Guest guest Posted March 18, 2003 Report Share Posted March 18, 2003 hi minty and john, i live with a non vegan and it has been a struggle to live with as i used to cook meat as the female partner i took this burden on, but i have found strength to say three months ago that i will no longer cook any meat or dairy products whatsoever, i will cook a vegan meal every nite and thats that.so he eats vegan food and does himself, say a sausage to go with it.my long term aim is to have meat free home again as it was before i met him.every time i pay for meat in the trolley i want to scream. he doesnt realise it, but he looks better and slimmer with regime of chick pea etc lol take care all...................... anyone have a vegan recipe for moussaka??? what to use in the sauce instead of cheese??? catherine xxxx >"John Davis" > > >Re: John: Thanks for the greetings >Tue, 18 Mar 2003 09:42:18 -0000 > >Hi Minty, > >I'm not sure I could be so tolerant. It is perhaps illogical, but I find >myself thinking that my attempts not to use animal products are diminished >when there is milk and cheese sitting in my fridge, paid for with my own >money. Mind you, the fact that you can be so tolerant of a meat-eater >certainly serves as a good example for me, and I'll try and be more tolerant >of non-vegans in my family. > >John >- >"mint_faery" > >Sunday, March 16, 2003 2:44 AM > John: Thanks for the greetings > > > > Hi John, > > > > Sometimes it is awkward; mostly we just tolerate each other's > > beliefs. Believe me, my meat-eating husband eats many vegan or > > vegetarian meals several times during the week. He gets his share of > > flesh at work mostly. A couple times a year I will prepare him meat > > meals but mostly, he must prepare his own. I tolerate his hunting > > because he does eat what he kills and the animal has suffered less > > than a factory farmed animal, at least this is what I think. This is > > how I deal with being in love with a meat eater. > > > > Minty > > , "John Davis" wrote: > > > Hi Minty, > > > > > > > I will meet with great resistance from my husband, who is a die- > > hard > > > > meateater and an active hunter. > > > > > > Blimey. I'm finding it awkward that my wife is not a vegan, but at > > least she > > > is a vegetarian. I'm not sure I could reconcile (if that's the > > right word) > > > such a conflict between my morals and my relationship. How do you > > do it? (if > > > that isn't prying too much, and if it is, apologies and please > > don't > > > answer.) > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > "mint_faery" > > > > > > Wednesday, March 12, 2003 5:39 PM > > > Thanks for the greetings > > > > > > > > > > Hi Shari, > > > > Thanks for the welcome. I don't think I have any easy answers > > about > > > > becoming veggie other than the impact of major life events that > > > > occurred two years ago. One of the biggest factors for the switch > > > > was my inability to stop losing weight on a vegan diet. When I > > was > > > > 15 pounds under the low-range of my acceptable weight for my body > > > > type, I added dairy products again. It took two years to gain > > some > > > > weight back, but did nothing for my conscience. I would just push > > > > the bad thoughts out of my head, convincing myself it was for my > > > > health. > > > > > > > > Well, now that I am 43, I believe my metabolism has slowed > > slightly > > > > and I believe that I can maintain a healthy weight. But more > > > > important, I do not want to consume dairy products nor > > participate > > > > in the dairy industry once so ever. I'm tired on the mind games > > and > > > > know who I am. > > > > > > > > I will meet with great resistance from my husband, who is a die- > > hard > > > > meateater and an active hunter. At this time, I have simply > > chosen > > > > not to tell him I have reverted back to vegan. He will notice > > soon > > > > enough. > > > > > > > > Minty > > > > , "Shari@B..." > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Also - welcome MintFaery. Congrats on reverting back to > > veganism. > > > > But why > > > > > did you become veggie for 2 yrs after being a vegan? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shari Black Velvet > > > > > > > > > > www.blackvelvetmagazine.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > "gluin0" > > > > > > > > > > Monday, March 10, 2003 9:52 PM > > > > > intro and Q: best arguments against > > veganism? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm 23, been vegan for 1 month now, previously a meat-eater. > > It > > > > only > > > > > > took me one evening of reading up online to make the > > decision to > > > > > > change. It feels like a moral obligation to me, I feel that I > > > > have no > > > > > > choice. For me the 2 main reasons for veganism are animal > > > > suffering > > > > > > and then ecological considerations. Only lastly and thirdly > > is > > > > it for > > > > > > health considerations, because I think that both meat eaters > > and > > > > > > veg*'s can eat healthily (or unhealthily). > > > > > > > > > > > > Most of my friends are normal meat eaters. I have a very easy > > > > time > > > > > > defending veganism in rational discourse, mostly because I > > have > > > > given > > > > > > it a lot of thought (and done my research) in comparison to > > their > > > > > > impromptu arguments. > > > > > > So I have been challenged to find out the best arguments > > against > > > > > > veganism, and see if veganism holds up. I'll appreciate any > > > > input on > > > > > > this. Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > I've always half-jokingly said that I am interested in > > hearing > > > > any > > > > > > good arguments against veganism, because I do like to eat > > things > > > > like > > > > > > ice-cream, and just any food in general. And that I would > > only be > > > > > > happy to use animal-products with a clear conscience. But in > > the > > > > > > absence of valid arguments, I have to stick with veganism for > > > > now, > > > > > > because I want my actions to be consistent with my beliefs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2003 Report Share Posted March 19, 2003 I don't have the moussaka recipe, but you can tell your SO that he looks so much sexier when he's eating veg. If it's true, you can suggest that he performs better, too. Danielle ----Original Message Follows---- " Catherine Harris " <cait2 Re: living with non vegans Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:25:38 +0000 " Where is the questioning where is the protest song? Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same Those who disagree are afraid to show their face " --Sleater-Kinney _______________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail hi minty and john, i live with a non vegan and it has been a struggle to live with as i used to cook meat as the female partner i took this burden on, but i have found strength to say three months ago that i will no longer cook any meat or dairy products whatsoever, i will cook a vegan meal every nite and thats that.so he eats vegan food and does himself, say a sausage to go with it.my long term aim is to have meat free home again as it was before i met him.every time i pay for meat in the trolley i want to scream. he doesnt realise it, but he looks better and slimmer with regime of chick pea etc lol take care all...................... anyone have a vegan recipe for moussaka??? what to use in the sauce instead of cheese??? catherine xxxx >"John Davis" > > >Re: John: Thanks for the greetings >Tue, 18 Mar 2003 09:42:18 -0000 > >Hi Minty, > >I'm not sure I could be so tolerant. It is perhaps illogical, but I find >myself thinking that my attempts not to use animal products are diminished >when there is milk and cheese sitting in my fridge, paid for with my own >money. Mind you, the fact that you can be so tolerant of a meat-eater >certainly serves as a good example for me, and I'll try and be more tolerant >of non-vegans in my family. > >John >- >"mint_faery" > >Sunday, March 16, 2003 2:44 AM > John: Thanks for the greetings > > > > Hi John, > > > > Sometimes it is awkward; mostly we just tolerate each other's > > beliefs. Believe me, my meat-eating husband eats many vegan or > > vegetarian meals several times during the week. He gets his share of > > flesh at work mostly. A couple times a year I will prepare him meat > > meals but mostly, he must prepare his own. I tolerate his hunting > > because he does eat what he kills and the animal has suffered less > > than a factory farmed animal, at least this is what I think. This is > > how I deal with being in love with a meat eater. > > > > Minty > > , "John Davis" wrote: > > > Hi Minty, > > > > > > > I will meet with great resistance from my husband, who is a die- > > hard > > > > meateater and an active hunter. > > > > > > Blimey. I'm finding it awkward that my wife is not a vegan, but at > > least she > > > is a vegetarian. I'm not sure I could reconcile (if that's the > > right word) > > > such a conflict between my morals and my relationship. How do you > > do it? (if > > > that isn't prying too much, and if it is, apologies and please > > don't > > > answer.) > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > "mint_faery" > > > > > > Wednesday, March 12, 2003 5:39 PM > > > Thanks for the greetings > > > > > > > > > > Hi Shari, > > > > Thanks for the welcome. I don't think I have any easy answers > > about > > > > becoming veggie other than the impact of major life events that > > > > occurred two years ago. One of the biggest factors for the switch > > > > was my inability to stop losing weight on a vegan diet. When I > > was > > > > 15 pounds under the low-range of my acceptable weight for my body > > > > type, I added dairy products again. It took two years to gain > > some > > > > weight back, but did nothing for my conscience. I would just push > > > > the bad thoughts out of my head, convincing myself it was for my > > > > health. > > > > > > > > Well, now that I am 43, I believe my metabolism has slowed > > slightly > > > > and I believe that I can maintain a healthy weight. But more > > > > important, I do not want to consume dairy products nor > > participate > > > > in the dairy industry once so ever. I'm tired on the mind games > > and > > > > know who I am. > > > > > > > > I will meet with great resistance from my husband, who is a die- > > hard > > > > meateater and an active hunter. At this time, I have simply > > chosen > > > > not to tell him I have reverted back to vegan. He will notice > > soon > > > > enough. > > > > > > > > Minty > > > > , "Shari@B..." > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Also - welcome MintFaery. Congrats on reverting back to > > veganism. > > > > But why > > > > > did you become veggie for 2 yrs after being a vegan? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shari Black Velvet > > > > > > > > > > www.blackvelvetmagazine.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > "gluin0" > > > > > > > > > > Monday, March 10, 2003 9:52 PM > > > > > intro and Q: best arguments against > > veganism? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm 23, been vegan for 1 month now, previously a meat-eater. > > It > > > > only > > > > > > took me one evening of reading up online to make the > > decision to > > > > > > change. It feels like a moral obligation to me, I feel that I > > > > have no > > > > > > choice. For me the 2 main reasons for veganism are animal > > > > suffering > > > > > > and then ecological considerations. Only lastly and thirdly > > is > > > > it for > > > > > > health considerations, because I think that both meat eaters > > and > > > > > > veg*'s can eat healthily (or unhealthily). > > > > > > > > > > > > Most of my friends are normal meat eaters. I have a very easy > > > > time > > > > > > defending veganism in rational discourse, mostly because I > > have > > > > given > > > > > > it a lot of thought (and done my research) in comparison to > > their > > > > > > impromptu arguments. > > > > > > So I have been challenged to find out the best arguments > > against > > > > > > veganism, and see if veganism holds up. I'll appreciate any > > > > input on > > > > > > this. Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > I've always half-jokingly said that I am interested in > > hearing > > > > any > > > > > > good arguments against veganism, because I do like to eat > > things > > > > like > > > > > > ice-cream, and just any food in general. And that I would > > only be > > > > > > happy to use animal-products with a clear conscience. But in > > the > > > > > > absence of valid arguments, I have to stick with veganism for > > > > now, > > > > > > because I want my actions to be consistent with my beliefs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2003 Report Share Posted March 22, 2003 i THINK I SAW A RECIPIE ONCE THAT USED BUTTER BEANS BLENDED TO MAKE THE WHITE SAUCE, THINNED DOWN A BIT I WOULD IMAGINE WITH A THIN STOCK AND SOME SEASONING....... > Peter H -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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