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Hi Sierra;

 

Where did you read that about Agave? On this website, Agave is listed as the

lowest on the GI. Agave is 14 whereas table sugar (sucrose) is 92.

 

http://www.elitefitness.com/articledata/glycemic.html

 

Deborah

 

 

, " Jae Jones "

<recyclednew wrote:

Agave nectar is a good sugar substitute and a low glycemic index

> food.

 

I've been reading lately that this is not true. Too bad--I love agave!

 

Sierra

 

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I read it on a blog as a quote from Dr. Gabriel Cousens. Here's some

additional info:

 

-My answer to the question, " Is agave nectar good for us? " would

be " NO " based on my research. Here is a sample of my findings:

 

Agave Syrup is not a " whole " food. It is a fractionated and processed

food. Manufacturers take the liquid portion of the agave plant

and " boil " it down, thus concentrating the sugar to make it sweet.

This is similar to how maple " sap " that comes directly from a tree is

heated and concentrated to make maple " syrup. " Agave Syrup is

missing many of the nutrients that the original plant had to begin

with.

Agave Syrup was originally used to make tequila. When Agave Syrup

ferments, it literally turns into tequila. The enzymatic activity

therefore MUST be stopped so that the syrup will not turn into

tequila in your cupboard. Raw or not, if there is no enzymatic

activity, it is certainly not a " live " food. As Raw Foodists, we

want the enzymes intact.

According to my research, there are three major producers of agave

syrup. Some of these companies also have other divisions that make

Tequila. For the most part, agave syrup is produced in the

Guadalajara region in Mexico. There are those within the industry

who I have spoken to at various trade shows who say that some of the

agave syrup is " watered down " with corn syrup in Mexico before it is

exported to the USA. Why is this done? Most likely because Agave

Syrup is expensive, and corn syrup is cheap.

Agave Syrup is advertised as " low glycemic " and marketed towards

diabetics. It is true, that agave itself is low glycemic. We have

to consider why agave syrup is " low glycemic. " It is due to the

unusually high concentration of fructose (90%) compared to the small

amount of glucose (10%). Nowhere in nature does this ratio of

fructose to glucose occur naturally. One of the next closest foods

that contain almost this concentration of glucose to fructose is high

fructose corn syrup, which may contain up to 80% fructose. Even

though fructose is low on the glycemic index, there are numerous

problems associated with the consumption of fructose in such high

concentrations as found in concentrated sweeteners:

A. Fructose appears to interfere with copper metabolism. This

causes collagen and elastin being unable to form. Collagen and

elastin are connective tissue which essentially hold the body

together.1 A deficiency in copper can also lead to bone fragility,

anemia, defects of the arteries and bone, infertility, high

cholesterol levels, heart attacks and ironically enough an inability

to control blood sugar levels.2

 

B. Research suggests that fructose actually promotes disease more

readily than glucose. This is because glucose is metabolized by

every cell in the body, and fructose must be metabolized by the

liver. 3 Tests on animals show that the livers of animals fed large

amounts of fructose develop fatty deposits and cirrohosis of the

liver. This is similar to the livers of alcoholics.

 

C. " Pure " isolated fructose contains no enzymes, vitamins or

minerals and may rob the body of these nutrients in order to

assimilate itself for physiological use.4

 

D. Fructose may contribute to diabetic conditions. It reduces the

sensitivity of insulin receptors. Insulin receptors are the way

glucose enters a cell to be metabolized. As a result, the body needs

to make more insulin to handle the same amount of glucose.5

 

E. Consumption of fructose has been shown to cause a significant

increase in uric acid. An increase in uric acid can be an indicator

of heart diease.6

 

F. Fructose consumption has been shown to increase blood lactic

acid, especially for people with conditions such as diabetes.

Extreme elevations may cause metabolic acidosis.7

 

G. Consumption of fructose leads to mineral losses, especially

excretions of iron, magnesium, calcium and zinc compared to subjects

fed sucrose.8

 

H. Fructose may cause accelerated aging through oxidative damage.

Scientists found that rats given fructose had more cross-linking

changes in the collagen of their skin than other groups fed glucose.

These changes are thought to be markers for aging.9

 

I. Fructose can make you fat! It is metabolized by the liver

and converts to fat more easily than any other sugar. Fructose also

raises serum triglycerides (blood fats) significantly.10

 

Agave Syrup and other concentrated sweeteners are addictive, so you

end up trading a cooked addiction (eating candy bars or cookies) for

a " raw " addiction which is not much better. Eating concentrated

sweeteners makes it harder to enjoy the sweet foods we should be

eating – whole fresh fruit since they don't seem as sweet by

comparison.

Long-time raw foodist and medical doctor, Dr. Gabriel Cousens, M.D.

says that agave nectar raises blood sugar just like any other sugar.

Dr. Cousens wrote a book, " There Is a Cure for Diabetes " .

Whole fruits generally contain a much smaller amount of fructose

compared to sucrose and glucose. In addition, fruits contain

vitamins, minerals, phytonutrients, fiber, and other nutrients. Our

bodies are designed to digest a complete " package " of nutrition that

appears in whole, fresh, ripe fruits. Could nature be wrong? For

example, it's always better to eat fruits whole or blend them rather

than juice them. When you juice fruits you remove the fiber which

helps to slow down the absorption of the sugars. Concentrated

sweeteners also contain no fiber and have much greater concentrations

of simple sugars than are found in fresh fruit or even juices.

 

 

-- In , " Deborah Pageau "

<dpageau wrote:

>

> Hi Sierra;

>

> Where did you read that about Agave? On this website, Agave is

listed as the lowest on the GI. Agave is 14 whereas table sugar

(sucrose) is 92.

>

> http://www.elitefitness.com/articledata/glycemic.html

>

> Deborah

>

>

> , " Jae Jones "

> <recyclednew@> wrote:

> Agave nectar is a good sugar substitute and a low glycemic index

> > food.

>

> I've been reading lately that this is not true. Too bad--I love

agave!

>

> Sierra

>

> .

>

>

>

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Thanks Sierra.

 

I see that Dr. Cousens is saying (below), that in fact, it is low on the GI.

Even so, since he is a raw foodist, it makes sense for him to come down on it so

hard. It's not raw; I imagine he would come down equally hard on any cooked

foods.

 

Referring to the parts of his statement below, I certainly agree with him about

whole fruit being preferrable to it's fractionated parts. My family and I ate

100% raw for about 2 1/2 years. It was definitely good for us for awhile,

although it was very hard on our social life and it was impossible to get warm

in our damp, cold Canadian winter. That second winter, we went back to a more

conventional gluten-free, low-fat, low-sodium vegan diet without any problem.

 

Personally, I think a lot of the benefit gained by raw diets may be because they

tend to gluten free! When I asked Dr. John McDougall his opinion of 100% raw

diet, he answered " Most people don't have to go that far to get the results they

want. " I agree.

 

Even so, the reality is that Agave syrup is clearly lower on the GI index.

Let's bear in mind that eating any food, raw or cooked, raises blood sugar. The

trick is raising it gradually and less intensely. As part of a diet that

contains cooked foods, Agave syrup is a good choice as a sweentener because it

will, in fact, raise it more slowly and less strongly than many whole foods.

 

For example, as we can see on this webpage about GI,

http://www.elitefitness.com/articledata/glycemic.html Agave is listed as 14.

The smaller the number, the slower and less the raise in blood sugar. Pineapple

is 94. Dates are 141. Fresh apricots are 82. Pawpaw (papaya) is 83. If you go

through the list, you will see that many whole grains and legumes are also

higher than Agave on the GI. So if you want a natural sweentener that is easy

on your blood sugar, Agave is a good choice.

 

That was all I wanted to clarify.

 

Deborah

 

 

 

 

I read it on a blog as a quote from Dr. Gabriel Cousens. <snip>

 

Agave Syrup is advertised as " low glycemic " and marketed towards

diabetics. It is true, that agave itself is low glycemic. <snip>

 

Long-time raw foodist and medical doctor, Dr. Gabriel Cousens, M.D.

says that agave nectar raises blood sugar just like any other sugar.

Dr. Cousens wrote a book, " There Is a Cure for Diabetes " .

Whole fruits generally contain a much smaller amount of fructose

compared to sucrose and glucose. In addition, fruits contain

vitamins, minerals, phytonutrients, fiber, and other nutrients. Our

bodies are designed to digest a complete " package " of nutrition that

appears in whole, fresh, ripe fruits. Could nature be wrong? For

example, it's always better to eat fruits whole or blend them rather

than juice them. When you juice fruits you remove the fiber which

helps to slow down the absorption of the sugars. Concentrated

sweeteners also contain no fiber and have much greater concentrations

of simple sugars than are found in fresh fruit or even juices.

 

.

 

 

 

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Agave info...

http://www.blueagavenectar.com/notallagavesarecreatedequal.html

 

I'd also like to note that a lot of the studies doctors do takes things to

the extreme! It doesn't state how much agave is being consumed for these

studies or the health of the participants starting out. Anything in excess

is bad for you. You can develop serious health problems taking too many

vitamins! The average person is only using a small amount of agave to

sweeten coffee, tea or baked goods. If your using a cup or more a day then

obviously your going to suffer some serious consequences! Moderation is key.

As far as addictiveness goes, some people are naturally prone to addictive

behaviors, which are more psychological than anything. I generally tend to

have an addictive personality, but I have not had any problems with agave!

In fact, since I've started using agave, I have cut way back on my sweets to

the point where sometimes I go 2-3 weeks without any sweets or agave!

Before I was consuming a diet of virtually all junk food and I craved

sweets non stop, even after overindulging on them! I don't crave sweets any

more and usually pass on offers to have some! From my personal study, I

conclude that it's actually beneficial to people with addictive

personalities! The bottle of agave I have had for over a month and I

haven't even used 1/4 of it! I simply don't need sugar anymore!

As far as raw diets go, 60-80% raw is sufficient for most people. I tried

the 100% raw diet and couldn't do it. I am always cold and when trying to go

all raw, the cold was so deeply penetrating that with my house temperature

at 75 degrees, 3 layers of clothes and 4 blankets wrapped around me, I could

not get warm! Being anemic doesn't help either, but my iron was at normal

levels and I was taking the supplements! Raw diets are not appropriate for

everyone. I don't believe any type of diet is appropriate for everyone! We

have different blood types, genetic predispositions, and health concerns,

which all need to be taken into consideration before adapting to a diet.

Pick up any random diet book and one of the first things you see inside it

is a disclaimer that a doctor should be consulted before making dietary

changes! Activist have tunnel vision and only see what they find right for

them as a universal truth that all should believe and adapt to. What I

believe and what I do in my life is right for me and I appreciate when

others respect my choices, and in turn, I respect their right to choose what

works for them. Many wars have been fought and much blood spilled over

intolerance and lack of understanding. I do not care for activist

(especially when they are doctors) because they have a tendency of forcing

their will on to others.

 

J

 

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Deborah Pageau <dpageau wrote:

 

> Thanks Sierra.

>

> I see that Dr. Cousens is saying (below), that in fact, it is low on the

> GI. Even so, since he is a raw foodist, it makes sense for him to come down

> on it so hard. It's not raw; I imagine he would come down equally hard on

> any cooked foods.

>

> Referring to the parts of his statement below, I certainly agree with him

> about whole fruit being preferrable to it's fractionated parts. My family

> and I ate 100% raw for about 2 1/2 years. It was definitely good for us for

> awhile, although it was very hard on our social life and it was impossible

> to get warm in our damp, cold Canadian winter. That second winter, we went

> back to a more conventional gluten-free, low-fat, low-sodium vegan diet

> without any problem.

>

> Personally, I think a lot of the benefit gained by raw diets may be because

> they tend to gluten free! When I asked Dr. John McDougall his opinion of

> 100% raw diet, he answered " Most people don't have to go that far to get the

> results they want. " I agree.

>

> Even so, the reality is that Agave syrup is clearly lower on the GI index.

> Let's bear in mind that eating any food, raw or cooked, raises blood sugar.

> The trick is raising it gradually and less intensely. As part of a diet that

> contains cooked foods, Agave syrup is a good choice as a sweentener because

> it will, in fact, raise it more slowly and less strongly than many whole

> foods.

>

> For example, as we can see on this webpage about GI,

> http://www.elitefitness.com/articledata/glycemic.html Agave is listed as

> 14. The smaller the number, the slower and less the raise in blood sugar.

> Pineapple is 94. Dates are 141. Fresh apricots are 82. Pawpaw (papaya) is

> 83. If you go through the list, you will see that many whole grains and

> legumes are also higher than Agave on the GI. So if you want a natural

> sweentener that is easy on your blood sugar, Agave is a good choice.

>

> That was all I wanted to clarify.

>

> Deborah

>

> I read it on a blog as a quote from Dr. Gabriel Cousens. <snip>

>

>

> Agave Syrup is advertised as " low glycemic " and marketed towards

> diabetics. It is true, that agave itself is low glycemic. <snip>

>

> Long-time raw foodist and medical doctor, Dr. Gabriel Cousens, M.D.

> says that agave nectar raises blood sugar just like any other sugar.

> Dr. Cousens wrote a book, " There Is a Cure for Diabetes " .

> Whole fruits generally contain a much smaller amount of fructose

> compared to sucrose and glucose. In addition, fruits contain

> vitamins, minerals, phytonutrients, fiber, and other nutrients. Our

> bodies are designed to digest a complete " package " of nutrition that

> appears in whole, fresh, ripe fruits. Could nature be wrong? For

> example, it's always better to eat fruits whole or blend them rather

> than juice them. When you juice fruits you remove the fiber which

> helps to slow down the absorption of the sugars. Concentrated

> sweeteners also contain no fiber and have much greater concentrations

> of simple sugars than are found in fresh fruit or even juices.

>

> .

>

>

>

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Excellent information. THANK YOU!!!

 

Linda

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snowdrift52003

7/21/2008 12:20:04 AM

 

Re: Agave and the Glycemic Index

 

I read it on a blog as a quote from Dr. Gabriel Cousens. Here's some

additional info:

 

-My answer to the question, " Is agave nectar good for us? " would

be " NO " based on my research. Here is a sample of my findings:

 

Agave Syrup is not a " whole " food. It is a fractionated and processed

food. Manufacturers take the liquid portion of the agave plant

and " boil " it down, thus concentrating the sugar to make it sweet.

This is similar to how maple " sap " that comes directly from a tree is

heated and concentrated to make maple " syrup. " Agave Syrup is

missing many of the nutrients that the original plant had to begin

with.

Agave Syrup was originally used to make tequila. When Agave Syrup

ferments, it literally turns into tequila. The enzymatic activity

therefore MUST be stopped so that the syrup will not turn into

tequila in your cupboard. Raw or not, if there is no enzymatic

activity, it is certainly not a " live " food. As Raw Foodists, we

want the enzymes intact.

According to my research, there are three major producers of agave

syrup. Some of these companies also have other divisions that make

Tequila. For the most part, agave syrup is produced in the

Guadalajara region in Mexico. There are those within the industry

who I have spoken to at various trade shows who say that some of the

agave syrup is " watered down " with corn syrup in Mexico before it is

exported to the USA. Why is this done? Most likely because Agave

Syrup is expensive, and corn syrup is cheap.

Agave Syrup is advertised as " low glycemic " and marketed towards

diabetics. It is true, that agave itself is low glycemic. We have

to consider why agave syrup is " low glycemic. " It is due to the

unusually high concentration of fructose (90%) compared to the small

amount of glucose (10%). Nowhere in nature does this ratio of

fructose to glucose occur naturally. One of the next closest foods

that contain almost this concentration of glucose to fructose is high

fructose corn syrup, which may contain up to 80% fructose. Even

though fructose is low on the glycemic index, there are numerous

problems associated with the consumption of fructose in such high

concentrations as found in concentrated sweeteners:

A. Fructose appears to interfere with copper metabolism. This

causes collagen and elastin being unable to form. Collagen and

elastin are connective tissue which essentially hold the body

together.1 A deficiency in copper can also lead to bone fragility,

anemia, defects of the arteries and bone, infertility, high

cholesterol levels, heart attacks and ironically enough an inability

to control blood sugar levels.2

 

B. Research suggests that fructose actually promotes disease more

readily than glucose. This is because glucose is metabolized by

every cell in the body, and fructose must be metabolized by the

liver. 3 Tests on animals show that the livers of animals fed large

amounts of fructose develop fatty deposits and cirrohosis of the

liver. This is similar to the livers of alcoholics.

 

C. " Pure " isolated fructose contains no enzymes, vitamins or

minerals and may rob the body of these nutrients in order to

assimilate itself for physiological use.4

 

D. Fructose may contribute to diabetic conditions. It reduces the

sensitivity of insulin receptors. Insulin receptors are the way

glucose enters a cell to be metabolized. As a result, the body needs

to make more insulin to handle the same amount of glucose.5

 

E. Consumption of fructose has been shown to cause a significant

increase in uric acid. An increase in uric acid can be an indicator

of heart diease.6

 

F. Fructose consumption has been shown to increase blood lactic

acid, especially for people with conditions such as diabetes.

Extreme elevations may cause metabolic acidosis.7

 

G. Consumption of fructose leads to mineral losses, especially

excretions of iron, magnesium, calcium and zinc compared to subjects

fed sucrose.8

 

H. Fructose may cause accelerated aging through oxidative damage.

Scientists found that rats given fructose had more cross-linking

changes in the collagen of their skin than other groups fed glucose.

These changes are thought to be markers for aging.9

 

I. Fructose can make you fat! It is metabolized by the liver

and converts to fat more easily than any other sugar. Fructose also

raises serum triglycerides (blood fats) significantly.10

 

Agave Syrup and other concentrated sweeteners are addictive, so you

end up trading a cooked addiction (eating candy bars or cookies) for

a " raw " addiction which is not much better. Eating concentrated

sweeteners makes it harder to enjoy the sweet foods we should be

eating – whole fresh fruit since they don't seem as sweet by

comparison.

Long-time raw foodist and medical doctor, Dr. Gabriel Cousens, M.D.

says that agave nectar raises blood sugar just like any other sugar.

Dr. Cousens wrote a book, " There Is a Cure for Diabetes " .

Whole fruits generally contain a much smaller amount of fructose

compared to sucrose and glucose. In addition, fruits contain

vitamins, minerals, phytonutrients, fiber, and other nutrients. Our

bodies are designed to digest a complete " package " of nutrition that

appears in whole, fresh, ripe fruits. Could nature be wrong? For

example, it's always better to eat fruits whole or blend them rather

than juice them. When you juice fruits you remove the fiber which

helps to slow down the absorption of the sugars. Concentrated

sweeteners also contain no fiber and have much greater concentrations

of simple sugars than are found in fresh fruit or even juices.

 

 

-- In , " Deborah Pageau "

<dpageau wrote:

>

> Hi Sierra;

>

> Where did you read that about Agave? On this website, Agave is

listed as the lowest on the GI. Agave is 14 whereas table sugar

(sucrose) is 92.

>

> http://www.elitefitness.com/articledata/glycemic.html

>

> Deborah

>

>

> , " Jae Jones "

> <recyclednew@> wrote:

> Agave nectar is a good sugar substitute and a low glycemic index

> > food.

>

> I've been reading lately that this is not true. Too bad--I love

agave!

>

> Sierra

>

> .

>

>

>

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All good points Jae.

 

I experience Agave as less addictive than table sugar too. I suspect this is

due to it's low GI. The more slowly a food digests and the less it raises the

blood sugar, the less addictive it tends to be. Since Agave is also free of any

active narcotics (such as caffeine, etc), it provides less of a " hit " .

 

High GI foods tend to be more addictive than lower ones because they enter the

blood stream quickly and with more intensity. This results in a sudden increase

in energy. That " charge " is the experience that can be addictive for many

people.

 

Regarding raw diet, your description of that bone-deep cold when eating a raw

diet in cold weather was the way I felt too. However, I do tend to gravitate

naturally more in that direction in summer when fresh fruit and salad veggies

are more abundantly available then anyway. I find that there is nothing more

pleasant and refreshing as a large slice of watermelon on a hot day! :-)

 

Deborah

 

 

 

Agave info...

http://www.blueagavenectar.com/notallagavesarecreatedequal.html

 

I'd also like to note that a lot of the studies doctors do takes things to

the extreme! It doesn't state how much agave is being consumed for these

studies or the health of the participants starting out. Anything in excess

is bad for you. You can develop serious health problems taking too many

vitamins! The average person is only using a small amount of agave to

sweeten coffee, tea or baked goods. If your using a cup or more a day then

obviously your going to suffer some serious consequences! Moderation is key.

As far as addictiveness goes, some people are naturally prone to addictive

behaviors, which are more psychological than anything. I generally tend to

have an addictive personality, but I have not had any problems with agave!

In fact, since I've started using agave, I have cut way back on my sweets to

the point where sometimes I go 2-3 weeks without any sweets or agave!

Before I was consuming a diet of virtually all junk food and I craved

sweets non stop, even after overindulging on them! I don't crave sweets any

more and usually pass on offers to have some! From my personal study, I

conclude that it's actually beneficial to people with addictive

personalities! The bottle of agave I have had for over a month and I

haven't even used 1/4 of it! I simply don't need sugar anymore!

As far as raw diets go, 60-80% raw is sufficient for most people. I tried

the 100% raw diet and couldn't do it. I am always cold and when trying to go

all raw, the cold was so deeply penetrating that with my house temperature

at 75 degrees, 3 layers of clothes and 4 blankets wrapped around me, I could

not get warm! Being anemic doesn't help either, but my iron was at normal

levels and I was taking the supplements! Raw diets are not appropriate for

everyone. I don't believe any type of diet is appropriate for everyone! We

have different blood types, genetic predispositions, and health concerns,

which all need to be taken into consideration before adapting to a diet.

Pick up any random diet book and one of the first things you see inside it

is a disclaimer that a doctor should be consulted before making dietary

changes! Activist have tunnel vision and only see what they find right for

them as a universal truth that all should believe and adapt to. What I

believe and what I do in my life is right for me and I appreciate when

others respect my choices, and in turn, I respect their right to choose what

works for them. Many wars have been fought and much blood spilled over

intolerance and lack of understanding. I do not care for activist

(especially when they are doctors) because they have a tendency of forcing

their will on to others.

 

J

.

 

 

 

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