Comprehending the Duality of Certain Symptoms (WAS: Menses in the Context of Physiological Cleansing)

[Guest guest]

Hi Caron, Thanks for these great questions. I'll respond briefly here to #1

and #3 and ask you to clarify #2, if you wish, before I respond.

 

#1: I've mentioned in a few other posts that certain symptoms of excellent

health are also symptoms of terrible health, but for different reasons. For

example, a very healthy man or woman might have a white blood cell count in

the neighborhood of 200-2500; the medical world considers this a potential

sign of AIDS and other frightening diagnoses that they sell. They believe

that a " normal " white blood cell count is in the range 5000-10,000.

 

Let's explore what's behind this example, then apply that thinking to your

question #1, below.

 

In a very healthy person, vitality is high, and the body cleanses itself

with great efficiency and ease. Foreign matter is swept out quickly and

safely, and therefore there is little need for a large standing army of

white blood cells. In contrast, in a very sick person, vitality is so low

that the body literally CANNOT cleanse itself of many substances. In this

instance, naturally, we observe no symptoms of cleansing, because cleansing

is not happening. So from a certain perspective, we see how the same symptom

can have two diametrically opposite meanings, in different circumstances.

 

Now let's apply this thinking to your question. In a very healthy woman,

vitality is high. Her body cleanses itself with great efficiency and ease,

and foreign matter is swept out quickly and safely THROUGH THE BIOLOGICALLY

NORMAL PRIMARY CHANNELS FOR METABOLIC ELIMINATION, which are the kidneys and

the lungs. (Digestive elimination is contained in and largely confined to

the digestive tube only.) In contrast, in a very sick woman, vitality can

become so low that her body literally CANNOT cleanse itself of many

substances; there is simply not enough energy available to bring overload

avenues of elimination online. In this instance, periods diminish or even

vanish. Once again, we see that the same symptom can have two diametrically

opposite meanings.

 

And beneath this explanation lies some of the bedrock upon which our science

rests: Nature uses and reuses the same general patterns, the same general

solutions, throughout the set of existence we call " life " . The people who

write about how we are all different (e.g., the discussion about Ayurveda

during the past couple of days) are missing this most fundamental construct

about how Nature works. We are all one species, we all function in the same

general AND specific ways. Whenever we change the environmental signals (our

experiences), we produce different details, and in this way we all achieve

unique expression WHILE REMAINING THE SAME. If this were not true, then NO

systematic approach to any health issue would be conceivable at all, much

less implementable.

 

#3: Again, there can be different causes underlying what you describe here.

But before going on, I wish to correct a core misconception your language

suggests. You use " a lack of periods after childbirth " . With respect to

vaginal/menstrual bleeding, there should be NO periods ever. That is health,

that is the natural condition of a very healthy woman. And this awareness

frames and informs the remainder of my response here.

 

A woman expends considerable resources carrying and birthing a child.

Following childbirth, the " correct " way for the rest of us to treat a new

mother is with gentleness and support, that she may rest, otherwise care for

herself, bond with and feed her new baby, and free herself from much else.

And in general, we do not do this ... not even close. So most mothers of

newborns are exhausted, 24x7, even beyond their own awareness of their own

exhaustion. Borrowing from our thinking above, It is not at all surprising

that some such women's bodies simply lack the energy to create overflow

avenues of cleansing; in such women, no period would occur for awhile. When

the child begins to wean, the demand on the mother's system begins to drop,

dramatically in fact, and sufficient energy may be freed up so that overflow

cleansing is resumed.

 

Hope this all makes sense!

 

Best,

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Caron

Saturday, July 07, 2007 3:34 AM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] XPOST: [PathOfHealth #3465] Menses in the Context of

Physiological Cleansing

 

 

Elchanan

>Would you be willing to just highlight a question or two?

 

ok, less words, hehe:

 

1. If lack of monthly bleeding is a sign of optimum health, why is it also a

sign of poor health, or things that need elimination, if that is the cause

or reason for the bleeding?

 

2. Does the lack of monthly bleeding also carry over to postnatal bleeding -

usually around 6 weeks worth?

 

3. A lot of women experience a lack of periods after childbirth, while

exclusively breastfeeding their child. Periods often return after the child

starts on solid foods, or if the child is fed on a schedule, rather than on

a needs basis. If menstruation is a method of elimination, why would the

body stop this at a time when it would be best to have any toxins out of the

body and away from the baby?

 

Caron

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

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Elchanan

>Now let's apply this thinking to your question. In a very healthy woman,

vitality is high. Her body cleanses itself with great efficiency and ease,

and foreign matter is swept out quickly and safely THROUGH THE BIOLOGICALLY

NORMAL PRIMARY CHANNELS FOR METABOLIC ELIMINATION, which are the kidneys and

the lungs. (Digestive elimination is contained in and largely confined to

the digestive tube only.) In contrast, in a very sick woman, vitality can

become so low that her body literally CANNOT cleanse itself of many

substances; there is simply not enough energy available to bring overload

avenues of elimination online. In this instance, periods diminish or even

vanish. Once again, we see that the same symptom can have two diametrically

opposite meanings.

 

Ok, I see your point here - one can't cleanse, the other doesn't need to,

yes? I'm still a bit unsure of how it all relates to hormone levels and so

on, and why women stop menstruating once they hit menopause, and stop

ovulating as well. For a non-causual event, it seems to be very closely

correlated (if I've used my words the right way round?).

 

>And beneath this explanation lies some of the bedrock upon which our

>science

rests: Nature uses and reuses the same general patterns, the same general

solutions, throughout the set of existence we call " life " . The people who

write about how we are all different (e.g., the discussion about Ayurveda

during the past couple of days) are missing this most fundamental construct

about how Nature works. We are all one species, we all function in the same

general AND specific ways. Whenever we change the environmental signals (our

experiences), we produce different details, and in this way we all achieve

unique expression WHILE REMAINING THE SAME. If this were not true, then NO

systematic approach to any health issue would be conceivable at all, much

less implementable.

 

I looked into the ayuverda classifications the other day, when this was

being discussed, and found myself defying classification, because I exhibit

ALL the symptoms used to classify, if not all on the same day, then at least

within the same month. Dry skin, oily skin, types of congestion, all are

symptoms as far as I can see, and ALL suggest that something is " wrong " ,

that health isn't optimal. In my opinion ANY aspect of human function that

doesn't mesh perfectly with human anatomy and physiology, means there's

something wrong with that human's health. (I'm still trying to get my head

around the relationship between menstrual bleeding, ovulation, and

hormones.)

 

>#3: Again, there can be different causes underlying what you describe here.

But before going on, I wish to correct a core misconception your language

suggests. You use " a lack of periods after childbirth " . With respect to

vaginal/menstrual bleeding, there should be NO periods ever. That is health,

that is the natural condition of a very healthy woman. And this awareness

frames and informs the remainder of my response here.

 

Basically, what I meant was the hormonal levels that occur during

breastfeeding, that suspend ovulation, and also, at the same time, the

suspension of menstrual bleeding - again, both happen at the same time. It

is true that one can ovulate without the bleeding, as women often find out

when they discover they're pregnant with their second child shortly after

the first one is born. I'm trying to understand the why, of why it all seems

to tie together.

 

>A woman expends considerable resources carrying and birthing a child.

Following childbirth, the " correct " way for the rest of us to treat a new

mother is with gentleness and support, that she may rest, otherwise care for

herself, bond with and feed her new baby, and free herself from much else.

And in general, we do not do this ... not even close. So most mothers of

newborns are exhausted, 24x7, even beyond their own awareness of their own

exhaustion. Borrowing from our thinking above, It is not at all surprising

that some such women's bodies simply lack the energy to create overflow

avenues of cleansing; in such women, no period would occur for awhile. When

the child begins to wean, the demand on the mother's system begins to drop,

dramatically in fact, and sufficient energy may be freed up so that overflow

cleansing is resumed.

 

A lot of mothers I've met since my son was born (online, not in person -

most of the mothers I know in person were back at work before their child

was 6 months old), take a " babymoon " after their child is born, where, in

theory, they spend the first 4-6 weeks just focussing on their child, and

resting. My " babymoon " was spent in court, and hiding at my mother's trying

to protect us from the ex. You're right about the complete exhaustion, then

and since ;o)

 

As for question #2, I was refering to the period of bleeding following

birth. We're told that this usually lasts around 6 weeks, less after a

caesarean, because they " clean " the uterus out during the surgical removal

of the neoante (they scrape the lining out, and suction the fluids);

incidentally, this is why a lot of women choose a caesarean, so they can get

back to their life as soon as possible. Anyway, we're told that the reason

for this bleeding is firstly to " expell the afterbirth " , even though that

happens when the placenta is birthed, usually half an hour to an hour after

the baby. Another reason is that the body produces extra blood volume during

pregnancy to nourish the foetus, and needs to get rid of the extra blood, so

mum's blood pressure doesn't go through the roof. Both these reasons seem a

little hokey to me, there must be another reason that does make sense, but

it happens in all women post-birth.

 

I was wondering if it also happens with those women who have stopped

bleeding monthly due to eating a raw diet and being optimally healthy - do

they bleed post-partum, or does that stop too?

 

Thanks again for your answers )

 

Caron