Guest guest Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 Dogs are omnivores and can and do eat fruits and veggies. Even cats can eat them, but they are harder to raise vegan. I know some who do, though. I would never raise a non-vegan dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 " My my dog, Bugs, LOVES grapes, bananas, apples and a few others. She will do a song and dance for a bite of some of thee fruits. It is so cute. " Honestly? This DOES sound cute..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 - Jennifer Smith >Cats and dogs should not be fed fruits, vegetables, grains, etc. These animals are not herbivores or omnivores. In the wild, they hunt and kill live prey. Therefore, the only time they ingest greens is through their prey's stomach contents. Hi Jenn, Just wondering how often you feed your dogs whole prey, intestines and all? Caron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 It isn't harmful to supplement their diet with fruits and veggies. Wild canines supplement their diet with such. The harm would be if it was their main diet. There is not enough nutrients in fruits and veggies available for dogs to thrive well on. Their system is not designed for raw vegetation. They are, for the most part carnivores. Just like the wild canines. Belinda > I didn't know that it is harmful to feed your animals fruits and vegetables,if they like them. > > What is the harm? My animals have always been very healthy and long lived. > > Jeannie > > your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one. > > > > > Jennifer Smith <jennifersmith > rawfood > Tuesday, June 26, 2007 10:40:27 AM > [Raw Food] Re: raw for pets > > > Cats and dogs should not be fed fruits, vegetables, grains, etc. These > animals are not herbivores or omnivores. In the wild, they hunt and kill > live prey. Therefore, the only time they ingest greens is through their > prey's stomach contents. The same rule should also be held in regards to > dairy products. Like humans, animals are not meant to ingest milk after > infancy. > > I know the idea of feeding one's beloved pets raw meat goes against some > vegans' and vegetarians' principles, but this is very important for the > health of our fur babies. I've heard of " vegan " dogs, but it is VERY > unhealthy for them; I consider it criminal. We wouldn't feed our kids > McDonald's for every meal, so we shouldn't feed out pets inappropriate > foods, either > > Jenn > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Dogs are classified as carnivorous. You can look at their teeth and see that. Wild canines could not survive at all on a vegan diet. That is why they eat meat and all that goes with it. Dogs have the very same nutritional needs as their cousins in the wild. Raising a dog as a vegan is the same as raising horses and cows as carnivores and feeding them a meat only diet. > Dogs are omnivores and can and do eat fruits and veggies. > Even cats can eat them, but they are harder to raise vegan. I know > some who do, though. I would never raise a non-vegan dog. Belinda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Jeannie, fasting the dogs is for their health and for raw food feeders, to mimick what they would experiance in the wild. When dogs or humans go for a period of time without eating, it gives their digestive system a rest. Which is very beneficial for the body. Of course, some humans fast for spiritual reasons. Belinda P.S. Just a guess here, but I suspect that El does not keep dogs and cats for pets. > > Elchanan, > > How do you fast your dogs? What is the reason to do so? > > Jeannie > > your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one. > > > > > Elchanan <Elchanan > rawfood > Tuesday, June 26, 2007 10:16:05 AM > [Raw Food] Raw for pets > > > Hi Janet, > > Great description and explanation!!! I am curious, have you ever fasted your > dogs? Might help them considerably, now that they are stabilized on a very > healthful diet for some time. > > Best, > Elchanan > _____ > > rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of > Janet FitzGerald > Monday, June 25, 2007 7:59 PM > rawfood > [Raw Food] Re: raw for pets > > > Hi Jeannie, > > When I fed my pets commercial kibble, I was astounded by the long list of > ingredients in a package. Just incredible. And, I worked in a dog food > factory for some time and knew something wasn't right in the world. Chewing > meat and bones is integral to a dog's health (cat's too), and it should be > noted that 75% of dogs have periodontal dis-ease by age three. Kibble will > create a film around their teeth and harbor an environment that is ripe for > bacteria, so it's not surprising where this statistic comes from. And, if a > dog's teeth aren't healthy, the body isn't either. > > Cats and dogs must go through a transition to raw, just like humans. Mine > weren't so happy the first few times. I had luck searing some meat before > giving it to my cat (now deceased at age 18). I do the same for my dogs > when I feed them livers. It really smells up the house, though! > > Both of my dogs had periodontal dis-ease, one to a great extent. Since > feeding rmb, the black plaque that formed on the back teeth is either all > gone, or almost gone. Their coats are softer, eyes are brighter, energy is > back, and they seem to attract less fleas. However, due to vaccinations (I > believe), one of my dogs has recurring problems with her skin. I have > stopped vaccinating, but the problems from years past still exist. I > believe her body is trying to eliminate the very real toxins. For this > reason I have fasted them twice, now. > > After witnessing how happy they are munching down on rmb, I can never look > back. > > Janet > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 I don't have dogs- I have cats. However, I believe in the " whole prey model, " which follows the belief that cats and dogs are healthiest when eating what they would if they hadn't been domesticated thousands of years ago. The idea is that wild wolves (dogs) and cats did- and still do- hunt and kill live prey and eat almost all of the prey. This can include the stomache and intestines, depending on the disposition of the animal, the contents of the prey's stomache, etc. In an abstract way, this kind of goes hand-in-hand with domesticated dogs eating poop. I don't feed my cats live animals- that would be inhumane. But I am slowly converting them to whole dead, raw animals. My goal is to get them to the point where they can eat whole items such as cornish hens, rabbits, mice and rats, and fish. At that point, yes, they will have the opportunity to eat the animals' intestines if they so choose. I will leave it up to them to decide what parts of the animal they like and feel they need nutritionally. Jenn rawfood , " Caron " <carongroups wrote: > > > Hi Jenn, > Just wondering how often you feed your dogs whole prey, intestines and all? > > Caron > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Yes, it may be normal for NATURE to fast an animal, but it is not normal for HUMANS to enforce a fast on an animal that relies on them for everything. That's not to say that a small 1-day fast is going to hurt an animal. I guess I'm talking more about 2-5 days. I know that for cats, not eating for more than 24 hours can cause them to have serious, sometimes fatal, side effects. I forget the exact problem, but I believe it is liver failure. As for having dogs associate you with starving, it's all about Pavlov and his dog. By taking care of your pets, you create an emotional attachment that I like to think flows in both directions. They recognize the name that you have given them and recognize you as the person who feeds them and loves them. By taking away their food and having them go hungry (for more than a single day, of course), they will be confused as to why their owner is not feeding them. Eventually, after multiple and/or prolonged bouts of " fasting " (aka starving), a dog may start to associate its owner with the idea of starvation, just as it once did with eating. This goes for all animals that are abused. If they are abused often enough and severely enough, they associate their owners with negative feelings rather than positive feelings. Of course, like I've said, you'd probably have to fast your dog (or cat) multiple times for long periods of time in order for him to associate you with the feeling of starvation. Jenn rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote: > > i dont own a pet...but im curious... > > isnt it NORMAL for an animal not to eat for a long period of time?? > > it seems to me that in the wild they are not always successful in finding > food > just at the right, and regular, time every day...like we humans like to > feed them...nor are they on time tables.... > > i would think hunger is just a fact of life for an animal...as it used to > be for humans.. > > before mcdonalds of course... > > and associate humans with hunger? huh? until you fed them...then > they associate you with food....but do you really think they would make > a mental note that on such a such a day you didnt feed them their > kibble? > > this is fascinating.... > > anna > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 I agree. It's not just the teeth of cats and dogs that make them carnivores. They also have very short, simple digestive tracts that are built to handle meat, not all of the other things some cats and dogs OCCASSIONALLY eat. Their are physically very different from herbivores, such as cows and horses that have multiple stomaches to handle to fibers of the grains/grasses/etc. that they eat. Also, cats and dogs have claws that are made to tear MEAT, not mow grass to eat it! I wonder why someone would think it's alright to feed their cats as vegans. I think the idea might be that because cats are smaller, they are more " fragile, " intelligent, etc. and in some way this makes them more like humans. This is physically not the case, and cats ARE carnivores. Belinda, could you maybe explain their reasoning to me? Lol... Ok, I'm going to step away from this conversation now. IMHO, I would NEVER feed my cats (or dogs) what I personally consider inappropriate and damaging foods- which are anything besides actual raw meat. I also do not believe in fasting animals, but rather believe they will naturally do so if THEY feel it is necessary. However, everyone has their own opinions and I while I may disagree with them, I do so respectfully. Many veternarians do not believe that feeding animals raw is healthy, despite many studies and thousands of owners attesting to the attributes of eating raw. Whatcha gonna do? I can't change the world- nor do I want to. All I know is what we all preach here all the time- follow your heart to good health and good living and you will live happily and in harmony. Jenn rawfood , " Belinda " <MistyBlueTN wrote: > > Dogs are classified as carnivorous. You can look at their teeth and > see that. Wild canines could not survive at all on a vegan diet. That > is why they eat meat and all that goes with it. > > Dogs have the very same nutritional needs as their cousins in the wild. > > Raising a dog as a vegan is the same as raising horses and cows as > carnivores and feeding them a meat only diet. > > > > Dogs are omnivores and can and do eat fruits and veggies. > > Even cats can eat them, but they are harder to raise vegan. I know > > some who do, though. I would never raise a non-vegan dog. > > > Belinda > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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