Dietician visit pending for low weight toddler .../more info

[Guest guest]

Sarah--Those hospital diets, given to already compromised people, are

DEADLY--literally. It is a miracle if anyone gets well eating that garbage.

Artificially colored and flavored jello, pureed beef with fatty gravy, animal

based bouillon (laden with salt and MSG and God knows what else!)...the list

goes on and on. It's a tragedy! If any of my children are ever hospitalized, or

if I am, you can be sure we will NOT be eating the crap they are serving to

those other poor souls! I even carry all natural lollipopos in my pocketbook on

a daily basis, in case my kids are offered treats someplace. You can be SURE

that if I am that fussy about a tiny lollipop (and yes, I know lollipops are

just candy, but hey--we all like an occasional treat, and this one's natural),

there is NO WAY my kids would get a steady diet of inferior " foods " , no matter

where they are!

 

On a side note--I recently heard that Dr. Joel Fuhrman (I get his e-newsletter)

had been consulted by the family of a hospitalized person who had suffered a

traumatic injury. Dr. F made up a solution to go in the person's IV, in lieu of

the usual sugar or salt water garbage given to people in these situations. The

patient made a rermarkable recovery! Also, Rev. Malkmus of Hallelujah Acres

suffered a stress related stroke sometime in the last year or two. His wife

refused all hospital treatment, took him home, put him on the Hallelujah Diet

Recovery Program (outlined on their website and in their magazines), and within

48 hours, Rev. Malkmus was making a remarkable recovery, and is totally

recovered today, and lecturing all over the country, as he had been before his

stroke. Traditional " health care " ? No, thanks.

 

Just this morning, I was at my sons' swim lessons. While they were in class, I

was listening to a tape of Dr. Joel Robbins. He discusses all sorts of issues on

pregnancy, parenting, and a mostly raw vegan diet. He also touches on topics

such as vaccinations, breastfeeding, home birth, and other related things of

interest to parents. He mentioned a talk he had given to the Wisconsin state

gathering of registered dietiticians, back in the '90's (the tape was made in

1998). What he told those people was nothing but the TRUTH. It sure didn't jibe

with what they had been taught in school, or what they were telling their

clients! When about 50 of them approached him after the talk, and told him they

wanted to give their clients TRUE health information, Dr. Robbins told them that

if they did, they'd lose their licenses to practice! They are forbidden to tell

patients anything except what the mainstream authorities tell them they must

tell people--and it is all complete SAD-based misinformation, which is, of

course, detrimental to the health of the already sick person asking for advice

and guidance!

 

What sort of screwed up system IS this????

 

This tape (now in CD's) is available at the bookstore on the Hallelujah Acres

website, www.hacres.com . There are other books and CD's and DVD's related to

health and veganism there, too, both from a Christian and a secular viewpoint.

 

Marilyn

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sarah Haubert <sarah.haubert

 

Thu, May 6, 2010 10:07 am

Re: Dietician visit pending for low weight toddler ...

 

 

 

 

" Hospital dieticians know next to

> nothing about TRUE nutrition. "

 

Marilyn,

 

You are so completely right. I know because I, being naturally interested in

nutrition, worked on a bachelor's in dietetics for a while. How silly! The

textbooks used are all sponsored by the USDA, and feature the food pyramids with

dairy as its own nutritious group and the protein section is all meat with one

small can of beans in the background (I was in school only a couple of years

ago, and these books were NEW). Every time I submitted a project where we had to

write recipes or journal nutritional value of meals the professors always

underscored mine because there was never " enough protein " and would suggest that

if I was so adamant about not including meats that I at least include TOFU at

EVERY MEAL!

Besides the obvious prejudices against vegetarians and vegans, more than HALF

the curriculum of a 4-year dietetics degree is food system management classes,

including an entire class about how to operate computer software that plans

meals for large-scale food operations (hospitals and nursing homes). There is

very precious little taught about the actual chemistry of food, nutrition, and

the body.

I volunteered at our local hospital for a few years on the pediatric floor

planning activities for the children and spending time with them. I've literally

spoon-fed some of the most disgusting crap ( " food " ) I've ever seen to children

that are suffering and in many cases dying. Once I fed cooked ground beef in

gravy to a little boy with brain cancer...that was all they sent up for him, and

he ate that (and only that) regularly. I've also witnessed pizza, bags of

doritos, scrambled eggs with cheese, and chicken nuggets with fries served to

these children for lunch. I've never seen anything that I would consider

healthy, with the exception of the occasional apple sauce (but it's packed with

sugar, of course). What brilliant people are at the helm of this food program?

Registered Dieticians.

 

-Sarah

 

On 5 May 2010 14:13, <youhavehowmany@ aol.com> wrote:

 

>

>

>

> Breastfeeding should be continued for a minimum of 2 years, whenever

> possible. Nutritionally oriented doctors such as Dr. John McDougall have

> discussed this in their books. It's not new information. It's just not

> " mainstream " , so mainstream people tend not to listen. La Leche League is a

> good source of factual breastfeeding info, if you need it. It is not at all

> uncommon for kids to go a year or longer doing breastmilk ONLY. Thin babies

> are just fine and normal, in the absence of obvious illness. I have a very

> thin child (my only thin one out of six biological and three adopted

> children). He is growing, normal, bright, active, and healthy. That's all

> that matters. No amount of " fattening him up " made any difference

> whatsoever. He is who he is intended to be. If your child is active, alert,

> growing, and healthy--where' s the problem? Hospital dieticians know next to

> nothing about TRUE nutrition. Try instead to seek out a nutritionally

> oriented specialist, if possible. Of COURSE those forms aren't geared

> towards your family, or towards REAL healthy diets! The people who create

> those forms know NOTHING about health!

>

> When my husband was out of work last year, I applied for WIC, thinking it

> would help us pay for nutritious foods. WRONG. They advocated dairy (and it

> was lowfat or fat free, pasteurized dairy--the absolute WORST quality of

> dairy for growing children, if dairy is used!). They offered cheese. They

> offered peanut butter (my toddler has a life-threatening allergy to

> peanuts). They offered juices (loaded with sugars, pasteurized, low quality

> as compared to juicing real fruits). They offered cereals (just about all of

> them contained artificial colors, flavors, BHT as a preservative, or were

> otherwise nutritionally inferior). And that is the government's idea of

> " nutrition " . Ummmm....no thanks. I bought the beans they had on the WIC

> cards, and never went back. It wasn't worth my time. But that's what a

> mainstream nutritionist will advocate, in most cases. I find that sad. Don't

> get me wrong--I use many mainstream foods, including cereals and juices from

> the store. I'm not a " food snob " --can't afford to be! LOL! But I do know

> better, and choose the best I am financially able to.

>

> I hope others here can give you some practical advice as to how to deal

> with these various " authorities " who have more power, and less knowledge,

> than is good for them, in many cases. Vegan families can, and have been

> seriously harmed by worthless, unfounded suspicions, by uninformed

> bystanders and government employeees. Arm yourself with knowledge and try to

> find some supportive, knowledgeable experts on vegan nutrition and child

> development. Even the American Dietetic Association has come around to

> admitting that a child can grow, thrive, and be healthy on a vegetarian

> diet. I believe they also mention a vegan diet (well planned) as being

> healthy and adequate. If this mainstream national organization can say this,

> anyone who questions the nutritional adequacy of a vegan diet for growing

> children doesn't have any basis for saying otherwise, even if they are

> mainstream oriented.

>

> The Hallelujah Acres (Christian vegan--www.hacres. com) magazine recently

> featured a young lady who is a competitive athlete (gymnastics) , and

> thriving vegan child. There's nothing unusual about this. Dr. Doug Graham is

> a good source for information about veganism and health, especially as it

> relates to athletics. There's WAY too much known about the adequacy and

> superior health of vegans--adults and children--for anyone to question this

> any longer. Dr. Olin Idol of Hallelujah Acres has written extensively about

> the adequacy (and superiority) of vegan diets for children, babies, and

> pregnant women. You can purchase his book on their website.

>

> Hope something I said is helpful to you! Marilyn

>

>

>

> guycatherine <applemoy@googlemail .com <applemoy%40googlem ail.com>>

> @gro ups.com <% 40. com>

> Wed, May 5, 2010 6:37 am

> Dietician visit pending for low weight toddler ...

>

> We're due to take our 15-month-old son to see a dietician at our local

> hospital next week, as our health visitor is concerned about his low weight.

>

>

> We are vegans and bringing him up as a vegan; he is still breastfeeding and

> some days hardly eats any solid food at all. I've got a feeling we're going

> to be advised to cut down on breast milk and give him meat and dairy

> products, though I may be proved wrong. In the food diary we're supposed to

> be keeping, there are questions like 'how much milk does your child drink a

> day?' and I feel it's not geared up to breastfeeding families.

>

> I'm already doing the 'adding oil / ground almonds / not always using

> wholegrain products' things that are recommended in 'Feeding your vegan

> infant - with confidence' book and other places.

>

> Wondering if anyone else has had an NHS dietician's appointment, and how it

> went? And wondering if other people have managed to bring up healthy

> children on a vegan diet? Have you any tips for getting him to eat more

> healthy food?

>

> Apologies if these questions have been asked / answered before by others,

> I'm new to the group.

>

> Thanks in advance!

>

> Catherine

>

>

[Guest guest]

Marilyn-

 

I don't post a lot on this list, but I always appreciate your well-informed

posts! I appreciate the link to the Hallelujah acres website, we're not

religious but they have loads of information and recipes which will come in

handy. Thanks!!

 

-Sarah

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

" youhavehowmany " <youhavehowmany

 

Thu, May 6, 2010 1:02:20 PM

Dietician visit pending for low weight toddler .../more

info

 

 

 

Sarah--Those hospital diets, given to already compromised people, are

DEADLY--literally. It is a miracle if anyone gets well eating that garbage.

Artificially colored and flavored jello, pureed beef with fatty gravy, animal

based bouillon (laden with salt and MSG and God knows what else!)...the list

goes on and on. It's a tragedy! If any of my children are ever hospitalized, or

if I am, you can be sure we will NOT be eating the crap they are serving to

those other poor souls! I even carry all natural lollipopos in my pocketbook on

a daily basis, in case my kids are offered treats someplace. You can be SURE

that if I am that fussy about a tiny lollipop (and yes, I know lollipops are

just candy, but hey--we all like an occasional treat, and this one's natural),

there is NO WAY my kids would get a steady diet of inferior " foods " , no matter

where they are!

 

On a side note--I recently heard that Dr. Joel Fuhrman (I get his e-newsletter)

had been consulted by the family of a hospitalized person who had suffered a

traumatic injury. Dr. F made up a solution to go in the person's IV, in lieu of

the usual sugar or salt water garbage given to people in these situations. The

patient made a rermarkable recovery! Also, Rev. Malkmus of Hallelujah Acres

suffered a stress related stroke sometime in the last year or two. His wife

refused all hospital treatment, took him home, put him on the Hallelujah Diet

Recovery Program (outlined on their website and in their magazines), and within

48 hours, Rev. Malkmus was making a remarkable recovery, and is totally

recovered today, and lecturing all over the country, as he had been before his

stroke. Traditional " health care " ? No, thanks.

 

Just this morning, I was at my sons' swim lessons. While they were in class, I

was listening to a tape of Dr. Joel Robbins. He discusses all sorts of issues on

pregnancy, parenting, and a mostly raw vegan diet. He also touches on topics

such as vaccinations, breastfeeding, home birth, and other related things of

interest to parents. He mentioned a talk he had given to the Wisconsin state

gathering of registered dietiticians, back in the '90's (the tape was made in

1998). What he told those people was nothing but the TRUTH. It sure didn't jibe

with what they had been taught in school, or what they were telling their

clients! When about 50 of them approached him after the talk, and told him they

wanted to give their clients TRUE health information, Dr. Robbins told them that

if they did, they'd lose their licenses to practice! They are forbidden to tell

patients anything except what the mainstream authorities tell them they must

tell people--and it is all

complete SAD-based misinformation, which is, of course, detrimental to the

health of the already sick person asking for advice and guidance!

 

What sort of screwed up system IS this????

 

This tape (now in CD's) is available at the bookstore on the Hallelujah Acres

website, www.hacres.com . There are other books and CD's and DVD's related to

health and veganism there, too, both from a Christian and a secular viewpoint.

 

Marilyn

 

 

Sarah Haubert <sarah.haubert@ >

@gro ups.com

Thu, May 6, 2010 10:07 am

Re: Dietician visit pending for low weight toddler ...

 

" Hospital dieticians know next to

> nothing about TRUE nutrition. "

 

Marilyn,

 

You are so completely right. I know because I, being naturally interested in

nutrition, worked on a bachelor's in dietetics for a while. How silly! The

textbooks used are all sponsored by the USDA, and feature the food pyramids with

dairy as its own nutritious group and the protein section is all meat with one

small can of beans in the background (I was in school only a couple of years

ago, and these books were NEW). Every time I submitted a project where we had to

write recipes or journal nutritional value of meals the professors always

underscored mine because there was never " enough protein " and would suggest that

if I was so adamant about not including meats that I at least include TOFU at

EVERY MEAL!

Besides the obvious prejudices against vegetarians and vegans, more than HALF

the curriculum of a 4-year dietetics degree is food system management classes,

including an entire class about how to operate computer software that plans

meals for large-scale food operations (hospitals and nursing homes). There is

very precious little taught about the actual chemistry of food, nutrition, and

the body.

I volunteered at our local hospital for a few years on the pediatric floor

planning activities for the children and spending time with them. I've literally

spoon-fed some of the most disgusting crap ( " food " ) I've ever seen to children

that are suffering and in many cases dying. Once I fed cooked ground beef in

gravy to a little boy with brain cancer...that was all they sent up for him, and

he ate that (and only that) regularly. I've also witnessed pizza, bags of

doritos, scrambled eggs with cheese, and chicken nuggets with fries served to

these children for lunch. I've never seen anything that I would consider

healthy, with the exception of the occasional apple sauce (but it's packed with

sugar, of course). What brilliant people are at the helm of this food program?

Registered Dieticians.

 

-Sarah

 

On 5 May 2010 14:13, <youhavehowmany@ aol.com> wrote:

 

>

>

>

> Breastfeeding should be continued for a minimum of 2 years, whenever

> possible. Nutritionally oriented doctors such as Dr. John McDougall have

> discussed this in their books. It's not new information. It's just not

> " mainstream " , so mainstream people tend not to listen. La Leche League is a

> good source of factual breastfeeding info, if you need it. It is not at all

> uncommon for kids to go a year or longer doing breastmilk ONLY. Thin babies

> are just fine and normal, in the absence of obvious illness. I have a very

> thin child (my only thin one out of six biological and three adopted

> children). He is growing, normal, bright, active, and healthy. That's all

> that matters. No amount of " fattening him up " made any difference

> whatsoever. He is who he is intended to be. If your child is active, alert,

> growing, and healthy--where' s the problem? Hospital dieticians know next to

> nothing about TRUE nutrition. Try instead to seek out a nutritionally

> oriented specialist, if possible. Of COURSE those forms aren't geared

> towards your family, or towards REAL healthy diets! The people who create

> those forms know NOTHING about health!

>

> When my husband was out of work last year, I applied for WIC, thinking it

> would help us pay for nutritious foods. WRONG. They advocated dairy (and it

> was lowfat or fat free, pasteurized dairy--the absolute WORST quality of

> dairy for growing children, if dairy is used!). They offered cheese. They

> offered peanut butter (my toddler has a life-threatening allergy to

> peanuts). They offered juices (loaded with sugars, pasteurized, low quality

> as compared to juicing real fruits). They offered cereals (just about all of

> them contained artificial colors, flavors, BHT as a preservative, or were

> otherwise nutritionally inferior). And that is the government's idea of

> " nutrition " . Ummmm....no thanks. I bought the beans they had on the WIC

> cards, and never went back. It wasn't worth my time. But that's what a

> mainstream nutritionist will advocate, in most cases. I find that sad. Don't

> get me wrong--I use many mainstream foods, including cereals and juices from

> the store. I'm not a " food snob " --can't afford to be! LOL! But I do know

> better, and choose the best I am financially able to.

>

> I hope others here can give you some practical advice as to how to deal

> with these various " authorities " who have more power, and less knowledge,

> than is good for them, in many cases. Vegan families can, and have been

> seriously harmed by worthless, unfounded suspicions, by uninformed

> bystanders and government employeees. Arm yourself with knowledge and try to

> find some supportive, knowledgeable experts on vegan nutrition and child

> development. Even the American Dietetic Association has come around to

> admitting that a child can grow, thrive, and be healthy on a vegetarian

> diet. I believe they also mention a vegan diet (well planned) as being

> healthy and adequate. If this mainstream national organization can say this,

> anyone who questions the nutritional adequacy of a vegan diet for growing

> children doesn't have any basis for saying otherwise, even if they are

> mainstream oriented.

>

> The Hallelujah Acres (Christian vegan--www.hacres. com) magazine recently

> featured a young lady who is a competitive athlete (gymnastics) , and

> thriving vegan child. There's nothing unusual about this. Dr. Doug Graham is

> a good source for information about veganism and health, especially as it

> relates to athletics. There's WAY too much known about the adequacy and

> superior health of vegans--adults and children--for anyone to question this

> any longer. Dr. Olin Idol of Hallelujah Acres has written extensively about

> the adequacy (and superiority) of vegan diets for children, babies, and

> pregnant women. You can purchase his book on their website.

>

> Hope something I said is helpful to you! Marilyn

>

>

>

> guycatherine <applemoy@googlemai l .com <applemoy%40googlem ail.com>>

> @gro ups.com <% 40. com>

> Wed, May 5, 2010 6:37 am

> Dietician visit pending for low weight toddler ...

>

> We're due to take our 15-month-old son to see a dietician at our local

> hospital next week, as our health visitor is concerned about his low weight.

>

>

> We are vegans and bringing him up as a vegan; he is still breastfeeding and

> some days hardly eats any solid food at all. I've got a feeling we're going

> to be advised to cut down on breast milk and give him meat and dairy

> products, though I may be proved wrong. In the food diary we're supposed to

> be keeping, there are questions like 'how much milk does your child drink a

> day?' and I feel it's not geared up to breastfeeding families.

>

> I'm already doing the 'adding oil / ground almonds / not always using

> wholegrain products' things that are recommended in 'Feeding your vegan

> infant - with confidence' book and other places.

>

> Wondering if anyone else has had an NHS dietician's appointment, and how it

> went? And wondering if other people have managed to bring up healthy

> children on a vegan diet? Have you any tips for getting him to eat more

> healthy food?

>

> Apologies if these questions have been asked / answered before by others,

> I'm new to the group.

>

> Thanks in advance!

>

> Catherine

>

>

[Guest guest]

YW, Sarah, and thanks for the vote of confidence in my posts. As I have said

before--recipes are non-religious. Enjoy! Marilyn

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sarah Haubert <sarah.haubert

 

Thu, May 6, 2010 3:12 pm

Re: Dietician visit pending for low weight toddler

..../more info

 

 

 

 

Marilyn-

 

I don't post a lot on this list, but I always appreciate your well-informed

posts! I appreciate the link to the Hallelujah acres website, we're not

religious but they have loads of information and recipes which will come in

handy. Thanks!!

 

-Sarah

 

________________________________

" youhavehowmany " <youhavehowmany

 

Thu, May 6, 2010 1:02:20 PM

Dietician visit pending for low weight toddler .../more

info

 

Sarah--Those hospital diets, given to already compromised people, are

DEADLY--literally. It is a miracle if anyone gets well eating that garbage.

Artificially colored and flavored jello, pureed beef with fatty gravy, animal

based bouillon (laden with salt and MSG and God knows what else!)...the list

goes on and on. It's a tragedy! If any of my children are ever hospitalized, or

if I am, you can be sure we will NOT be eating the crap they are serving to

those other poor souls! I even carry all natural lollipopos in my pocketbook on

a daily basis, in case my kids are offered treats someplace. You can be SURE

that if I am that fussy about a tiny lollipop (and yes, I know lollipops are

just candy, but hey--we all like an occasional treat, and this one's natural),

there is NO WAY my kids would get a steady diet of inferior " foods " , no matter

where they are!

 

On a side note--I recently heard that Dr. Joel Fuhrman (I get his e-newsletter)

had been consulted by the family of a hospitalized person who had suffered a

traumatic injury. Dr. F made up a solution to go in the person's IV, in lieu of

the usual sugar or salt water garbage given to people in these situations. The

patient made a rermarkable recovery! Also, Rev. Malkmus of Hallelujah Acres

suffered a stress related stroke sometime in the last year or two. His wife

refused all hospital treatment, took him home, put him on the Hallelujah Diet

Recovery Program (outlined on their website and in their magazines), and within

48 hours, Rev. Malkmus was making a remarkable recovery, and is totally

recovered today, and lecturing all over the country, as he had been before his

stroke. Traditional " health care " ? No, thanks.

 

Just this morning, I was at my sons' swim lessons. While they were in class, I

was listening to a tape of Dr. Joel Robbins. He discusses all sorts of issues on

pregnancy, parenting, and a mostly raw vegan diet. He also touches on topics

such as vaccinations, breastfeeding, home birth, and other related things of

interest to parents. He mentioned a talk he had given to the Wisconsin state

gathering of registered dietiticians, back in the '90's (the tape was made in

1998). What he told those people was nothing but the TRUTH. It sure didn't jibe

with what they had been taught in school, or what they were telling their

clients! When about 50 of them approached him after the talk, and told him they

wanted to give their clients TRUE health information, Dr. Robbins told them that

if they did, they'd lose their licenses to practice! They are forbidden to tell

patients anything except what the mainstream authorities tell them they must

tell people--and it is all

complete SAD-based misinformation, which is, of course, detrimental to the

health of the already sick person asking for advice and guidance!

 

What sort of screwed up system IS this????

 

This tape (now in CD's) is available at the bookstore on the Hallelujah Acres

website, www.hacres.com . There are other books and CD's and DVD's related to

health and veganism there, too, both from a Christian and a secular viewpoint.

 

Marilyn

 

 

Sarah Haubert <sarah.haubert@ >

@gro ups.com

Thu, May 6, 2010 10:07 am

Re: Dietician visit pending for low weight toddler ...

 

" Hospital dieticians know next to

> nothing about TRUE nutrition. "

 

Marilyn,

 

You are so completely right. I know because I, being naturally interested in

nutrition, worked on a bachelor's in dietetics for a while. How silly! The

textbooks used are all sponsored by the USDA, and feature the food pyramids with

dairy as its own nutritious group and the protein section is all meat with one

small can of beans in the background (I was in school only a couple of years

ago, and these books were NEW). Every time I submitted a project where we had to

write recipes or journal nutritional value of meals the professors always

underscored mine because there was never " enough protein " and would suggest that

if I was so adamant about not including meats that I at least include TOFU at

EVERY MEAL!

Besides the obvious prejudices against vegetarians and vegans, more than HALF

the curriculum of a 4-year dietetics degree is food system management classes,

including an entire class about how to operate computer software that plans

meals for large-scale food operations (hospitals and nursing homes). There is

very precious little taught about the actual chemistry of food, nutrition, and

the body.

I volunteered at our local hospital for a few years on the pediatric floor

planning activities for the children and spending time with them. I've literally

spoon-fed some of the most disgusting crap ( " food " ) I've ever seen to children

that are suffering and in many cases dying. Once I fed cooked ground beef in

gravy to a little boy with brain cancer...that was all they sent up for him, and

he ate that (and only that) regularly. I've also witnessed pizza, bags of

doritos, scrambled eggs with cheese, and chicken nuggets with fries served to

these children for lunch. I've never seen anything that I would consider

healthy, with the exception of the occasional apple sauce (but it's packed with

sugar, of course). What brilliant people are at the helm of this food program?

Registered Dieticians.

 

-Sarah

 

On 5 May 2010 14:13, <youhavehowmany@ aol.com> wrote:

 

>

>

>

> Breastfeeding should be continued for a minimum of 2 years, whenever

> possible. Nutritionally oriented doctors such as Dr. John McDougall have

> discussed this in their books. It's not new information. It's just not

> " mainstream " , so mainstream people tend not to listen. La Leche League is a

> good source of factual breastfeeding info, if you need it. It is not at all

> uncommon for kids to go a year or longer doing breastmilk ONLY. Thin babies

> are just fine and normal, in the absence of obvious illness. I have a very

> thin child (my only thin one out of six biological and three adopted

> children). He is growing, normal, bright, active, and healthy. That's all

> that matters. No amount of " fattening him up " made any difference

> whatsoever. He is who he is intended to be. If your child is active, alert,

> growing, and healthy--where' s the problem? Hospital dieticians know next to

> nothing about TRUE nutrition. Try instead to seek out a nutritionally

> oriented specialist, if possible. Of COURSE those forms aren't geared

> towards your family, or towards REAL healthy diets! The people who create

> those forms know NOTHING about health!

>

> When my husband was out of work last year, I applied for WIC, thinking it

> would help us pay for nutritious foods. WRONG. They advocated dairy (and it

> was lowfat or fat free, pasteurized dairy--the absolute WORST quality of

> dairy for growing children, if dairy is used!). They offered cheese. They

> offered peanut butter (my toddler has a life-threatening allergy to

> peanuts). They offered juices (loaded with sugars, pasteurized, low quality

> as compared to juicing real fruits). They offered cereals (just about all of

> them contained artificial colors, flavors, BHT as a preservative, or were

> otherwise nutritionally inferior). And that is the government's idea of

> " nutrition " . Ummmm....no thanks. I bought the beans they had on the WIC

> cards, and never went back. It wasn't worth my time. But that's what a

> mainstream nutritionist will advocate, in most cases. I find that sad. Don't

> get me wrong--I use many mainstream foods, including cereals and juices from

> the store. I'm not a " food snob " --can't afford to be! LOL! But I do know

> better, and choose the best I am financially able to.

>

> I hope others here can give you some practical advice as to how to deal

> with these various " authorities " who have more power, and less knowledge,

> than is good for them, in many cases. Vegan families can, and have been

> seriously harmed by worthless, unfounded suspicions, by uninformed

> bystanders and government employeees. Arm yourself with knowledge and try to

> find some supportive, knowledgeable experts on vegan nutrition and child

> development. Even the American Dietetic Association has come around to

> admitting that a child can grow, thrive, and be healthy on a vegetarian

> diet. I believe they also mention a vegan diet (well planned) as being

> healthy and adequate. If this mainstream national organization can say this,

> anyone who questions the nutritional adequacy of a vegan diet for growing

> children doesn't have any basis for saying otherwise, even if they are

> mainstream oriented.

>

> The Hallelujah Acres (Christian vegan--www.hacres. com) magazine recently

> featured a young lady who is a competitive athlete (gymnastics) , and

> thriving vegan child. There's nothing unusual about this. Dr. Doug Graham is

> a good source for information about veganism and health, especially as it

> relates to athletics. There's WAY too much known about the adequacy and

> superior health of vegans--adults and children--for anyone to question this

> any longer. Dr. Olin Idol of Hallelujah Acres has written extensively about

> the adequacy (and superiority) of vegan diets for children, babies, and

> pregnant women. You can purchase his book on their website.

>

> Hope something I said is helpful to you! Marilyn

>

>

>

> guycatherine <applemoy@googlemai l .com <applemoy%40googlem ail.com>>

> @gro ups.com <% 40. com>

> Wed, May 5, 2010 6:37 am

> Dietician visit pending for low weight toddler ...

>

> We're due to take our 15-month-old son to see a dietician at our local

> hospital next week, as our health visitor is concerned about his low weight.

>

>

> We are vegans and bringing him up as a vegan; he is still breastfeeding and

> some days hardly eats any solid food at all. I've got a feeling we're going

> to be advised to cut down on breast milk and give him meat and dairy

> products, though I may be proved wrong. In the food diary we're supposed to

> be keeping, there are questions like 'how much milk does your child drink a

> day?' and I feel it's not geared up to breastfeeding families.

>

> I'm already doing the 'adding oil / ground almonds / not always using

> wholegrain products' things that are recommended in 'Feeding your vegan

> infant - with confidence' book and other places.

>

> Wondering if anyone else has had an NHS dietician's appointment, and how it

> went? And wondering if other people have managed to bring up healthy

> children on a vegan diet? Have you any tips for getting him to eat more

> healthy food?

>

> Apologies if these questions have been asked / answered before by others,

> I'm new to the group.

>

> Thanks in advance!

>

> Catherine

>

>