Menses in the Context of Cleansing: Additional Thoughts: Distinguishing the

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rawfood , " Belinda " <MistyBlueTN wrote:

>

> Of course I focus on symptoms. Symptoms is all we have to go on to

> determne if our body is having problems or not.

>

> It seems to me that the 8-1-1ers seem to believe that as long as they

> are sticking to this diet then nothing can possibley be going wrong

> in their body. No matter what sign or symptom that they have, it's

> ok because they are eating the way they believe they should.

>

> For instance, if an 8-1-1er has a cold with no cold symptoms (do you

> really have a cold if you don't have symptoms?) they are considered

> so healthy that they don't show signs of it.

>

> But if a SAD person has a cold with no symptoms, they are to sick to

> have symptoms.

>

> If an athelete on a healthy variation of a SAD diet looses symptoms

> of her period(bleeding), she is not healthy.

>

> But if a 8-1-1er looses symptoms of her period she is in optiminal

> health. After all she must be. She is eating the perfect diet.

>

> If the 8-1-1ers ignore all symptoms or disregard symptoms or don't

> have symptoms, they are still healthy?

>

> There are tons of diseases out there that have no symptoms, until the

> disease is in a very late stage. And there are some diseases that

> never have symptoms.(some STD's come to mind)

>

> And I am STILL trying to grasp the notion that mentrual bleeding is a

> sign of toxicity.

>

> The uterus walls thicken with blood and tissue to get ready for a

> baby. When that doesn't, happen, the body sheds all of that because

> it isn't needed. What is so toxic about that?

> Other than maybe the extra blood and tissue would become toxic if it

> was not shedded.

>

> Belinda

Hi Belinda,

well I for one don't believe it.

I don't believe urinating/defecating are signs of toxicity but are

natural bodily functions that take that as an opportunity to expel

some toxins along with it.

Just as for sweating-a normal healthy person will sweat when

overheated and along with that toxins might be realeased

I think that when someone is sick these nmormal functions can be used

as opportunities to rid the body of toxins.

As in a period will be heavy

sometimes even natural abortions will expel a fetus that the body

cannot handle

Urine can be of differying quality & quantity.

The body is communicating via these processes.

I enjoy my period believe itor not

I won't go into the details but for the most part it is a monthly

report to me about how well the body is doing.

I'm 46 andstill waiting for these so called symptoms of menopause and

I don't have them-and to me no news is good news I don;t thinkit means

that I am unhealthy because I don't have them.

Em

[Guest guest]

I've read similar studies (your first statement), but don't recall by

what criteria the athletes were considered unhealthy. Perhaps these

athletes were eating cooked food. What needs to be studied are raw

vegan athletes, and ones following various raw vegan diets. This

data, in large, does not exist.

 

Cooked athletes systems are, like anyone's system, as good as the

weakest link in their health. If they are eating grains, then

regardless of the fat percentage, the grains are creating an acid

environment.

 

Janet

 

rawfood , Kerri Myers <twinkles457 wrote:

 

Cessation of menstrual periods in athletes tends to stop at or below

18%. I have never heard of it being healthy- at all- for a woman to

have a body fat percentage below 16. I studied up on a lot of elite

rowers in the world, and the body fat percentages for the most elite

were still very close to 18. I'd like to see where you've heard a

woman can have a body fat percentage below 10.

 

Men who engage in elite weightlifting will often have a body fat

percentage between 7 and 10.

 

 

--- Elchanan <Elchanan wrote:

 

Because, Belinda, a healthy woman's body fat % is in the low teens.

In contrast, these female athletes' tend to have a body fat % well

below 10.

You are focused on the symptom, the bleeding. I am suggesting that

you begin to distinguish different causes that happen to produce, on

the surface, a symptom that SEEMS " the same " . The dynamics involved

are altogether different. I've shared other examples in this group,

such as white blood cell count, where the very healthy and the very

sick display certain similar symptoms, on the surface.

 

Elchanan _____ rawfood

[rawfood ] On Behalf Of Belinda Thursday,

July 19, 2007 1:14 PM rawfood [Raw Food]

Re: Menses in the Context of Cleansing: Additional Thoughts (WAS:

Monthly Hemorrhage...)

 

 

But in the case of these so called, healthy women that have cessation

of bleeding during menstrual cycles (in particularly the 80-10-10ers

or something similar) how do you know that they too are experiancing

the cessation of bleeding during menstrual cycles is due to low body

fat or some other reason that is not healthy.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Belinda,

 

I believe had I been eating 811 all along, then I could have avoided

many problems, but not all of them since there is much more to good

health besides food. I have learned that there are problems which can

take long to resolve (metals, salts), and if I fast, I expect there to

be symptoms, even if it's just needing to rest. Healing and good

health are part of a process and self-discovery.

 

The essential nutrients we need are oxygen, air, and water.

Nutritional science does not attribute oxygen as a nutrient, but we

will die in a matter of minutes without it. Death is a symptom of no

oxygen. Food nutrients we need are water, glucose, and alkalinizing

minerals. Non-food nutrients include physical activity and sunshine,

but there are many more and Doug Graham lists 32 (I think) facets to

optimal health. For instance, subconscious beliefs remember

everything and runs automatically. If our conscious beliefs are not

inline with our subconscious beliefs (knowledge about nutrition vs.

eating habits), then the subconscious programming almost always wins.

There are ways to align the two and Elchanan is able to help people

with this.

 

Also, it is important to remember that happiness is a symptom of good

health. Symptoms are both positive and negative.

 

Janet

 

 

 

rawfood , " Belinda " <MistyBlueTN wrote:

 

 

Of course I focus on symptoms. Symptoms is all we have to go on to

determne if our body is having problems or not.

 

It seems to me that the 8-1-1ers seem to believe that as long as they

are sticking to this diet then nothing can possibley be going wrong in

their body. No matter what sign or symptom that they have, it's ok

because they are eating the way they believe they should.

 

For instance, if an 8-1-1er has a cold with no cold symptoms (do you

really have a cold if you don't have symptoms?) they are considered so

healthy that they don't show signs of it.

 

But if a SAD person has a cold with no symptoms, they are to sick to

have symptoms.

 

If an athelete on a healthy variation of a SAD diet looses symptoms of

her period(bleeding), she is not healthy.

 

But if a 8-1-1er looses symptoms of her period she is in optiminal

health. After all she must be. She is eating the perfect diet.

 

If the 8-1-1ers ignore all symptoms or disregard symptoms or don't

have symptoms, they are still healthy?

 

There are tons of diseases out there that have no symptoms, until the

disease is in a very late stage. And there are some diseases that

never have symptoms.(some STD's come to mind)

 

And I am STILL trying to grasp the notion that mentrual bleeding is a

sign of toxicity.

 

The uterus walls thicken with blood and tissue to get ready for a

baby. When that doesn't, happen, the body sheds all of that because

it isn't needed. What is so toxic about that?

Other than maybe the extra blood and tissue would become toxic if it

was not shedded.

 

Belinda Because, Belinda, a healthy woman's body fat % is in the low

teens.

In contrast, these female athletes' tend to have a body fat % well

below 10.

You are focused on the symptom, the bleeding. I am suggesting that

you begin to distinguish different causes that happen to produce, on

the surface, a symptom that SEEMS " the same " . The dynamics involved

are altogether different. I've shared other examples in this group,

such as white blood cell count, where the very healthy and the very

sick display certain similar symptoms, on the surface.

 

Elchanan _____ rawfood

[rawfood ] On Behalf Of Belinda Thursday,

July 19, 2007 1:14 PM rawfood [Raw Food]

Re: Menses in the Context of Cleansing:

Additional Thoughts (WAS: Monthly Hemorrhage...)

 

 

But in the case of these so called, healthy women that have cessation

of bleeding during menstrual cycles (in particularly the 80-10-

10ers or something similar) how do you know that they too are

experiancing the cessation of bleeding during menstrual cycles is due

to low body fat or some other reason that is not healthy.