Would you? Could you? (warning- this post contains tonguein cheek content)

May 6, 2003

The same is also true with tomatoes--tomato sauce gives you more of the

antioxidants than raw tomatoes (but I still like 'em raw in my salad).

Danielle

" You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette Rankin

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" Vegecentric " <vegecentric

Re: Re: Would you? Could you? (warning- this post

contains tonguein cheek content)

Mon, 5 May 2003 21:56:37 -0700

Two observations: one, fruitarianism is not advisable for children, indeed

recently there have been news reports of very young children dying from

being given a raw-food/fruitarian diet, and is not viable for large blokes

(6 foot 3 " /190 cm) like myself who like to exercise and lift weights. Two,

if people want to go fruitarian, then fine, but forget about most people

ever even considering to take it up, let alone just veganism. Also, many

nutrients in beans and grains are actually released by cooking, so this is a

bonus, not a liability.

Tom

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Amylia F

Sunday, May 04, 2003 2:06 PM

Re: Re: Would you? Could you? (warning- this post

contains tonguein cheek content)

Graham,

I hear what you're saying, but then what's the answer? ----Wouldn't

the same thing happen if everyone went veggie or vegan?--More airports and

roads built to meet the demand of vegetables, etc. being shipped out to

countries dependent on imports, negatively affecting the environment, etc.

(And everything else you said.)---In this way, it almost makes me think,

" Okay, should I be thankful for the fact that this world isn't

fruitarian? " ---Even if everything you said was true, it's still not as bad

as the meat/dairy industry. Not even close.

It's like the whole " recylcing " thing. We're supposed to recycle

what little we use of metal, plastic, paper, etc. But then someone told me

that those factories that recycle, cause the same kind of air pollution, if

not more, than factories that produce styrofoam, etc. So should we all stop

recycling then?----Once again, what is the answer?

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>

> Re: Would you? Could you? (warning- this post

contains tongue in cheek content)

>Sun, 04 May 2003 13:02:05 -0000

>

>A fruitarian diet (derived solely from fruit, as opposed to raw

>food, in which all sorts of things such as leaves, sprouts, etc are

>used but arn't cooked) in this country (ie, UK) is probably not

>viable without being highly dependent on imports- so whilst one

>might be avoiding causing 'pain' to the plant (a dubious and

>unsubtantiated theory in any case) by relying solely on fruit that

>falls from the tree or bush, this would be counteracted by the

>damage done by greatly increasing one's overall ecological footprint

>and carbon budget. To say nothing of the trees, plants and animal

>habitats that would need to be destroyed in order to build more

>airports and roads to cope with the increased levels of fruit

>importation... (also, in the countries of origin, masses of

>indigenous plants would have to be displaced in order to make room

>for fruit and nut plantations- no doubt on trees grafted with bees

>wax- that are useful to human beings). Would you want this on YOUR

>conscience????

>

>A raw food diet OTOH is proabably sustainable and even makes

>ecological sense (no cooking- hence less fossil fuels burned). A few

>years ago I ran a permaculture course with some raw food folks over

>in West London, they seemed to sustain themselves pretty well from

>locally and home grown produce including all manner of common

>garden 'weeds' (including nettles and grass- blended into some kind

>of raw pate). But I wouldn't fancy it myself long term... In fact my

>co-teacher and I legged it down to the nearest coffee shop at Ealing

>station for a quick caffiene fix once the course was finished!!!

>

>Cheers Graham

>

> , " Vegecentric "

>wrote:

> > Hi Amy,

> > Fruit and Veg. are designed by the plant to be eaten - that's how

>their seeds are dispersed and propagated. That's also why they don't

>have a nervous system to alert to pain or disease, or means to flee

>from danger, like animals. By contrast animals, like us, have a

>survival instinct so they can breed and prosper. It doesn't make any

>sense for plants to feel pain, but B.S. artists still try it anyway.

> >

> > By the way, I love fruit, but life without soy ice-cream and dark

>chocolate sounds pretty dull to me!

> >

> > Tom

> > -

> > Amylia F

> >

> > Saturday, May 03, 2003 8:57 AM

> > Would you? Could you?

> >

> > I just finished reading all the postings on " honey. " See,

>that's why I love you guys. You always have something thought-

>provoking to say, and I just eat it up. (Yum!) And now, I've

>already asked a similar question to this but, would you, or could

>you become a fruitarian? I heard about them 7 years ago. I found

>their official website, but haven't had the hours to go through it.

>I'm attracted to them, because it just seems so " pure. " (I've even

>heard they refuse to pick fruit off trees, but instead wait for it

>to fall to the ground----that way it's no longer connected to the

>source of life, the tree. Once it's on the ground, it's a product

>of the tree.---See the difference?) Like I said, it seems pure,

>because there are people that believe eating carrots is murder. ---

>Why? Because they are pulled out from under the ground, thus ending

>their life, unlike apples which are a product of the tree, not the

>tree itself. And another thing, I did once have this guy tell me

>that eating vegetables hurts plants. I know plants do not have a

>face, but do they have feelings? --Well, I feel funny just asking

>that question. But does anyone feel they are " killing " plants at

>all? Or maybe choosing the lesser of two evils by eating plants

>instead of animals?---Just wondering...

> >

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May 6, 2003

Two observations: one, fruitarianism is not advisable for children, indeed recently there have been news reports of very young children dying from being given a raw-food/fruitarian diet, and is not viable for large blokes (6 foot 3"/190 cm) like myself who like to exercise and lift weights. Two, if people want to go fruitarian, then fine, but forget about most people ever even considering to take it up, let alone just veganism. Also, many nutrients in beans and grains are actually released by cooking, so this is a bonus, not a liability.

Tom

-

Amylia F

Sunday, May 04, 2003 2:06 PM

Re: Re: Would you? Could you? (warning- this post contains tonguein cheek content)

Graham,

I hear what you're saying, but then what's the answer? ----Wouldn't the same thing happen if everyone went veggie or vegan?--More airports and roads built to meet the demand of vegetables, etc. being shipped out to countries dependent on imports, negatively affecting the environment, etc. (And everything else you said.)---In this way, it almost makes me think, "Okay, should I be thankful for the fact that this world isn't fruitarian?"---Even if everything you said was true, it's still not as bad as the meat/dairy industry. Not even close.

It's like the whole "recylcing" thing. We're supposed to recycle what little we use of metal, plastic, paper, etc. But then someone told me that those factories that recycle, cause the same kind of air pollution, if not more, than factories that produce styrofoam, etc. So should we all stop recycling then?----Once again, what is the answer?

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>"quercusrobur2002"

> > > Re: Would you? Could you? (warning- this post contains tongue in cheek content) >Sun, 04 May 2003 13:02:05 -0000 > >A fruitarian diet (derived solely from fruit, as opposed to raw >food, in which all sorts of things such as leaves, sprouts, etc are >used but arn't cooked) in this country (ie, UK) is probably not >viable without being highly dependent on imports- so whilst one >might be avoiding causing 'pain' to the plant (a dubious and >unsubtantiated theory in any case) by relying solely on fruit that >falls from the tree or bush, this would be counteracted by the >damage done by greatly increasing one's overall ecological footprint >and carbon budget. To say nothing of the trees, plants and animal >habitats that would need to be destroyed in order to build more >airports and roads to cope with the increased levels of fruit >importation... (also, in the countries of origin, masses of >indigenous plants would have to be displaced in order to make room >for fruit and nut plantations- no doubt on trees grafted with bees >wax- that are useful to human beings). Would you want this on YOUR >conscience???? > >A raw food diet OTOH is proabably sustainable and even makes >ecological sense (no cooking- hence less fossil fuels burned). A few >years ago I ran a permaculture course with some raw food folks over >in West London, they seemed to sustain themselves pretty well from >locally and home grown produce including all manner of common >garden 'weeds' (including nettles and grass- blended into some kind >of raw pate). But I wouldn't fancy it myself long term... In fact my >co-teacher and I legged it down to the nearest coffee shop at Ealing >station for a quick caffiene fix once the course was finished!!! > >Cheers Graham > > , "Vegecentric"

>wrote: > > Hi Amy, > > Fruit and Veg. are designed by the plant to be eaten - that's how >their seeds are dispersed and propagated. That's also why they don't >have a nervous system to alert to pain or disease, or means to flee >from danger, like animals. By contrast animals, like us, have a >survival instinct so they can breed and prosper. It doesn't make any >sense for plants to feel pain, but B.S. artists still try it anyway. > > > > By the way, I love fruit, but life without soy ice-cream and dark >chocolate sounds pretty dull to me! > > > > Tom > > - > > Amylia F > > > > Saturday, May 03, 2003 8:57 AM > > Would you? Could you? > > > > > > I just finished reading all the postings on "honey." See, >that's why I love you guys. You always have something thought- >provoking to say, and I just eat it up. (Yum!) And now, I've >already asked a similar question to this but, would you, or could >you become a fruitarian? I heard about them 7 years ago. I found >their official website, but haven't had the hours to go through it. >I'm attracted to them, because it just seems so "pure." (I've even >heard they refuse to pick fruit off trees, but instead wait for it >to fall to the ground----that way it's no longer connected to the >source of life, the tree. Once it's on the ground, it's a product >of the tree.---See the difference?) Like I said, it seems pure, >because there are people that believe eating carrots is murder. --- >Why? Because they are pulled out from under the ground, thus ending >their life, unlike apples which are a product of the tree, not the >tree itself. And another thing, I did once have this guy tell me >that eating vegetables hurts plants. I know plants do not have a >face, but do they have feelings? --Well, I feel funny just asking >that question. But does anyone feel they are "killing" plants at >all? Or maybe choosing the lesser of two evils by eating plants >instead of animals?---Just wondering... > > > > > > > > *This message was brought to you by: Amy > > > > > > - >----------- > > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > >