Human Longevity; Killing and Our Potential for Spirituali Expansion ( WAS: Vores)

[Guest guest]

Hi Tom, and thanks for sharing this inquiry!!

 

I would not say you are doing anything " wrong " . In fact, I would say that

you and your family are doing many, many things " right " , and for

generations.

 

At the same time, human longevity " experts " (such as they may be) tend to

agree that humans " should " be able to live for 140, 150, 160 years, at the

very least. Since you make a biblical reference, I also offer that early

Biblical folks lived FAR longer than any of that (except for the killees, of

course.) So perhaps there lies considerable potential, upside, beyond even

the wonderful results you and yours have experienced.

 

From another perspective, I offer that this whole biblical notion that

everything is put here for our " use " , this idea of dominion, is open to much

interpretation. Does " use " include destruction, killing? In spite of many

biblical experiences to the contrary, does the principle of " Lo tirtzach " ,

" You no kill " (pleasantly translated as " Thou shalt not kill " ) apply only to

humans, only to humans who meet certain criteria? Or is it possible that the

real meaning our species was intended to receive extends far beyond, and

that we've taken this long to begin to " get it " . And if this is so, then is

there some upside that most of humanity has never experienced, never even

come close enough to contemplate?

 

Personally, I believe so. And I recognize that as my own belief, period.

 

I do hope you find these thoughts helpful, and again, thanks for sharing!

 

Best,

Elchanan

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tom [laura_gamblin11]

Saturday, September 15, 2007 8:05 AM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re: Vores (WAS: Eskimo Longevity and Meat Consumption

[brief])

 

 

I have been listening to the same retoric for a while and I thought I would

ask a question. I am a farmer and raise both crops and animals, which I and

my family both consume, does this mean that my life style dosen't conform to

your meaning of healty I am in my sixtys an my father live to be 99 and

grand father 106 and we are on the same land doing the same thing. I was

born at home as was dad and granddad, we work hard and rejoyce at the fruits

of our labors. Meat has been a staple of our diets as whell as fresh

vegatables and fruit, I am not over weight and I haven't been sick since I

was a child. Pleas let me know what if any thing I doing wrong. I know

that the good book says that all things were put on this earth for our use.

 

-- In rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote:

 

Perfect, Caron! What Joe does not seem to realize, or wish to realize, is

that bacon is filled with all kinds of smell and flavor enhancers,

substances that hyperexcite our senses. These, as a group, have been named

" excitotoxins " , and they are a primary cause of the perceived " attractions "

that most people experience and consider " normal " . There is NOTHING normal

about such attractions. And if you remove all the chemicals, what's left is

the smell of burning fat (in the case of bacon), not particularly appealing

at all to a CLEAN human palette and olfactory system.

 

Joe, from your writings in this group, and from my general experience

working with people on reestablishing their sensory awareness, it seems

plain as day to me that you (nor most others) have never experienced that

level of cleanness in the system, nor therefore that level of sensory

awareness and accuracy.

 

Caron, it seems equally plain to me that you are also walking in that

direction but probably not all the way there yet. The difference is that

you KNOW you don't yet know!!! For this, I admire and congratulate you!

 

This whole topic, reestablishing our sensory awareness, reconnecting with

ourselves in this way, is integral to what I regard as " transitioning " , and

honestly, I am aware of only one or two other teachers of ANY approach to

eating (with the exception of what is called " Instincto " ) who place such

emphasis upon this. But this shall not remain forever so!!!

 

We process high-water-content foods well; we require and process reasonably

well, but not AS well, a small amount of fats, most of which can healthfully

come from tender leafy greens. Everything else just sits in our digestive

system for too long: starches and sugars begin to ferment and proteins begin

to putrefy inside us. Neither of these conditions results in optimal,

high-performance living.

 

Best, Elchanan