Working Out

[Guest guest]

I have to say a few things: For the claim that you can do weight

gaining muscle building exercises on raw, I call pure BS! And let us

be clear here, because I am sure the people who say you can do it are

hiding the fact that they must be getting sources of protein and fat

from somewhere else. i.e., I work out on pure raw (but I really mean

I do light aerobics and I eat fat and protein from sources I am simply

not telling you about).

 

So what is raw: Raw is eating raw fruits and veggies (and nuts),

okay? Not raw fruits and veggies with some secret protein source

you're not telling us about.

I starved for the first week doing muscle building exercise eating

only fruit and veggies AND quinoa and millet. Look it is simple: You

need protein to build muscle!

The whole idea that fruit and veggies provide fundamental " enzymes "

for building muscle is a complete mis-understanding of what an enzyme

is. An enzyme is simply a CATALYST for chemical reactions! Enzymes

can help create muscle if some particular catalytic chemical process

is required to do so, but the enzyme NEEDS PROTEIN to react with!, to

convert one type of protein to another!

 

About getting protein from grains like quinoa: Do you know how much

volume of food a single cup of quinoa produces when cooked? It is

LOTS! AND that provides only 22grams of protein! You can simply not

stuff enough quinoa into your gut to get enough protein if you need

200-300 grams a day for building muscle (as a man 200lb at 6'5 " ). My

lord that would be 10 cups UNCOOKED, which would make like 40 cups or

more cooked! You wouldn't be able to afford that for one thing, let

alone fit it inside you!

Nuts? Same goes for nuts...you would need to eat untold cups of them

and they are already much more expensive than simple grain!

 

Again let me clear: I am not talking about eating 90% fruits and

veggies for MAINTAINING your body. That you can do just fine. But

you can not healthily gain muscle mass without adding more protein to

your diet!

 

When I started protein shakes after the first week of starving, I felt

so much better, and much more satiated. I take 5 22gram shakes spread

throughout the day, plus I still eat all the fruits and veggies and

grain I was before. And I am still dropping remaining fat stores like

crazy and slowly building muscle. I eat one or 2 avocados a day as well.

 

Again let me be clear: I am working out to build muscle, I am NOT

doing LIGHT aerobics to lose a few pounds!

 

So, that's my take. You might tell I am a little angry, but it is

just because I am quite annoyed at the mis-information out there about

eating fruits and veggies (which contain very little protein for

volume of food you must consume) on a muscle building exercise program.

I have read in many books about raw food that " You dont need protein

to build muscle you need enzymes. " That is pure BS! Protein supplies

the base amino acids which can be recombined into human protein -

thats what enzymes do! Enzymes dont create new muscle protein out of

thin air, they need a protein source to act on, to break down to amino

acid level and recombine into human protein.

 

So I am sure all the raw food fanboys and fangirls out there might go

nuts about this. I am a raw foodist 100%, and I too have told people

you can work out on raw WITHOUT HAVING TRIED IT MYSELF. I have now

tried it, and I know can't be done.

 

So for the people who just want to flame what I said, tell me one

thing: How do I get 250 grams of protein a day from raw food, in a

volume a person can actually fit inside their stomach without hurting

themselves?

Don't tell me I don't need 250 grams a day (on and after workout

days). I am taking that and using it all just fine. Heck for that

matter, how would I even get 100 grams a day?

[Guest guest]

I agree with Joe.

 

When I have been working out really hard- running 6+

miles several times a week/lifting weights multiple

times a week/kickboxing and high cardio classes-I

crave protein.

 

I don't eat meat, so that's obviously not where I get

my protein. When I feel that my body needs protein,

in the past I have eaten veggie chili, protein shakes,

nuts and peanut butter. Since I've been trying to go

raw, while trying to train for a half marathon (2nd

one this year), I have really struggled with getting

all of the protein from a raw source. It's not even

that I care about the amount of protein- I just know

that my body does crave it.

 

 

 

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Just seeking clarification. You seem to be saying up front

that using a protein shake would not be considered raw, yet

later you say you consume 5 such shakes daily and yet call

yourself 100% raw. So, which is it? Have you perhaps found

a 100% raw protein shake? (I do believe they exist.) And,

if that's the case, why are you questioning the feasibility,

if you have accomplished it? I'm a little confused.

 

 

Thanks,

-Erin

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[Guest guest]

Thank you Joe.

 

I have also wondered how the men in my life could possibly make

through the days when they worked hard physical labor all day.

Especially in the very cold weather.

I just don't believe for one second they would have made it long on

just fruits and veggies. And they sure could not stop often to keep

refueling on the fruits and veggies and a handfull of nuts.

It takes tremedous energy just to keep your body warm in very cold

weather.

 

Also, it takes a lot of money to eat all these fruits and veggies

too. It takes so much of it. I sometimes feel like a cow grazing.LOL

 

Someone as big yourself must eat a couple of a bushel or two of

fruits and veggies a day, just to attempt to keep your strength up to

work out.

 

But now my question.

You say a body needs protien to build muscle. (I know this already)

And you are building muscle, but you are also 100% raw.

Where are you getting your protein from? Is it raw meat?

 

 

Belinda

 

 

 

> I have to say a few things: For the claim that you can do weight

> gaining muscle building exercises on raw, I call pure BS! And let

us

> be clear here, because I am sure the people who say you can do it

are

> hiding the fact that they must be getting sources of protein and fat

> from somewhere else. i.e., I work out on pure raw (but I really

mean

> I do light aerobics and I eat fat and protein from sources I am

simply

> not telling you about).

>

> So what is raw: Raw is eating raw fruits and veggies (and nuts),

> okay? Not raw fruits and veggies with some secret protein source

> you're not telling us about.

> I starved for the first week doing muscle building exercise eating

> only fruit and veggies AND quinoa and millet. Look it is simple:

You

> need protein to build muscle!

> The whole idea that fruit and veggies provide fundamental " enzymes "

> for building muscle is a complete mis-understanding of what an

enzyme

> is. An enzyme is simply a CATALYST for chemical reactions! Enzymes

> can help create muscle if some particular catalytic chemical process

> is required to do so, but the enzyme NEEDS PROTEIN to react with!,

to

> convert one type of protein to another!

>

> About getting protein from grains like quinoa: Do you know how much

> volume of food a single cup of quinoa produces when cooked? It is

> LOTS! AND that provides only 22grams of protein! You can simply

not

> stuff enough quinoa into your gut to get enough protein if you need

> 200-300 grams a day for building muscle (as a man 200lb at 6'5 " ).

My

> lord that would be 10 cups UNCOOKED, which would make like 40 cups

or

> more cooked! You wouldn't be able to afford that for one thing, let

> alone fit it inside you!

> Nuts? Same goes for nuts...you would need to eat untold cups of

them

> and they are already much more expensive than simple grain!

>

> Again let me clear: I am not talking about eating 90% fruits and

> veggies for MAINTAINING your body. That you can do just fine. But

> you can not healthily gain muscle mass without adding more protein

to

> your diet!

>

> When I started protein shakes after the first week of starving, I

felt

> so much better, and much more satiated. I take 5 22gram shakes

spread

> throughout the day, plus I still eat all the fruits and veggies and

> grain I was before. And I am still dropping remaining fat stores

like

> crazy and slowly building muscle. I eat one or 2 avocados a day as

well.

>

> Again let me be clear: I am working out to build muscle, I am NOT

> doing LIGHT aerobics to lose a few pounds!

>

> So, that's my take. You might tell I am a little angry, but it is

> just because I am quite annoyed at the mis-information out there

about

> eating fruits and veggies (which contain very little protein for

> volume of food you must consume) on a muscle building exercise

program.

> I have read in many books about raw food that " You dont need protein

> to build muscle you need enzymes. " That is pure BS! Protein

supplies

> the base amino acids which can be recombined into human protein -

> thats what enzymes do! Enzymes dont create new muscle protein out

of

> thin air, they need a protein source to act on, to break down to

amino

> acid level and recombine into human protein.

>

> So I am sure all the raw food fanboys and fangirls out there might

go

> nuts about this. I am a raw foodist 100%, and I too have told

people

> you can work out on raw WITHOUT HAVING TRIED IT MYSELF. I have now

> tried it, and I know can't be done.

>

> So for the people who just want to flame what I said, tell me one

> thing: How do I get 250 grams of protein a day from raw food, in a

> volume a person can actually fit inside their stomach without

hurting

> themselves?

> Don't tell me I don't need 250 grams a day (on and after workout

> days). I am taking that and using it all just fine. Heck for that

> matter, how would I even get 100 grams a day?

>

[Guest guest]

I know El is going to immediately correct me. But I will say it

anyway. Your body craves what it needs. Pure and simple. But

sometimes we don't always recognize exactly what it craves and we try

to eat something else. Yet the cravings continue.

 

When I was pregnant with my first child, I amazingly craved things

that I have never, ever liked. I mean stuff I hated. I was never

much of a veggie eater. Meaning green veggies and stuff. I always

liked beans and potatoes.

And ate fruit just sometimes, but never really craved it.

 

But with my first pregnancy, the craving for these things came before

I even knew I was pregnant. I was craving things that I never had,

and couldn't understand it. An old lady I worked with guessed right

off I was pregnant.

I was, and continued to crave and eat the things that were good for

me.

 

Now I know we " crave " things that are not good for us too. But I

think that is more psycological. It is just something that we enjoy

the taste of. Just like we " crave " to do certain activities, and to

see certain people, etc.

 

When we really know our bodies and are in tune with it, our bodies

will let us know what we need to fuel it with. The tricky part is

telling the difference in what our body needs and what we just want

to put in it.

 

 

Belinda

 

 

 

 

> I agree with Joe.

>

> When I have been working out really hard- running 6+

> miles several times a week/lifting weights multiple

> times a week/kickboxing and high cardio classes-I

> crave protein.

>

> I don't eat meat, so that's obviously not where I get

> my protein. When I feel that my body needs protein,

> in the past I have eaten veggie chili, protein shakes,

> nuts and peanut butter. Since I've been trying to go

> raw, while trying to train for a half marathon (2nd

> one this year), I have really struggled with getting

> all of the protein from a raw source. It's not even

> that I care about the amount of protein- I just know

> that my body does crave it.

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

What SPECIFICALLY do you actually crave? You cannot crave protein ... the

expression is a biological oxymoron.

Elchanan

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rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Kerri Myers

Friday, June 29, 2007 7:42 PM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re:Working Out

 

 

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=32368/stime=1183171318/nc1=3848443/nc2=4025291/nc3=4706133> When I have

been working out really hard- running 6+

miles several times a week/lifting weights multiple

times a week/kickboxing and high cardio classes-I

crave protein.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Oh, missed this the first time. These are high-FAT foods, NOT high-protein

foods. There is much mythology created by those who have never looked at the

actual nutrient database. Nuts, as a family, run from 70+ to more than 90%

of calories from fat ... to say that they are a " high-protein food " is

simply incorrect, not even close.

 

It sounds like you are undereating and craving calories, a common problem

among new RFs and especially among those who are physically active. Would

you be willing to keep a food diary at Nutridiary for about 7 days? Then

this will all come completely clear. Without real data, you won't likely see

clearly what your are really doing and eating.

 

We have a free Nutridiary TC and handout, if you wish to see it write

privately, please.

 

Best,

Elchanan

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rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Kerri Myers

Friday, June 29, 2007 7:42 PM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re:Working Out

 

 

When I feel that my body needs protein,

in the past I have eaten veggie chili, protein shakes,

nuts and peanut butter.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Erin, it's easy to create a raw protein shake ... just use raw egg whites by

the truckload. Of course, it won't be vegan ... The problem is with the

protein powders. None, to my knowledge, is raw, and all, to my knowledge,

are seriously toxic to humans. But the effects are corrosive, occurring over

long periods of time in the form of leaching minerals and other direct

effects. The long-term symptoms, such as osteoporosis,

calcifications/arthritis, etc are sufficiently delayed that most people

never make the connection. Learn about the pros and cons of the Pritikin

diet, it's all there.

 

Best,

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Erin

Friday, June 29, 2007 8:15 PM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re: Working Out

 

 

Just seeking clarification. You seem to be saying up front

that using a protein shake would not be considered raw, yet

later you say you consume 5 such shakes daily and yet call

yourself 100% raw. So, which is it? Have you perhaps found

a 100% raw protein shake? (I do believe they exist.) And,

if that's the case, why are you questioning the feasibility,

if you have accomplished it? I'm a little confused.

 

Thanks,

-Erin

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I'm curious...

 

When you experience craving after exercise...

Let's agree that you are craving.

Next question is what is it that you're craving.

 

At other times that you crave, what do you crave.

When you're tired, upset, etc. do you crave?

If so, what do you crave?

 

I know a couple folks that say they are craving protein after

specific kinds of activity - or even before specific activity.

And it's exactly what they crave at other times.

 

My experience with people is that we individually experience specific

types of cravings.

They tend to fall into three primary groups:

1. Fat

2. Sugar

3. Protein

Each may have a secondary component - say Fat and Protein - or Sugar

and Protein, etc.

 

For example, mine is Sugar and Protein. What I know is behind that

craving is the feeling that I get when I eat these together. I get a

huge boost of energy. However I know that it's an enervated burst of

energy and I'll pay for it by feeling my energy depleted later to

some degree - and I'll pay for it in disrupted digestion and it's

attendant gasses and bit of lethargy for a day or two.

 

I have to wonder if there is a similar mechanism at work here.

 

If you've read the China Report you know that they found that it was

high caloric and low protein/fat plant based diet eaten by active

rural workers gave them the strength and endurance to work hard and

long days based on their intake of complex carbs, not protein. I

agree that it's not the same as intentionally putting on muscle mass...

 

And...

Storm Talifero - thegardendiet.com - asserts that ingesting vegan

protein 20 minutes before or after a workout (aerobic and resistance)

seems to be the key to putting on muscle mass. Works for him and a

few others he's coached that I've spoken with.

 

Gotta say, I took a double take when I read that you were trying to

eat 250 gm protein a day... Then thought... if you consume 3000

calories a day - 10% would be 300 grams. So it's not a lot.

 

My other question is how bio-available is the protein you are eating.

You can eat 500 grams a day... If you're body can only digest and

absorb 100, because it's not digestible, you're in a losing cycle.

 

..wyn

The Raw Retreat

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[Guest guest]

I'm wondering how you know it is protein that you crave? I suspect

that your body is merely looking for more fuel, more calories.

 

Janet

 

rawfood , Kerri Myers <twinkles457 wrote:

 

 

I agree with Joe.

 

When I have been working out really hard- running 6+ miles several

times a week/lifting weights multiple times a week/kickboxing and high

cardio classes-I crave protein.

 

I don't eat meat, so that's obviously not where I get my protein.

When I feel that my body needs protein, in the past I have eaten

veggie chili, protein shakes, nuts and peanut butter. Since I've been

trying to go raw, while trying to train for a half marathon (2nd one

this year), I have really struggled with getting all of the protein

from a raw source. It's not even that I care about the amount of

protein- I just know that my body does crave it.

[Guest guest]

What about hemp protein powder? I'm not sure how it is processed, but does claim

to be raw. I think it is merely defatted hemp meal, so it may very well be raw.

Analysis shows all aminos present and in nice ratios, at least the claim is

ratios that resemble blood protein profile. I like the stuff from time to time,

but usually just end up using the whole hemp seed in smoothies. Don't seem to

have any food combining issues with that.

 

Best,

Bobby

 

Elchanan <Elchanan wrote:

Erin, it's easy to create a raw protein shake ... just use raw egg whites by

the truckload. Of course, it won't be vegan ... The problem is with the

protein powders. None, to my knowledge, is raw, and all, to my knowledge,

are seriously toxic to humans. But the effects are corrosive, occurring over

long periods of time in the form of leaching minerals and other direct

effects. The long-term symptoms, such as osteoporosis,

calcifications/arthritis, etc are sufficiently delayed that most people

never make the connection. Learn about the pros and cons of the Pritikin

diet, it's all there.

 

Best,

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Erin

Friday, June 29, 2007 8:15 PM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re: Working Out

 

Just seeking clarification. You seem to be saying up front

that using a protein shake would not be considered raw, yet

later you say you consume 5 such shakes daily and yet call

yourself 100% raw. So, which is it? Have you perhaps found

a 100% raw protein shake? (I do believe they exist.) And,

if that's the case, why are you questioning the feasibility,

if you have accomplished it? I'm a little confused.

 

Thanks,

-Erin

 

[Guest guest]

I imagine the hemp seed comes out the way it goes in. That has been

my experience with flax seeds in crackers. No digestion at all.

 

Little protein is needed to build and repair the body, even for

athletes. The most we ever need in our lifetimes is during the first

year of life and breast milk has from 5-11%. It can be found in

perfect proportions for the body through fruits and leafy greens.

 

Janet - gotta go to bed ...tooooo late!

 

rawfood , bobby kerry <bobby_ya333 wrote:

 

What about hemp protein powder? I'm not sure how it is processed, but

does claim to be raw. I think it is merely defatted hemp meal, so it

may very well be raw. Analysis shows all aminos present and in nice

ratios, at least the claim is ratios that resemble blood protein

profile. I like the stuff from time to time, but usually just end up

using the whole hemp seed in smoothies. Don't seem to have any food

combining issues with that.

 

Best, Bobby Elchanan <Elchanan wrote: Erin, it's easy to create

a raw protein shake ... just use raw egg whites by the truckload. Of

course, it won't be vegan ... The problem is with the protein

powders. None, to my knowledge, is raw, and all, to my knowledge, are

seriously toxic to humans. But the effects are corrosive, occurring

over long periods of time in the form of leaching minerals and other

direct effects. The long-term symptoms, such as osteoporosis,

calcifications/arthritis, etc are sufficiently delayed that most

people never make the connection. Learn about the pros and cons of

the Pritikin diet, it's all there.

 

Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood

[rawfood ] On Behalf Of Erin Friday, June

29, 2007 8:15 PM rawfood [Raw Food] Re:

Working Out Just seeking clarification. You seem to be saying up

front that using a protein shake would not be considered raw, yet

later you say you consume 5 such shakes daily and yet call yourself

100% raw. So, which is it? Have you perhaps found a 100% raw protein

shake? (I do believe they exist.) And, if that's the case, why are

you questioning the feasibility, if you have accomplished it? I'm a

little confused.

 

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

I crave to EAT! So I tried eating more fruit, then I tried more

veggies, of course I tried both, then I tried more grain. Then

finally when I tried a nice juicy t-bone steak did I ever feel GREAT!

Then, when I tried protein shakes, again I felt AWESOME and satisfied.

 

So much for your oxymoron.

 

Joe

 

 

 

rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote:

>

> What SPECIFICALLY do you actually crave? You cannot crave protein

.... the

> expression is a biological oxymoron.

> Elchanan

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On

Behalf Of

> Kerri Myers

> Friday, June 29, 2007 7:42 PM

> rawfood

> [Raw Food] Re:Working Out

>

>

> .

>

>

<http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=5520395/grpspId=1705015482/msgId

> =32368/stime=1183171318/nc1=3848443/nc2=4025291/nc3=4706133> When I have

> been working out really hard- running 6+

> miles several times a week/lifting weights multiple

> times a week/kickboxing and high cardio classes-I

> crave protein.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh if I have meat I definitely cook it! Rare, but def cooked.

 

Yah, I was spending $100 every 3 days on raw foods! IT was

ridiculous. I tried eating more and more and more but was never

satisfied...went for 2 weeks like this. So then got an organic steak

and it was so satisfying, my hunger pains went away, AND MY STOMACH

ATTACKED IT!! Literally, my tummy went NUTS and just DEVOURED that

meat, and asked for more!

So I stared protein shakes, and now I am feeling satiated, while still

eating of course all my fruits and veggies, but back down to $100 a week.

So I am not officially 100% raw, but, nearly so.

 

Joe

 

 

 

rawfood , " Belinda " <MistyBlueTN wrote:

>

> Thank you Joe.

>

> I have also wondered how the men in my life could possibly make

> through the days when they worked hard physical labor all day.

> Especially in the very cold weather.

> I just don't believe for one second they would have made it long on

> just fruits and veggies. And they sure could not stop often to keep

> refueling on the fruits and veggies and a handfull of nuts.

> It takes tremedous energy just to keep your body warm in very cold

> weather.

>

> Also, it takes a lot of money to eat all these fruits and veggies

> too. It takes so much of it. I sometimes feel like a cow grazing.LOL

>

> Someone as big yourself must eat a couple of a bushel or two of

> fruits and veggies a day, just to attempt to keep your strength up to

> work out.

>

> But now my question.

> You say a body needs protien to build muscle. (I know this already)

> And you are building muscle, but you are also 100% raw.

> Where are you getting your protein from? Is it raw meat?

>

>

> Belinda

>

[Guest guest]

I think a lot of the time what happens is that people become so

enamored with raw food they become obsessed with it. Then clinical

findings which report that eating fruits and veggies is good for you

become morphed into " fruits and veggies is all you need to eat. " And

then " look how big coes are and all they eat is grass " .

Humans are not cows...learn some basic anatomy please. Cows eat and

pooh CONSTANTLY, and have multiple stomachs. If we tried eating grass

and hay we would tear our mouths and teeth to shreds and then die of

starvation. Same if we ate bamboo shoots like gorillas...it would

kill us eventually because we simply can NOT digest food like that.

 

What is important is that we increase the amount of raw fruits and

veggies in our diet, and get rid of the boxed and processed and fast

foods from our diet. But cutting out an entire food source like meat

is silly.

And meat IS A NATURAL food source.

 

I wrote about the past several millions years of human evolution a

long time ago on this forum. Suffice it here to say that the

chimpanzee/human side of the chimpanzee/human vs. gorilla/orangutan

speciation has been eating meet for several million years. Chimps eat

meat. NOT LIVING ON MEAT, don't freak out! BUT, we have been eating

meat on a somewhat regular basis for 2 million yeas. In the last

100,000 years of our distinct species homo sapiens, we have been

eating meat perhaps a little more frequently than chimps do. Hunting

game is part of what drove our technological innovation and development.

I know for a fact IT IS EASIER to kill a rabbit or deer than it is to

find a nice crop of broccolli, cauliflower, peaches, grains etc etc.

Actually, most of the fruits and veggies we eat today didn't even

exist much more than one or two thousand years ago...we've been

genetically modifying them through breeding to look the way do and

have the nutrients they do today. A few thousand years ago, it would

have been VERY difficult to live on a raw food diet, for the average

person.

 

You can't deny hundreds of thousands or millions of years of

evolution. We eat meat, period. BUT

 

We DON'T need to eat it every day, or in the amount at a sitting that

we do. THAT is what is unhealthy about eating meat. It is not the

meat itself, but the way we are eating it.

 

I just found out I am iron deficient, this after 2 years of eating the

best quality organic produce and a wide, wide variety of it, and also

grains and nuts etc. Every person I ask about getting my iron levels

back up, even the strict vegetarians, say the easiest way is to eat

some red meat. NOT LIVE ON IT, just have some until the iron levels

are back up. This is quite possibly a very obvious evolutionary

adaptation, from millions of years of occasionally eating meat.

 

Eating raw food and the raw food " lifestyle " , should be but ONE tool

in a persons repertoire of knowledge of healthy living.

[Guest guest]

Joe,

 

......and so much for your raw. LOL

 

 

Jeannie

 

your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one.

 

 

 

 

Joe Postma <joepostma

rawfood

Sunday, July 1, 2007 3:43:22 PM

[Raw Food] Re:Working Out

 

 

I crave to EAT! So I tried eating more fruit, then I tried more

veggies, of course I tried both, then I tried more grain. Then

finally when I tried a nice juicy t-bone steak did I ever feel GREAT!

Then, when I tried protein shakes, again I felt AWESOME and satisfied.

 

So much for your oxymoron.

 

Joe

 

 

 

rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote:

>

> What SPECIFICALLY do you actually crave? You cannot crave protein

.... the

> expression is a biological oxymoron.

> Elchanan

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On

Behalf Of

> Kerri Myers

> Friday, June 29, 2007 7:42 PM

> rawfood

> [Raw Food] Re:Working Out

>

>

> .

>

>

<http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=5520395/grpspId=1705015482/msgId

> =32368/stime=1183171318/nc1=3848443/nc2=4025291/nc3=4706133> When I have

> been working out really hard- running 6+

> miles several times a week/lifting weights multiple

> times a week/kickboxing and high cardio classes-I

> crave protein.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Joe,

 

That is my current dilemma. I am spending about that every week also. I am

trying to stick to organic but sometimes I just can not afford all organic. I

have to pick and choose what I will buy organic depending on the price. Do I

want to pay 3.00 for a stalk of celery or .99cents. Strawberries were $4.49 for

organic -vs-1.49 (on sale). Tht's another thing, organic fruits and veggies

don't often go on sale, and when they do it is not (what I call) a great sale

price. LOL

I'm just poor. LOL I do, however, believe this is the best thing I could be

doing so I will continue to do the best I can.

I am trying to tell myself that it is going to save long term on doctor and

health bills.

 

I wish I new of a farm or farmer close by. That would be cool.

 

Jeannie

 

your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one.

 

 

 

 

Joe Postma <joepostma

rawfood

Sunday, July 1, 2007 3:51:46 PM

[Raw Food] Re: Working Out

 

 

Oh if I have meat I definitely cook it! Rare, but def cooked.

 

Yah, I was spending $100 every 3 days on raw foods! IT was

ridiculous. I tried eating more and more and more but was never

satisfied...went for 2 weeks like this. So then got an organic steak

and it was so satisfying, my hunger pains went away, AND MY STOMACH

ATTACKED IT!! Literally, my tummy went NUTS and just DEVOURED that

meat, and asked for more!

So I stared protein shakes, and now I am feeling satiated, while still

eating of course all my fruits and veggies, but back down to $100 a week.

So I am not officially 100% raw, but, nearly so.

 

Joe

 

 

 

rawfood , " Belinda " <MistyBlueTN wrote:

>

> Thank you Joe.

>

> I have also wondered how the men in my life could possibly make

> through the days when they worked hard physical labor all day.

> Especially in the very cold weather.

> I just don't believe for one second they would have made it long on

> just fruits and veggies. And they sure could not stop often to keep

> refueling on the fruits and veggies and a handfull of nuts.

> It takes tremedous energy just to keep your body warm in very cold

> weather.

>

> Also, it takes a lot of money to eat all these fruits and veggies

> too. It takes so much of it. I sometimes feel like a cow grazing.LOL

>

> Someone as big yourself must eat a couple of a bushel or two of

> fruits and veggies a day, just to attempt to keep your strength up to

> work out.

>

> But now my question.

> You say a body needs protien to build muscle. (I know this already)

> And you are building muscle, but you are also 100% raw.

> Where are you getting your protein from? Is it raw meat?

>

>

> Belinda

>

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Jeannie-

 

Check out this website- it helped me find all the

local farms!!!

 

www.localharvest.org

 

 

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Different stokes for different folks I guess. How long have you been raw? For

some people as you switch over your body is naturally more sluggish etc. not

necessarily because you need more protein, but because you need to maybe curb

some of what you're doing to allow your body to adjust to the diet change. I

personally think the amount of protein one needs is exaggerated, but that's my

opinion. I was strength training 6dys a week +

gardening+walking+rebounding(20min 3x a wk) and fruits, veggies and nuts do me

just fine. I personally find that to be sufficient as I am shedding fat and

building lean muscle. That's how my body works.

 

 

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rawfood , " Joe Postma " <joepostma wrote:

 

[...]

 

> I just found out I am iron deficient, this after 2 years of eating the

> best quality organic produce and a wide, wide variety of it, and also

> grains and nuts etc. Every person I ask about getting my iron levels

> back up, even the strict vegetarians, say the easiest way is to eat

> some red meat. NOT LIVE ON IT, just have some until the iron levels

> are back up. This is quite possibly a very obvious evolutionary

> adaptation, from millions of years of occasionally eating meat.

 

They don't sound very strict.

I would have recommended molasses. LOL.

 

-Erin

http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog

[Guest guest]

-

Erin

>I would have recommended molasses. LOL.

 

This is another thing that confuses me, and makes me wonder if it's another

language thing. We used to feed molasses to the cattle during the drought,

mixed it with a grain, maybe oats? I got some recently, and it tastes vile.

I've looked into the processing of sugar cane, and first they get the raw

sugar out, then the white sugar (or maybe the other way around? golden syrup

is in there somewhere too), then the brown sugar, then the leftover burnt

waste is the molasses. I can't see how all this processing, and the fact

that it's junk, makes it a raw food, or even a food at all. Is it something

different in the States?

 

Caron

[Guest guest]

Sorry for the confusion. I was speaking as

a " strict vegetarian " versus a raw foodist.

 

-Erin

http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog

 

 

rawfood , " Caron " <carongroups wrote:

>

>

> -

> Erin

> >I would have recommended molasses. LOL.

>

> This is another thing that confuses me, and makes me wonder if it's

another

> language thing. We used to feed molasses to the cattle during the

drought,

> mixed it with a grain, maybe oats? I got some recently, and it

tastes vile.

> I've looked into the processing of sugar cane, and first they get

the raw

> sugar out, then the white sugar (or maybe the other way around?

golden syrup

> is in there somewhere too), then the brown sugar, then the leftover

burnt

> waste is the molasses. I can't see how all this processing, and the

fact

> that it's junk, makes it a raw food, or even a food at all. Is it

something

> different in the States?

>

> Caron

>

[Guest guest]

-

Erin

>Sorry for the confusion. I was speaking as

a " strict vegetarian " versus a raw foodist.

 

Oh, I understood that ) You're not the first person here I've noticed

recommend or mention that they eat molasses, your post just reminded me.

 

Caron

[Guest guest]

Caron,

 

I have never been able to eat molasses. It tastes quite nasty to me, always has.

I am really loving the agave syrup. I am so happy I found the dark raw agave. I

use it on so many things. It is my dream come true....LOL I have such a sweet

tooth.

 

Jeannie

 

your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one.

 

 

 

 

Caron <carongroups

rawfood

Sunday, July 1, 2007 10:05:39 PM

Re: [Raw Food] Re: Working Out

 

 

-

Erin

>Sorry for the confusion. I was speaking as

a " strict vegetarian " versus a raw foodist.

 

Oh, I understood that ) You're not the first person here I've noticed

recommend or mention that they eat molasses, your post just reminded me.

 

Caron

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Before you started posting all this, I was just wondering what people

would have done in the far north (like Eskimos) where the growing

season is so short. Such as Alaska, northern Canada, Greenland, etc.

 

Meat would have to be a big part of the diet in times past.

 

Belinda

 

> I think a lot of the time what happens is that people become so

> enamored with raw food they become obsessed with it. Then clinical

> findings which report that eating fruits and veggies is good for you

> become morphed into " fruits and veggies is all you need to eat. "

And

> then " look how big coes are and all they eat is grass " .

> Humans are not cows...learn some basic anatomy please. Cows eat and

> pooh CONSTANTLY, and have multiple stomachs. If we tried eating

grass

> and hay we would tear our mouths and teeth to shreds and then die of

> starvation. Same if we ate bamboo shoots like gorillas...it would

> kill us eventually because we simply can NOT digest food like that.

>

> What is important is that we increase the amount of raw fruits and

> veggies in our diet, and get rid of the boxed and processed and fast

> foods from our diet. But cutting out an entire food source like

meat

> is silly.

> And meat IS A NATURAL food source.

>

> I wrote about the past several millions years of human evolution a

> long time ago on this forum. Suffice it here to say that the

> chimpanzee/human side of the chimpanzee/human vs. gorilla/orangutan

> speciation has been eating meet for several million years. Chimps

eat

> meat. NOT LIVING ON MEAT, don't freak out! BUT, we have been

eating

> meat on a somewhat regular basis for 2 million yeas. In the last

> 100,000 years of our distinct species homo sapiens, we have been

> eating meat perhaps a little more frequently than chimps do.

Hunting

> game is part of what drove our technological innovation and

development.

> I know for a fact IT IS EASIER to kill a rabbit or deer than it is

to

> find a nice crop of broccolli, cauliflower, peaches, grains etc

etc.

> Actually, most of the fruits and veggies we eat today didn't even

> exist much more than one or two thousand years ago...we've been

> genetically modifying them through breeding to look the way do and

> have the nutrients they do today. A few thousand years ago, it

would

> have been VERY difficult to live on a raw food diet, for the average

> person.

>

> You can't deny hundreds of thousands or millions of years of

> evolution. We eat meat, period. BUT

>

> We DON'T need to eat it every day, or in the amount at a sitting

that

> we do. THAT is what is unhealthy about eating meat. It is not the

> meat itself, but the way we are eating it.

>

> I just found out I am iron deficient, this after 2 years of eating

the

> best quality organic produce and a wide, wide variety of it, and

also

> grains and nuts etc. Every person I ask about getting my iron

levels

> back up, even the strict vegetarians, say the easiest way is to eat

> some red meat. NOT LIVE ON IT, just have some until the iron levels

> are back up. This is quite possibly a very obvious evolutionary

> adaptation, from millions of years of occasionally eating meat.

>

> Eating raw food and the raw food " lifestyle " , should be but ONE tool

> in a persons repertoire of knowledge of healthy living.

>