Bet You Can't Eat Just One! (WAS: Holistic Approach to Food Assessment (WAS: Chocolate, wine, coffee)

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Hi Caron,

 

Believe it or not, in the U.S. doctors do routinely recommend to their

patients, and to the general public, that a glass of wine each day is

relaxing and can therefore reduce one's risk of heart disease (and perhaps

other ailments). They recommend an aspirin a day to thin the blood and

prevent strokes and heart attacks. I'm not kidding! Glad to hear that the

Australian docs are still behind the curve ... may they remain there

forever!

 

I particularly appreciate your closing comment:

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That said, I can't say I'll never drink wine, or eat chocolate, ever again -

I may not, but in all likelihood I will, and I'll enjoy it at the time..but

I know enough, and I'm honest enough with myself, to know that I'll feel it

afterwards.

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When we are honest with ourselves, we are ALWAYS ahead of the curve, in my

opinion. And ... I encourage you to take note of Wyn's post earlier, and

mine in follow-up, about how we get knocked WAY off our program by eating

" just one " . There is a commercial here for Ruffles potato chips with the

slogan, " Bet you can't eat just one! " This slogan is correct!!! [subject

for that post: Succeeding with RF: Socializing with SAD-eaters...]

 

Best,

Elchanan

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rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Caron

Monday, September 24, 2007 7:15 AM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Holistic Approach to Food Assessment (WAS:

Chocolate, wine, coffee)

 

 

 

- Elchanan They aren't, Caron ... as you

well know. :)

 

I know ) But I know from a medical/science background. I was interested

to hear Erin's reasoning.

 

>>> We humans possess an immense capacity for self-exception ... " Well, it

works for me, " that sort of thing.

 

Yes, I've seen morbidly obese 30 year olds, after their 4th heart attack,

say " I did [insert destructive behaviour here], and I'm fine... " My

definition of " fine " isn't 4 heart attacks, but that's just me ;o) As far as

I can see, any symptom is a sign that something isn't right.

 

>>> There is a fundamental difference in underlying paradigms, necessary to

support such self-exception. As I've written on several occasions, one MUST

stand inside medical model thinking in order to conclude that these items

are healthful for us to eat. By this, I mean one must focus, in a very

fractional way, upon this or that nutrient. It is absolutely correct, after

all, to say that both wine and cacao contain certain nutrients that are

constructive for humans.

 

There was a study a while back, that everyone who drinks alcohol loves to

quote, that red wine contains a certain substance (anti-oxidants maybe? I

can't remember) that helps the heart. No doctor I've ever spoken with has

recommended drinking red wine, however, because it also destroys the liver

and brain, as well as impeding digestion, and so on. Even in " moderation " .

A naturopath did tell my mother to eat chocolate, not sure what benefit they

were going for there, but it's certainly done more harm than good, over the

years (and yes, that was in moderation too). Anything beneficial that can

be found in red wine, or chocolate, or whatever, can also be found in fruits

and/or veges. I see no point in eating something that's been processed, AND

has negative side effects, to get a single benefit, which I could get from

eating something in its natural state, and not have negative side effects,

but also a bunch of extra benefits. It's like taking pills to fix a

symptom, and having a dozen worse symptoms from the side effects of the

pills...which you then take more pills to fix, and so on.

 

>>> I have often suggested that people here need not rely upon what I, or

anyone else, says about such things. Rather, everyone here possesses the

capacity to determine such things through first-hand experience. Simply

refrain from consuming all forms of a given item for 60-90 days. Then eat

that item, alone, first food of the day. Try a small quantity first!!!

This can be done with garlic, onion, cacao, wine, virtually any item. But

do not test multiple items on the same day; let your palette and olfactory

sense rest at least 24 hours between tests (if you stop with several items

concurrently).

 

Yes, I've tried your little experiments ;oP The garlic was certainly

interesting! My first glass of wine after my son was born hit me over the

head like a sledge hammer too - birthday treat after not drinking during my

pregnancy (not that I was a big drinker before then - just special

occasions, a few times a year).

 

That said, I can't say I'll never drink wine, or eat chocolate, ever again -

I may not, but in all likelyhood I will, and I'll enjoy it at the time..but

I know enough, and I'm honest enough with myself, to know that I'll feel it

afterwards.

 

Caron