Guest guest Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 Yes,, Jeannie, but please take no offense ... what you say, below, is completely vacuous. More meaningfully, we might ask: in WHAT do you have faith? In Nature's design (or the divine design, for those who wish)? Or in the concoctions of the human forebrain, as we have been trained or " educated " ? We live in a socialist state. And in every socialist state, the state asserts itself, whether overtly or covertly, in the place of divinity. Just one example should serve to seal this point: In our society, who decides when life begins? Do we decide based upon faith? Even upon science? Any biologist knows that mammalian life begins at conception, there is no argument about this. No, we decide in our courts ... the state decides. This is far, far cry from any notion of a divinely endowed right to life, as set forth in the Declaration. The state and its corporate minions pay for nearly ALL the research which some here hold in such high esteem. Are we to place our faith in this research, for even a moment? The state decides who shall be certificated, vaccinated, incarcerated, and otherwise humiliated and debilitated. Shall we place our faith in anything at all associated therewith? Or shall we take a huge step back, reassert our balance in favor of something genuine and true, then proceed forward ... as would a tightrope walker? Where we place our faith defines and determines in whom we place our trust. I trust Nature's design, and I trust those precious few who comprehend it to a reasonable degree and who seek to live in harmony with it. That places me WAY outside any of society's " norms " . And happily, there I stand. You? Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of jeannieh h Saturday, June 23, 2007 8:17 AM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Re:Salt again, I suppose Elchanan, Thanks! I consider myself to be faithful,and trustful. What I need to add to the mix is the knowledge and understanding required and (of course) the patience required. Jeannie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 Elchanan, No offense taken. BUT.............how so?? I think taken in the context it was said it is not so vacuous (or empty). lol I am faithful. I DO have faith. I have faith in God. I have faith in knowing that I have a purpose and a reason for being.I trust in God. I trust in those that have earned my trust. When I said " I need to add to the mix the knowledge and understanding required and (of course) the patience required. " What I meant was the knowledge, understanding and patience required to learn about this raw lifestyle and the patience in getting to my goal. Yes, I agree we live in a socialist state....what would be better? A Communist state?? I decide when life begins. You decide when life begins. With me life begins at conception.......for you it might not. The courts decide for those that can no or will not decide for themselves. I don't openly trust the government in much of anything. However, I do believe there are some " blind studies " in which the results can be trusted. As far as the state deciding who is certified,vaccinated, incarcerated, and otherwise humiliated and debilitated. I agree to a certain extent. HOWEVER, we do have to abide by " the law of the land " or else would we not have utter chaos? I'm all for what you say " Or shall we take a huge step back, reassert our balance in favor of something genuine and true, then proceed forward ... as would a tightrope walker? " To an extent. I think it is a subjective matter. You trust in Natures design. I trust in God. I believe God is the cause & reason for natures design. I seek to live in Harmony with this. I am on a constant journey to get on the right path to be closer to God and to all of God's creations. I, admittedly have strayed and fallen way off the right path. I am working day by day to get back on the right path. My life is a journey and I am a work in progress. Did that clarify things for you? Jeannie your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one. Elchanan <Elchanan rawfood Saturday, June 23, 2007 5:08:46 PM [Raw Food] Faith ... in what? Yes,, Jeannie, but please take no offense ... what you say, below, is completely vacuous. More meaningfully, we might ask: in WHAT do you have faith? In Nature's design (or the divine design, for those who wish)? Or in the concoctions of the human forebrain, as we have been trained or " educated " ? We live in a socialist state. And in every socialist state, the state asserts itself, whether overtly or covertly, in the place of divinity. Just one example should serve to seal this point: In our society, who decides when life begins? Do we decide based upon faith? Even upon science? Any biologist knows that mammalian life begins at conception, there is no argument about this. No, we decide in our courts ... the state decides. This is far, far cry from any notion of a divinely endowed right to life, as set forth in the Declaration. The state and its corporate minions pay for nearly ALL the research which some here hold in such high esteem. Are we to place our faith in this research, for even a moment? The state decides who shall be certificated, vaccinated, incarcerated, and otherwise humiliated and debilitated. Shall we place our faith in anything at all associated therewith? Or shall we take a huge step back, reassert our balance in favor of something genuine and true, then proceed forward ... as would a tightrope walker? Where we place our faith defines and determines in whom we place our trust. I trust Nature's design, and I trust those precious few who comprehend it to a reasonable degree and who seek to live in harmony with it. That places me WAY outside any of society's " norms " . And happily, there I stand. You? Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of jeannieh h Saturday, June 23, 2007 8:17 AM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Re:Salt again, I suppose Elchanan, Thanks! I consider myself to be faithful,and trustful. What I need to add to the mix is the knowledge and understanding required and (of course) the patience required. Jeannie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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