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Yes,, Jeannie, but please take no offense ... what you say, below, is

completely vacuous. More meaningfully, we might ask: in WHAT do you have

faith? In Nature's design (or the divine design, for those who wish)? Or in

the concoctions of the human forebrain, as we have been trained or

" educated " ?

 

We live in a socialist state. And in every socialist state, the state

asserts itself, whether overtly or covertly, in the place of divinity. Just

one example should serve to seal this point: In our society, who decides

when life begins? Do we decide based upon faith? Even upon science? Any

biologist knows that mammalian life begins at conception, there is no

argument about this. No, we decide in our courts ... the state decides. This

is far, far cry from any notion of a divinely endowed right to life, as set

forth in the Declaration.

 

The state and its corporate minions pay for nearly ALL the research which

some here hold in such high esteem. Are we to place our faith in this

research, for even a moment?

 

The state decides who shall be certificated, vaccinated, incarcerated, and

otherwise humiliated and debilitated. Shall we place our faith in anything

at all associated therewith?

 

Or shall we take a huge step back, reassert our balance in favor of

something genuine and true, then proceed forward ... as would a tightrope

walker?

 

Where we place our faith defines and determines in whom we place our trust.

I trust Nature's design, and I trust those precious few who comprehend it to

a reasonable degree and who seek to live in harmony with it. That places me

WAY outside any of society's " norms " . And happily, there I stand.

 

You?

 

Best,

Elchanan

_____

 

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jeannieh h

Saturday, June 23, 2007 8:17 AM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Re:Salt again, I suppose

 

 

Elchanan,

 

Thanks!

 

I consider myself to be faithful,and trustful. What I need to add to the mix

is the knowledge and understanding required and (of course) the patience

required.

 

Jeannie

 

 

 

 

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Elchanan,

 

No offense taken.

BUT.............how so?? I think taken in the context it was said it is not so

vacuous (or empty). lol

 

I am faithful. I DO have faith. I have faith in God. I have faith in knowing

that I have a purpose and a reason for being.I trust in God.

 

I trust in those that have earned my trust. When I said " I need to add to the

mix the knowledge and understanding required and (of course) the patience

required. " What I meant was the knowledge, understanding and patience required

to learn about this raw lifestyle and the patience in getting to my goal.

 

Yes, I agree we live in a socialist state....what would be better? A Communist

state??

 

I decide when life begins. You decide when life begins. With me life begins at

conception.......for you it might not. The courts decide for those that can no

or will not decide for themselves.

 

I don't openly trust the government in much of anything. However, I do believe

there are some " blind studies " in which the results can be trusted.

 

As far as the state deciding who is certified,vaccinated, incarcerated, and

otherwise humiliated and debilitated. I agree to a certain extent. HOWEVER, we

do have to abide by " the law of the land " or else would we not have utter chaos?

 

I'm all for what you say " Or shall we take a huge step back, reassert our

balance in favor of

something genuine and true, then proceed forward ... as would a tightrope

walker? " To an extent. I think it is a subjective matter.

 

You trust in Natures design. I trust in God. I believe God is the cause & reason

for natures design. I seek to live in Harmony with this. I am on a constant

journey to get on the right path to be closer to God and to all of God's

creations. I, admittedly have strayed and fallen way off the right path. I am

working day by day to get back on the right path. My life is a journey and I am

a work in progress.

 

Did that clarify things for you?

 

Jeannie

 

 

 

your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one.

 

 

 

 

Elchanan <Elchanan

rawfood

Saturday, June 23, 2007 5:08:46 PM

[Raw Food] Faith ... in what?

 

 

Yes,, Jeannie, but please take no offense ... what you say, below, is

completely vacuous. More meaningfully, we might ask: in WHAT do you have

faith? In Nature's design (or the divine design, for those who wish)? Or in

the concoctions of the human forebrain, as we have been trained or

" educated " ?

 

We live in a socialist state. And in every socialist state, the state

asserts itself, whether overtly or covertly, in the place of divinity. Just

one example should serve to seal this point: In our society, who decides

when life begins? Do we decide based upon faith? Even upon science? Any

biologist knows that mammalian life begins at conception, there is no

argument about this. No, we decide in our courts ... the state decides. This

is far, far cry from any notion of a divinely endowed right to life, as set

forth in the Declaration.

 

The state and its corporate minions pay for nearly ALL the research which

some here hold in such high esteem. Are we to place our faith in this

research, for even a moment?

 

The state decides who shall be certificated, vaccinated, incarcerated, and

otherwise humiliated and debilitated. Shall we place our faith in anything

at all associated therewith?

 

Or shall we take a huge step back, reassert our balance in favor of

something genuine and true, then proceed forward ... as would a tightrope

walker?

 

Where we place our faith defines and determines in whom we place our trust.

I trust Nature's design, and I trust those precious few who comprehend it to

a reasonable degree and who seek to live in harmony with it. That places me

WAY outside any of society's " norms " . And happily, there I stand.

 

You?

 

Best,

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

jeannieh h

Saturday, June 23, 2007 8:17 AM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Re:Salt again, I suppose

 

 

Elchanan,

 

Thanks!

 

I consider myself to be faithful,and trustful. What I need to add to the mix

is the knowledge and understanding required and (of course) the patience

required.

 

Jeannie

 

 

 

 

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