getting enough protein isn't the issue... What about whey?

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Bravo virgo.vegan.

 

I also, avoid pre-packaged foods, and I also avoid wheat and soy and corn

because in the US you never know when you are eating a genetically modified food

product. Recently, my natrualpath recommended the consumption of a high quality

organic whey product for protein. We recently purchased a whey product from New

Zealand, but we are otherwise, mostly vegan.

 

What's your opinion about eating whey from a high quality organic source?

 

If I need 20 grams of protein five times a day, can I achieve that with brown

rice and beans or other foods?

 

 

 

 

 

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virgo.vegan <virgo.vegan

 

Friday, August 21, 2009 11:24:19 AM

Re: Re: getting enough protein isn't the issue

 

 

If you are retaining weight, it could be that your body has slowed

its metablosim for fear it does not know when or where the next

calories will come from. It sounds counterintuitive, but you have to

eat to loose weight. So sorry you are having these problems. I used

to have severe health problems too - I tried a raw vegan diet for a

few months and it helped. Now i et no refined or packaged products,

about 75% raw fruit and veggies and the other cooked foods are beans

or potatoes.

 

~ Susan

 

On Aug 21, 2009, at 1:31 PM, Jae Jones wrote:

 

> I actually struggle to get that many calories and really try hard

> to get

> more. I'm not deliberately trying to eat very little, I just

> physically

> can't handle a lot of food. Oddly I weigh more than the little

> charts at the

> doctors says I should and even though a lot of my levels are low my

> PCP

> thinks I'm eating too much! Can you believe that???

>

> I have chronic pancreatitis, I get gastritis frequently, I'm always

> nauseated, and experiance a great deal of pain after eating. I'm

> far from

> healthy but in comparison with relatives I'm the healthiest! Scary,

> I know!

> If I ate meat, dairy, etc I'd be completely unable to function at

> all! When

> I first got sick I was on a liquid diet and for about 2 or so years

> I was

> only getting about 200 calories a day into me and that was a

> struggle! I am

> pretty weak and I don't have a lot of energy. Everything is a

> struggle! I

> have been studying and trying all holistic modalities for years now

> and I

> have seen some improvement. I doubt I will ever get to a point

> where I'm

> truly healthy, but any improvement is better than none!

>

> Typically, I'll have 4 oz hemp milk in the morning (breakfast),

> then I drink

> water all day, around 2pm I have my 1 meal a day which if I don't

> feel up to

> cooking I make an Amy's meal in the microwave (about 1/3 of goes to my

> chihuahua because she has to share plus I can't finish it all!)

> Sometimes

> I'll have a salad and if I feel I can handle the protein I'll put

> nuts or

> tofu on it. Sometimes I'll saute up a bunch of veggies make a nice

> melady

> and that feeds me for a week! Same when I make a pizza, it's for

> the week!

> Then in the evening I'll have some juice or hemp milk if I'm up to

> it, but

> usually I live on water. I have been trying that fruitsense vitamin

> water

> which is ok. I figure it's better than plain water and gives me a

> few more

> calories a day. I'll only have 8 oz of that because I don't want to

> load up

> on sugar. Today I'm having left over mashed potatoes with

> carmalized onions

> and mushrooms, or at least that's the plan. Still feeling quite ill

> so it

> may end up being a just water day! I have a lot of those, so even less

> calories! But I eat too much because I'm over weight!

> I am mostly skin and bones! The weight is all in my abdomen. You'd

> think

> someone who went to med school would have a clue, but then there's

> no profit

> to be had from dietary knowledge, unless they can prescribe diet

> pills. I

> just say say to the doctor it must be all the water I drink. Water

> is very

> fattening you know! lol

>

>

> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:37 AM, mizfrog1938 <MizFrog (AT) comcast (DOT) net>

> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Vegan-and-Gluten- Free@ .com<Vegan-and-Gluten- Free

> %40. com>,

> > Jae Jones <recyclednew@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> >

> > > I eat healthy (as healthy as I can...about 600 calories a day),

> >

> > Wow! What is the purpose in eating so few calories? How can that be

> > healthy? Seems like a diet that low in calories would be severely

> lacking in

> > nutrients.

> >

> > You must be skin and bones. What do you eat? Can you post a day's

> (or few

> > day's) menus? Do you weigh and measure everything to be sure you

> don't

> > exceed that many calories? How long have you been limiting your

> calories so

> > severely?

> >

> > If I ate no more than that, I think I'd be so weak I couldn't

> walk or do

> > much of anything else. Energy comes from the foods we eat. I

> would be

> > nervous and shaky, I'm sure.

> >

> > Sorry for all the questions, but I just find this amazing.

> >

> > Sandy

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dan,

 

Since you asked, I think whey, no matter the source, is still an

animal protein and unnecessary for human consumption. Most people

worry way too much about protein and not enough about other vital

nutrients (vitamins and minerals). All plant foods contain protein.

The way that your body is able to use protein is through amino acids

- so really protein doesn't even matter - it is the amino acids you

want to look for. I can't imagine why in the world you would need

100 grams of protein? If you are a body builder, there are plenty of

vegan body builders and even raw vegan athletes out there who can

help direct you for better foods for those sort of purposes. Even

the FDA recommends 65 grams of protein if you eat 2000 calories a day

(which again, I believe is highly inflated.)

 

I have been studying nutrition for 20 years now - as more of a hobby

- I try to go to sources that are not funded by pharma or food

industry (which is hard to come by). Many sources agree that we need

a mere 10% of our daily caloric intake to come from protein. So if

you eat 2000 calories a day, then that would be 200 calories of

protein, or about 50 grams (4 calories per gram of protein) - or

about half f what you are trying to get.

 

If you are still set on getting your 20 grams of protein, 5 times per

day - you can do that without whey. Try these for a few:

Spirulina - available at natural food stores and online in powder

form - great added to smoothies - there are 4 grams of protein per 1

tbsp of powder. I don't believe any other food comes close to that

kind of protein concentrate

Hemp nuts - in a single serving - 10 grams of Protein, 2, 000 mg of

Omega-3, 7000 mg of Omega-6, 1, 750 mg of Omega-9

 

Beans are an okay source for protein and can help you meet your 100g

per day, but that is a lot of beans to eat Adzuki may be your most

protein concentrated beans.

 

http://www.nutritiondata.com/ is a great site for checking the

complete amino acid profile of a food. Remember, protein is in

everything we eat including fruits (most people believe fruit has not

protein). The other thing I question with high protein - is if when

we are infants and need to grow and develop the most, wouldn't we

need our highest amounts of nutrients at that time in our life? If

mother's milk is only about 10% protein and can sustain and infant

through at least 6 months of life, then how can an adult ever need

more protein in their day to day life?

 

Hope that helps (and that I was not too argumentative - I mean no

offense)

~ Susan

 

The Gluten Free Vegan Blog & Natural/Crunchy/Unconventional Living

and Mothering Blog have combined:

http://virgo-vegan.blogspot.com/

 

" I expect to pass through this world but once. Any good thing,

therefore, that I can do or any kindness I can show to any fellow

creature, let me do it now. Let me not defer or neglect it for I

shall not pass this way again. "

-Stephen Grellet

 

On Aug 21, 2009, at 4:14 PM, Dan Westford wrote:

 

> Bravo virgo.vegan.

>

> I also, avoid pre-packaged foods, and I also avoid wheat and soy

> and corn because in the US you never know when you are eating a

> genetically modified food product. Recently, my natrualpath

> recommended the consumption of a high quality organic whey product

> for protein. We recently purchased a whey product from New Zealand,

> but we are otherwise, mostly vegan.

>

> What's your opinion about eating whey from a high quality organic

> source?

>

> If I need 20 grams of protein five times a day, can I achieve that

> with brown rice and beans or other foods?

>

> ________________________________

> virgo.vegan <virgo.vegan

>

> Friday, August 21, 2009 11:24:19 AM

> Re: Re: getting enough protein

> isn't the issue

>

> If you are retaining weight, it could be that your body has slowed

> its metablosim for fear it does not know when or where the next

> calories will come from. It sounds counterintuitive, but you have to

> eat to loose weight. So sorry you are having these problems. I used

> to have severe health problems too - I tried a raw vegan diet for a

> few months and it helped. Now i et no refined or packaged products,

> about 75% raw fruit and veggies and the other cooked foods are beans

> or potatoes.

>

> ~ Susan

>

> On Aug 21, 2009, at 1:31 PM, Jae Jones wrote:

>

> > I actually struggle to get that many calories and really try hard

> > to get

> > more. I'm not deliberately trying to eat very little, I just

> > physically

> > can't handle a lot of food. Oddly I weigh more than the little

> > charts at the

> > doctors says I should and even though a lot of my levels are low my

> > PCP

> > thinks I'm eating too much! Can you believe that???

> >

> > I have chronic pancreatitis, I get gastritis frequently, I'm always

> > nauseated, and experiance a great deal of pain after eating. I'm

> > far from

> > healthy but in comparison with relatives I'm the healthiest! Scary,

> > I know!

> > If I ate meat, dairy, etc I'd be completely unable to function at

> > all! When

> > I first got sick I was on a liquid diet and for about 2 or so years

> > I was

> > only getting about 200 calories a day into me and that was a

> > struggle! I am

> > pretty weak and I don't have a lot of energy. Everything is a

> > struggle! I

> > have been studying and trying all holistic modalities for years now

> > and I

> > have seen some improvement. I doubt I will ever get to a point

> > where I'm

> > truly healthy, but any improvement is better than none!

> >

> > Typically, I'll have 4 oz hemp milk in the morning (breakfast),

> > then I drink

> > water all day, around 2pm I have my 1 meal a day which if I don't

> > feel up to

> > cooking I make an Amy's meal in the microwave (about 1/3 of goes

> to my

> > chihuahua because she has to share plus I can't finish it all!)

> > Sometimes

> > I'll have a salad and if I feel I can handle the protein I'll put

> > nuts or

> > tofu on it. Sometimes I'll saute up a bunch of veggies make a nice

> > melady

> > and that feeds me for a week! Same when I make a pizza, it's for

> > the week!

> > Then in the evening I'll have some juice or hemp milk if I'm up to

> > it, but

> > usually I live on water. I have been trying that fruitsense vitamin

> > water

> > which is ok. I figure it's better than plain water and gives me a

> > few more

> > calories a day. I'll only have 8 oz of that because I don't want to

> > load up

> > on sugar. Today I'm having left over mashed potatoes with

> > carmalized onions

> > and mushrooms, or at least that's the plan. Still feeling quite ill

> > so it

> > may end up being a just water day! I have a lot of those, so even

> less

> > calories! But I eat too much because I'm over weight!

> > I am mostly skin and bones! The weight is all in my abdomen. You'd

> > think

> > someone who went to med school would have a clue, but then there's

> > no profit

> > to be had from dietary knowledge, unless they can prescribe diet

> > pills. I

> > just say say to the doctor it must be all the water I drink. Water

> > is very

> > fattening you know! lol

> >

> >

> > On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:37 AM, mizfrog1938 <MizFrog (AT) comcast (DOT) net>

> > wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Vegan-and-Gluten- Free@ .com<Vegan-and-

> Gluten- Free

> > %40. com>,

> > > Jae Jones <recyclednew@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > >

> > > > I eat healthy (as healthy as I can...about 600 calories a day),

> > >

> > > Wow! What is the purpose in eating so few calories? How can

> that be

> > > healthy? Seems like a diet that low in calories would be severely

> > lacking in

> > > nutrients.

> > >

> > > You must be skin and bones. What do you eat? Can you post a day's

> > (or few

> > > day's) menus? Do you weigh and measure everything to be sure you

> > don't

> > > exceed that many calories? How long have you been limiting your

> > calories so

> > > severely?

> > >

> > > If I ate no more than that, I think I'd be so weak I couldn't

> > walk or do

> > > much of anything else. Energy comes from the foods we eat. I

> > would be

> > > nervous and shaky, I'm sure.

> > >

> > > Sorry for all the questions, but I just find this amazing.

> > >

> > > Sandy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >