Guest guest Posted May 7, 2003 Report Share Posted May 7, 2003 People who believe the Earth was made in 6,000 years by some old fart who somehow is the same person as his son who tap-danced on water and did magic tricks with loaves and fishes, will believe anything. Tom - " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart Monday, May 05, 2003 5:25 PM Re: Would you? Could you? Should you? > The humans and the dinosaurs never coexisted. Scientific research has shown > that dinosaurs died out millions of years before the first human set food on > the ground. > > Danielle > > > > " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette Rankin > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > " simonpjones " <simonpjones > > > Re: Would you? Could you? Should you? > Mon, 5 May 2003 14:54:04 +0100 > > > - > " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart > > Monday, May 05, 2003 12:51 PM > Re: Would you? Could you? Should you? > > > > From my limited knowledge of creationism (which totally ignores the > > existence of dinosaurs,> > > I can't see how dinosaurs are ignored. Are they not part of the " every > creature that moves along the ground " that are mentioned on the fifth and > sixth day.Crocodiles and kangaroos are not mentioned either. > Not forgetting, it's reckoned that only about 10% of known creatures exist > today.> > . > > The argument meat-eating x-tians use is " god gave humans dominion over > the > > animals, " although I have no idea where that appears. I can only guess > that > > someone misinterpreted that as " domination, " based on the way we treat > them.> > > Bible Quote. Genesis 1:28 " God blessed them and said to them, " Be fruitful > and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of > the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves > on the ground. " > 29-Then God said " I give you every seed- bearing plant on the face of the > whole earth and every tree that has seed in it. They will be yours for > food.30- And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and > all the creatures that move on the ground - everything that moves on the > ground - I give every green plant for food. " and it was so. > > I can't see how anyone can say it's saying anything other then we and > animals should be eating plant type foods. > > > Some Bibles use the word dominion some rule etc, > > However, you could certainly argue that since we are the only creatures > > given free will, we can decide if we will be stewards or pillagers of the > > earth. We can use our dominion for good or for evil. The modern food > > animal industries use their powers for evil, to cause great harm to other > > creatures. > > > > Danielle > > > > > > > > " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette > Rankin > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > <janewwt > > > > > > Re: Would you? Could you? Should you? > > Mon, 5 May 2003 08:01:17 +0100 > > > > Amylia, > > I'm not a Christian so maybe I'm missing the point. But the > > argument that I get from Christians supporting meat eating is that the > > big-man upstairs put animals on the earth for humans use (inc eating). Is > > there a passage in the bible that explicitly states this, or, is it down > to > > subjective interpretation? Is it that this passage only refers to seeds > > because 'he' hadn't got around to creating other animals yet? Sorry for > > asking possibly v. naive questions, but I want to be fully prepared for > my > > next 'lively debate' with my brother who happens to be a Christian > > meat-eater (interesting how siblings can be so different). > > I'll certainly look at the web-site you suggested, > > > > Many thanks > > > > ;-) Jani > > - > > Amylia F > > > > Sunday, May 04, 2003 6:03 PM > > Re: Would you? Could you? > > > > > > Jani, > > > > Without getting too religious on you, I guess I just keep > thinking > > of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. I know religion is seen as a > > philosophy itself, but in the Bible Genesis 1:29-30 God tells Adam and > Eve > > that He has given them all the seed-bearing plants, and fruit trees for > > food. And the birds and animals get all the grass and plants for their > > food.---Like I said, I'm NOT trying to preach, just wanted you to know > where > > I was coming from. (I just wish I liked fruit more. Apples, bananas, and > > grapes are okay, but everything else, ....yuck!) Now, as I write this, > I'm > > thinking something: I've seen carrot seeds in the store, but when I eat > a > > carrot, there's no seed inside, like apples, or oranges. How is this > > possible? I don't understand. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *This message was brought to you by: Amy > > > > > > > > >To: > > >Re: Would you? Could you? > > >Sat, 3 May 2003 17:34:23 +0100 > > > > > >Well Amy, I do remember seeing a 'Tales of the Unexpected' story > where > a > > man chopping down a tree could hear it screaming - I think it drove him > > bonkers. Actually that's the only thing I remember about the episode, so > if > > anyone knows the rest, perhaps they could enlighten us! > > >Perhaps the dilemmas that you've highlighted could explain raw food > > eaters. Or is that a different philosophy altogether? > > > > > >Jani > > > > > >P.S. There was another story about a bee-keeper - I can't remember > much > > about that either!!! > > > - > > > Amylia F > > > > > > Saturday, May 03, 2003 4:57 PM > > > Would you? Could you? > > > > > > > > > I just finished reading all the postings on " honey. " See, that's why > I > > love you guys. You always have something thought-provoking to say, and I > > just eat it up. (Yum!) And now, I've already asked a similar question to > > this but, would you, or could you become a fruitarian? I heard about them > 7 > > years ago. I found their official website, but haven't had the hours to > go > > through it. I'm attracted to them, because it just seems so " pure. " (I've > > even heard they refuse to pick fruit off trees, but instead wait for it > to > > fall to the ground----that way it's no longer connected to the source of > > life, the tree. Once it's on the ground, it's a product of the > tree.---See > > the difference?) Like I said, it seems pure, because there are people > that > > believe eating carrots is murder. ---Why? Because they are pulled out > from > > under the ground, thus ending their life, un like apples which are a > product > > of the tree, not the tree itself. And another thing, I did once have this > > guy tell me that eating vegetables hurts plants. I know plants do not > have > a > > face, but do they have feelings? --Well, I feel funny just asking that > > question. But does anyone feel they are " killing " plants at all? Or maybe > > choosing the lesser of two evils by eating plants instead of > animals?---Just > > wondering... > > > > > > > > > > > > *This message was brought to you by: Amy > > > > > > > > > > > >--------- > --- > > > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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