/ my two cents worth

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Dear Suzanne, Thank you for opening up an issue that pulls forward so many varied opinions from so many deep feelers & thinkers. Everyone is entitled to their own. Although i am ready for this issue to be laid to rest, i am going to add my two cents worth. Child abuse of any kind, in any form is the worst of all sins. An aborted life is not given a chance at all at life, but is also spared the pain that comes with living.The born child that is subjected to unspeakable horrors of pain, suffering & rejection would rather be dead. But if they survive, at least have a chance of a better tomorrow. Too many ignorant domineering men have brought unwanted, unloved children into this world. Because of women's lack of financial power, they are subjected to a life of consentual rape as they are told to "put out or get out!". DarinSuzyGates wrote:

My email I sent a day ago is below.....generally I get my emails I send to groups....within a few hours....this time it didn't come through....I'm sorry if the below email is a repeat by the time you get this one!! I did want to address Magick who may be off the list by now. Thank you! I like your spirit.....we are not always going to agree but we need to hear other people's opinions for all of us to have room to learn. It's not OK for you guys to attack me because I feel a certain way and am voicing my opinion. However I accept it in the sense that I don't internalize what I see some people flaming me. This group is called Vegan Chat....it's about all forms of Veganism....not just animals (And if the list "Mom or Dad" feels

differently, please contact my email personally, I will certainly respect the rules of this board).....yes I would be happy to discuss Military or War or whatever forms of murder and the moral and ethical obligations that go with it are. One other comment that I wanted to make....the fetus/baby comment. MY OPINION IS.....I am fine with somebody calling an unborn baby a fetus. However to me it's no different than calling a small cat a kitten...it's still a cat. Or a small dog a puppy...it's still a dog. A small baby can be called a fetus.....but I don't deny the fact that it's still a baby. In any case....like I said I am resending the letter below that I had written....and Majick....I hope you stay....if not....thank you for offering and adding your opinion and good luck to you!!Suzanne (My origional email that I didn't see come through is below)Catherine --I am a social worker and have been all my career. I deal with a VAST myriad of people....I go to people's homes and offer them services that the County offers. I have worked with lots and lots of teenagers as well as with women and whole family's. I have worked in this field in rural and urban areas. I have worked with people that are poor, rich, black, white and everything in between, and while I would never profess to know *everything*. I have worked with at this point EASILY thousands of people who I have been fortunate enough for them to share their lives with me and open their homes up for me to learn more about them. I can say with confidence....that the vast majority of people are not forced to have

sex. They choose too. And the vast majority of women who get pregnant because they negligently didn't protect themselves. Not because of how you are implying....they were raped. We are living in a "sexually free society" -- where "sex in the city" and "friends" and most other TV...shows woman (and Men), how cool it is to have casual sex without committment/responsibility. How "empowering" it is. I have clients who tell me that they are trying to get pregnant because they want somebody to love them unconditionally and because they think it will keep their boyfriend around. Or they simply say because they like the attention and because it "feels good". While I work with all types of people....I have a special heart for teenagers....and they share with me ALL THE TIME......that they have sex because they want to....and because their friends are doing it....and because "it's fun".....all sorts of reasons but very

rarely (and thank God for this!) is it because of Rape. I am not saying that there aren't real problems in this society with Rape and domineering men. (By the way there are domineering Woman too!) But I do think we need to help and address the real issues and help get problems at the core, than to go straight to the exceptions.....which would be that a woman got pregnant because she was forced to have sex AKA raped. I respect your opinion, and I don't think that my signature line is going to make major changes of opinion to people who are "pro-choice". I put it on some of my emails because like the rest of my signature lines, I want it to be thought provoking. I shared with you how my personal thought process had changed when I ended up taking an objective view of the issue. Somebody on this list said it very well (perfect in my opinion)...and forgive me for not giving credit since I don't know who

it was at this moment. SOMEBODY HAS TO SPEAK FOR THE UNBORN. Whether it be animal or human. Murder is Murder. Have a Nice Day,Suzanne Abortion....the worst form of Child Abuse!People often say that humans have always eaten animals as if this is a justification for continuing the practice. According to this logic, we should not try to prevent people from murdering other people, since this has also been done since the earliest of times.-- Isaac Bashevis SingerUntil we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages.-- Thomas JeffersonTo send an email to -