Holistic Approach to Food Assessment (WAS: Chocolate, wine, coffee)

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They aren't, Caron ... as you well know. :)

 

We humans possess an immense capacity for self-exception ... " Well, it works

for me, " that sort of thing.

 

Alcohol kills living cells. (Wine)

 

Theobromine is a toxic alkaloid. (Cacao)

 

Caffeine is an even stronger toxic alkaloid. (Coffee)

 

And there are other substance, I'm just giving a single example for each of

these 3 items. (I refrain from calling them " foods " , because I believe they

are not foods for our species.)

 

No amount of wishful thinking will change these things. Ignoring them,

however, fits the pattern of self-exception our species so well exhibits.

 

There is a fundamental difference in underlying paradigms, necessary to

support such self-exception. As I've written on several occasions, one MUST

stand inside medical model thinking in order to conclude that these items

are healthful for us to eat. By this, I mean one must focus, in a very

fractional way, upon this or that nutrient. It is absolutely correct, after

all, to say that both wine and cacao contain certain nutrients that are

constructive for humans.

 

But when we step into an holistic perception, observing the totality of the

effect of these items, then we can begin to see the more intricate web of

real cause-and-effect relationships. From such a vantage point, we may

readily observe that certain part of the chemistry ... the alcohol, the

tannins and other strong acids, the theobromine, and so forth instigate

multistage responses in our bodies that are enervating (depleting); all such

processes show up, eventually, in some form of accelerated and/or elevated

elimination.

 

I have often suggested that people here need not rely upon what I, or anyone

else, says about such things. Rather, everyone here possesses the capacity

to determine such things through first-hand experience. Simply refrain from

consuming all forms of a given item for 60-90 days. Then eat that item,

alone, first food of the day. Try a small quantity first!!! This can be done

with garlic, onion, cacao, wine, virtually any item. But do not test

multiple items on the same day; let your palette and olfactory sense rest at

least 24 hours between tests (if you stop with several items concurrently).

 

Best,

Elchanan

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rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Caron

Friday, September 21, 2007 3:43 AM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] chocolate, wine, coffee

 

 

I do eat leaves from trees. Some are actually very delicious. Maple are

great.......

 

-- Scott Don't under estimate the wisdom of nature. If man made it, don't

eat it. PoisoningANation.com

 

--- collage360 wrote:

 

Collage Blazin <collage360

Re: Wheat grass ... Bah, humbug Tue, 11 Sep 2007

07:57:33 -0700 (PDT)

 

 

Well, this answers the question as to why we don't eat the leaves off trees!

LOL

 

Thanks for the insight Elchanan.

 

Elchanan <Elchanan wrote: Tara,

 

Anything we MUST juice to consume is not food for our species. Wheat grass

is very caustic in the human digestive system, regardless of its form. Does

this create the illusion of cleansing? You bet!!! What's being cleansed?

The bloody juice!!!

 

Animals designed to digest grasses all have multiple stomachs ... that's

what it takes, in Nature's design, to accomplish the task. Since you have

only one stomach (and I realize I'm being a bit presumptuous, since we

haven't actually met), you are not so designed.

 

Best, Elchanan

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

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Elchanan

>They aren't, Caron ... as you well know. :)

 

I know ) But I know from a medical/science background. I was interested to

hear Erin's reasoning.

 

>We humans possess an immense capacity for self-exception ... " Well, it

>works

for me, " that sort of thing.

 

Yes, I've seen morbidly obese 30 year olds, after their 4th heart attack,

say " I did [insert destructive behaviour here], and I'm fine... " My

definition of " fine " isn't 4 heart attacks, but that's just me ;o) As far as

I can see, any symptom is a sign that something isn't right.

 

>There is a fundamental difference in underlying paradigms, necessary to

support such self-exception. As I've written on several occasions, one MUST

stand inside medical model thinking in order to conclude that these items

are healthful for us to eat. By this, I mean one must focus, in a very

fractional way, upon this or that nutrient. It is absolutely correct, after

all, to say that both wine and cacao contain certain nutrients that are

constructive for humans.

 

There was a study a while back, that everyone who drinks alcohol loves to

quote, that red wine contains a certain substance (anti-oxidants maybe? I

can't remember) that helps the heart. No doctor I've ever spoken with has

recommended drinking red wine, however, because it also destroys the liver

and brain, as well as impeding digestion, and so on. Even in " moderation " . A

naturopath did tell my mother to eat chocolate, not sure what benefit they

were going for there, but it's certainly done more harm than good, over the

years (and yes, that was in moderation too). Anything beneficial that can be

found in red wine, or chocolate, or whatever, can also be found in fruits

and/or veges. I see no point in eating something that's been processed, AND

has negative side effects, to get a single benefit, which I could get from

eating something in its natural state, and not have negative side effects,

but also a bunch of extra benefits. It's like taking pills to fix a symptom,

and having a dozen worse symptoms from the side effects of the pills...which

you then take more pills to fix, and so on.

 

 

>I have often suggested that people here need not rely upon what I, or

>anyone

else, says about such things. Rather, everyone here possesses the capacity

to determine such things through first-hand experience. Simply refrain from

consuming all forms of a given item for 60-90 days. Then eat that item,

alone, first food of the day. Try a small quantity first!!! This can be done

with garlic, onion, cacao, wine, virtually any item. But do not test

multiple items on the same day; let your palette and olfactory sense rest at

least 24 hours between tests (if you stop with several items concurrently).

 

Yes, I've tried your little experiments ;oP The garlic was certainly

interesting! My first glass of wine after my son was born hit me over the

head like a sledge hammer too - birthday treat after not drinking during my

pregnancy (not that I was a big drinker before then - just special

occasions, a few times a year).

 

That said, I can't say I'll never drink wine, or eat chocolate, ever again -

I may not, but in all likelyhood I will, and I'll enjoy it at the time..but

I know enough, and I'm honest enough with myself, to know that I'll feel it

afterwards.

 

Caron