You claim I shouldn't be using science because it " does not reflect

vegan attitudes " ?

 

I'm not particularly interested in discussing this for the sake of it,

but I wouldn't want anyone to be taken in by you. So ... does anyone

think

the evidence thus far presented supports the hypothesis that Alzheimers

is a prion disease (apart from Craig)?

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