Vores (WAS: Eskimo Longevity and Meat Consumption

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My father is American Indian

Our Eskimo and Aleut cousins are in the modern

age now

No one lives in Igloos or Teepees these days

unless they are some sort of survivalist freaks

and so long as planes fly fresh fruit and veggies

are available to Native people...

 

I came into this group trying to find help controlling

my Diabetes...

Now Diabetes is a REAL Native American issue

We Cherokees call it the curse...

Dolores Anne

 

 

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>All I say

> is, a small amount isn't going to hurt you if you do decide to have

> it,

 

According to Campbell's research in " The China Study " , even small

amounts of animal protein have detrimental effects on health. Small

amounts of cooked meat are acid forming in the body, as is all cooked

food. Small amounts of meat take long to digest and must travel a

great distance through the body, unlike the digestive tracts of

carnivores. Digesting meat is taxing to the body.

 

If eating meat is " natural " , then why is too much meat a bad thing?

And, where is that fine line of " too much " ? I don't doubt that the

body has the resiliency to bounce back from ill health if given the

proper diet and lifestyle. I just question our eating choices based

solely on health, because I am human and have the capability to

discern right and wrong on an abstract level (money laundering, lying,

stealing, etc.). It behooves us all to question the SANCTITY of life.

If we don't NEED to eat flesh, then we should question eating it.

 

>Arguments that only eating raw is

> " natural " do not fit well with evolutionary history, and so can not

> really be called " natural " by definition.

 

My opinion is that there was a time when cooking was not part of

history and that humans have evolved upon the fruits, plants, and

vegetables that were available in their natural environment, year round.

 

> As far as murder goes: there are many logical and philosophical

> problems with calling eating meat murder. If killing for food a

> " lower " animal is to be murder, what will we call it when a " lower "

> animal kills a human for food?

 

I meant to only question the use of the word " fanaticism " . Murder is

a word that is only appropriate within the human world. I've seen

those " Meat is Murder " bumper stickers. It is more accurate, IMO, to

say, " Meat is Killed " or " Meat is Killing " . Obviously, " murder "

creates a stronger emotional response, and perhaps helps to create

better consciousness among flesh eaters.

 

Of course, Jeffrey Daumer might have a different take on this! ;-)

 

Janet

 

 

 

rawfood , " Joe Postma " <joepostma wrote:

 

Hello S DD, I appreciate your insight.

 

 

Yah, this is getting blown way out of proportion. And yes, people

(including me) get way too sensitive on here.

 

RAW MEAT is NOT to be eaten. It should be cooked if you eat it at

all. Although, following the Eskimo discussion, perhaps someone with

insight into eating raw fish and blubber could post here and share it!

Would be interesting to hear about..but I don't think it is going to

happen. So no, raw only refers to fruit and veggies...not meat lol!

 

I don't think my posts have ever looked like tantrum's, and it was

Enchalan who began the subtle jabbing. Again, you need to properly

read my posts instead of focusing on the word " meat " . I never said

anywhere people should shove down huge quantities of meat...I don't

know why some of you people keep freaking out about that. All I say

is, a small amount isn't going to hurt you if you do decide to have

it, and I present historical, anatomical, and evolutionary evidence to

support that it is " natural " . Arguments that only eating raw is

" natural " do not fit well with evolutionary history, and so can not

really be called " natural " by definition.

 

There is plenty of evidence that shows we are supposed to eat a

predominantly RAW fruit and veggie diet, with an occasional serving of

meat. Will you please remember that I said " predominantly raw fruit

and veggie " , and not skew my words to say " all you should eat is loads

of meat " ? I would appreciate that. It would save a lot of bickering.

 

As far as murder goes: there are many logical and philosophical

problems with calling eating meat murder. If killing for food a

" lower " animal is to be murder, what will we call it when a " lower "

animal kills a human for food? Clearly, all rights being equal under

your definition, this should be called murder as well. But then what?

Do we imprison the lion that ate us, or do we let it go because it is

a " lower " animal and didn't know any better? But if we do that,

doesn't that contradict the idea that " lower " animals have such rights

as such that killing THEM for food is murder? Or do we try to

convince the lion that it should eat fruit and veggies because killing

another animal is murder? It makes no sense very quickly! And as

others and I have pointed out before, dying is a natural part of life,

and life consuming other life is what life is all about.

 

Have a good day Joe

rawfood , " Silver Devi Dasi " <silvervcc@> wrote:

 

greetings all, I haven't posted on this board in a really long time,

and please forgive me for that - life has taken over..

 

I have read all the posts in the abovementioned thread, and I'm a

little dismayed..firstly Joe, if you choose to eat meat, fine, go

right ahead.. no one here has a command on your conscience, and no

one here can tell you what you should or should not do.. you know

better than anyone else here what is and isn't good for you.. if you

believe eating meat is ok sometimes, well, no one here can say or do

anything about it, can they? so I don't understand why this argument

has gone on so long..

 

what flipped me was when you accused Elchanan of making personal

attacks on people - I don't see anywhere that he has done that, and I

don't believe he needs my help to defend him, but I can see a clear

cut case of the pot calling the kettle black when you resorted to

referring to him as a fanatic, and as some old man or old lady without

a life, telling others here how to get one, and how he doesn't have

his finger on nature's pulse..

 

the way I see it is like this - this board, and others like it, are

here for EVERYONE to present their ideas, experiences, and whatnot..

you can either choose to take what's being presented, or you can do

your own homework and design something that better suits you. this is

a rawfood board - somehow, I rather doubt that it also had raw meat as

part of its theme, but I could be wrong..I assumed when I joined this

board that it meant rawfoods as in fruits and vegetables in their

uncooked state. if I am incorrect in my assumption, someone please

correct me. but I don't think it's a place to have a tantrum because

you disagree with what someone else had to say, or because you feel

ganged up on..

 

you're going to think I am picking on you, but I want to interject one

more thing... if you believe meat isn't the result of murder, what

then, do you believe it is? since someone had to die to produce you

with that lovely bacon you're so fond of describing, or the wonderful

5 oz organic steak.. someone did indeed have their life taken from

them in order to provide those things to you, and everyone else who

chooses to consume it. I'm fairly certain if you could actually speak

to any of those animals whose lives were skanked, they'd all have the

same thing about it to say to you.. I don't want to die in order to

fill someone else's belly.

 

and don't you find it a little interesting how all these various

diseases come about from all the good meat people so willingly plough

down their gullets? I have yet to hear of anything like that occuring

in anyone who ate a plant based diet, though I'm open to being proved

that this has happened..anyway, that's all I wanted to say..

 

YS Silver DD