Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Hi Harsha, No, not the moderator, just a participant. My home group is called PathOfHealth. Please keep in mind that almost no RFs have actually helped anyone restore health. What they " know " is what they have heard and are repeating, for the most part. Elevated blood fat is the primary cause of most common blood sugar management challenges people face. The biochemistry and physiology underlying this statement are very strong, the mechanisms, now called " insulin resistance " , are well described in the scientific/technical literature. What appears on the Web and in casual texts, such as RF texts, is quite another matter. ALL of the largest/longest running studies on the relationship between diet/nutrition and health (e.g., China Study, Framingham Study) have arrived at essentially the same conclusion: that humans are designed to eat a plant-based diet high in carbohydrates and low in both proteins AND fats. Ornish, Esselstyn, McDougall etc., ALL basically advocate something resembling Doug Graham's 80/10/10 approach to diet. We are making 2 changes: 1. Adding raw. 2. Shifting our primary fuel source from starches to simple sugars (primarily glucose and fructose), which are our natural fuel. In other words, we are shifting from potatoes and grains to fruits. The only advocates of high-fat for health are the Atkins folks and many teachers in the RF world. A typical SAD eater consumes 35-40% of calories from fat. A typical RF consumes 50-80% of calories from fat. In the long run, there is simply no way this can be healthful. Why? Because, in addition to the direct problems caused by elevated serum fats (blood fat), most of the nutrients we require are either water-soluble or water-transportable. Whenever someone is eating too much fat, then by definition that person is also eating too little of an untold number of hydrophilic (water-friendly) nutrients. An exquisitely healthy human requires VERY little fat or protein, PROVIDED THE QUALITY OF THE FATS AND PROTEINS CONSUMED IS HIGH. Anyway, happy reading! Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Harsha Tuesday, August 21, 2007 4:02 PM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] UDO Oil Hi Elchanan, Thanks for taking the time to respond. I sense the truth of what you are saying especially regarding whole foods vs. fractional foods. There is a lot of material on omega 3 helping the heart and blood sugar etc. Many people are taking fish oil and flax oil these days. I will read what you have written in the archives. I know that some raw foodists feel that raw fat such as that in avocados and nuts has a much more positive effect on the body than processed fat. I have read about some Doctors on the web who believe that they can help diabetic patients by putting them on a low carb and high fat diet. Of course, there is also the low carb and low fat diet, etc. Will do more research on my own and will read carefully what you have written. Thanks again. Are you the moderator of the group? Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 This is very interesting. But what does RF stand for? I thought it would stand for Raw Food, but from what you say about RF's consuming 50-80% of calories from fat, I don't get it. I would have thought most RF's eat very little fat, because there is little fat in raw fruits and veggies (except for avocados, which are eaten infrequently for me at least). I have a question then: Is it a bad idea to put olive oil on a salad? I have been lately for the flavor - and I just realized I never used to, so I don't know what caused me to start. And then what about avocado with salad - does this block absorption of nutrients as well? What about the alkalizing factor of avocado? I thought it was highly alkaline and good for you? Some vitamins are fat soluble. Would we get enough fat in our diet from pure fruits and veggies to allow absorption of fat soluble vitamins? Thanks, Joe rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote: > > Hi Harsha, > > No, not the moderator, just a participant. My home group is called > PathOfHealth. > > Please keep in mind that almost no RFs have actually helped anyone restore > health. What they " know " is what they have heard and are repeating, for the > most part. > > Elevated blood fat is the primary cause of most common blood sugar > management challenges people face. The biochemistry and physiology > underlying this statement are very strong, the mechanisms, now called > " insulin resistance " , are well described in the scientific/technical > literature. What appears on the Web and in casual texts, such as RF texts, > is quite another matter. > > ALL of the largest/longest running studies on the relationship between > diet/nutrition and health (e.g., China Study, Framingham Study) have arrived > at essentially the same conclusion: that humans are designed to eat a > plant-based diet high in carbohydrates and low in both proteins AND fats. > Ornish, Esselstyn, McDougall etc., ALL basically advocate something > resembling Doug Graham's 80/10/10 approach to diet. We are making 2 changes: > > > 1. Adding raw. > 2. Shifting our primary fuel source from starches to simple sugars > (primarily glucose and fructose), which are our natural fuel. In other > words, we are shifting from potatoes and grains to fruits. > > The only advocates of high-fat for health are the Atkins folks and many > teachers in the RF world. A typical SAD eater consumes 35-40% of calories > from fat. A typical RF consumes 50-80% of calories from fat. In the long > run, there is simply no way this can be healthful. > > Why? Because, in addition to the direct problems caused by elevated serum > fats (blood fat), most of the nutrients we require are either water-soluble > or water-transportable. Whenever someone is eating too much fat, then by > definition that person is also eating too little of an untold number of > hydrophilic (water-friendly) nutrients. > > An exquisitely healthy human requires VERY little fat or protein, PROVIDED > THE QUALITY OF THE FATS AND PROTEINS CONSUMED IS HIGH. > > Anyway, happy reading! > > Best, > Elchanan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Nuts, seeds, oils, and avocados are high fat foods that should be consumed in moderation or not consumed at all (such as oils). Most RFers consume a lot of theses high fat foods in the form of recipes or salad toppings. High fat foods are also higher in calories than low fat foods such as fruits and veggies. Eating a few servings a day of nuts, seeds, oils, etc will raise your percentage of fat in your diet to the point that your calories from fat overwhelm your calories from carbs and protein. I keep my diet simple, eating lots of fresh fruit and a large salad every day. I will have avocado and nuts or seeds on occasion. I use them moderately, maybe by sprinkling 1oz of raw walnuts on a salad in the evening or by adding part of an avocado to my salad. I try not to have more than one serving of a high fat food each day. I find that I feel better when I keep my fat ratio down to about 10% of my total calories per day. To analyze your own percentage, sign up for a free www.nutridiary.com account and plug in what you eat each day for 2-3 days. It makes it easier to understand what's going on in our bodies when we can see what we are putting into it. ~Sarah Joe Postma <joepostma wrote: This is very interesting. But what does RF stand for? I thought it would stand for Raw Food, but from what you say about RF's consuming 50-80% of calories from fat, I don't get it. I would have thought most RF's eat very little fat, because there is little fat in raw fruits and veggies (except for avocados, which are eaten infrequently for me at least). I have a question then: Is it a bad idea to put olive oil on a salad? I have been lately for the flavor - and I just realized I never used to, so I don't know what caused me to start. And then what about avocado with salad - does this block absorption of nutrients as well? What about the alkalizing factor of avocado? I thought it was highly alkaline and good for you? Some vitamins are fat soluble. Would we get enough fat in our diet from pure fruits and veggies to allow absorption of fat soluble vitamins? Thanks, Joe rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote: > > Hi Harsha, > > No, not the moderator, just a participant. My home group is called > PathOfHealth. > > Please keep in mind that almost no RFs have actually helped anyone restore > health. What they " know " is what they have heard and are repeating, for the > most part. > > Elevated blood fat is the primary cause of most common blood sugar > management challenges people face. The biochemistry and physiology > underlying this statement are very strong, the mechanisms, now called > " insulin resistance " , are well described in the scientific/technical > literature. What appears on the Web and in casual texts, such as RF texts, > is quite another matter. > > ALL of the largest/longest running studies on the relationship between > diet/nutrition and health (e.g., China Study, Framingham Study) have arrived > at essentially the same conclusion: that humans are designed to eat a > plant-based diet high in carbohydrates and low in both proteins AND fats. > Ornish, Esselstyn, McDougall etc., ALL basically advocate something > resembling Doug Graham's 80/10/10 approach to diet. We are making 2 changes: > > > 1. Adding raw. > 2. Shifting our primary fuel source from starches to simple sugars > (primarily glucose and fructose), which are our natural fuel. In other > words, we are shifting from potatoes and grains to fruits. > > The only advocates of high-fat for health are the Atkins folks and many > teachers in the RF world. A typical SAD eater consumes 35-40% of calories > from fat. A typical RF consumes 50-80% of calories from fat. In the long > run, there is simply no way this can be healthful. > > Why? Because, in addition to the direct problems caused by elevated serum > fats (blood fat), most of the nutrients we require are either water-soluble > or water-transportable. Whenever someone is eating too much fat, then by > definition that person is also eating too little of an untold number of > hydrophilic (water-friendly) nutrients. > > An exquisitely healthy human requires VERY little fat or protein, PROVIDED > THE QUALITY OF THE FATS AND PROTEINS CONSUMED IS HIGH. > > Anyway, happy reading! > > Best, > Elchanan Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos new Car Finder tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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