Messages From Within: REALLY!!! (WAS:Why not stop using products?)

[Guest guest]

Margaret,

 

No one needs any of these products, they are harmful to at least some

degree, and they cause us to misread ourselves, to miss the messages our

systems provide. Regardless of your unfamiliarity with the level of health I

describe, it is attainable, and those who attain it experience themselves

and others quite differently from all that you describe and presume to be

" true " .

 

We don't need multiple showers daily, though I understand the ideas that Tom

was sharing. We DO benefit from constructive feedback, and I know of no more

constructive feedback than that provided by our own bodies.

 

People talk about listening to their bodies. What a load of nonsense!!!

People do everything they can imagine to block any meaningful awareness of

their own bodies, then wonder why they cannot figure out what choices to

make.

 

Use products if you wish, discuss products to your heart's delight. But

please do not tell anyone that these are necessary, or that we all

inherently stink, or the like, for this things simply are not so. There is

much here for you to learn ... if you are willing, if you allow another

innate quality present in all humans, called " curiosity " , to come to the

fore and lead your exploration.

 

Best to all,

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Margaret Gamez

Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:45 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Why not stop using products?

 

 

Aside from the natural products which you can make yourself,

(if you like, I can start listing a number of books which

have recipes for making such items),

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

OK my understanding about using products or not, stinky or not is....

 

If one is not clean on the inside (most of the population in America)

one needs to use body and hair cleansing products. As well as not

juse deoderant, but anti-perperant. Big difference.

 

 

But if one is truley clean on the inside, then it is possible to get

along without the products and not be offensive to others.

 

However, I believe in both cases, climate and environment can make a

difference in the outcome of body odor.

 

Now I know from my own experinace, there are times that I can go

without anitpersperant and not have odor or underarm sweating. This

happens between my cycles. So I am guessing horomones play a big

part in this. A day or two before my period starts, I get the sweaty

underarms and it continues thru the early part of the cycle. Then it

is gone.

 

I take a bath at night and never put on the anti-persperant until

morning, as I do not need it for sleeping.

 

I would love to find a way to live without it completely, because I

have read studies linking anti-persperant to breast cancer.

As well as Alzheimers disease, due to the aluminum in the anti-

persperant.

 

 

So I truley believe what El is saying about the diet and body odor

problems. And a healthy body and body odor problems. One just needs

to visit a nursing home or hospital to learn about illness and body

odor.

I would even venture to guess that if every one was consicous of how

they smelled, then they could probably detect illnesses in their body

before a doctor even could.

 

You know there are dogs that have been trained to detect their

owner's seizure before it happens. Apparently the body odor changes

prior to the seizure and the dog can detect it and warn the owner of

the impending seizure.

 

My poor dog and best friend, Hoss with the kidney failure. He

developed peculiar odors before I knew what was wrong with him. In

fact his odors is what clued the vet in on what was wrong with him.

Blood tests confirmed it.

 

So I have no doubt that body smells can tell you a lot about your

state of health. So we wash it off and cover it up and ignore it

until something more serious that we cannot ignore crops up.

 

Belinda

 

 

 

 

 

-- In rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote:

>

> Margaret,

>

> No one needs any of these products, they are harmful to at least

some

> degree, and they cause us to misread ourselves, to miss the

messages our

> systems provide. Regardless of your unfamiliarity with the level of

health I

> describe, it is attainable, and those who attain it experience

themselves

> and others quite differently from all that you describe and presume

to be

> " true " .

>

> We don't need multiple showers daily, though I understand the ideas

that Tom

> was sharing. We DO benefit from constructive feedback, and I know

of no more

> constructive feedback than that provided by our own bodies.

>

> People talk about listening to their bodies. What a load of

nonsense!!!

> People do everything they can imagine to block any meaningful

awareness of

> their own bodies, then wonder why they cannot figure out what

choices to

> make.

>

> Use products if you wish, discuss products to your heart's delight.

But

> please do not tell anyone that these are necessary, or that we all

> inherently stink, or the like, for this things simply are not so.

There is

> much here for you to learn ... if you are willing, if you allow

another

> innate quality present in all humans, called " curiosity " , to come

to the

> fore and lead your exploration.

>

> Best to all,

> Elchanan

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On

Behalf Of

> Margaret Gamez

> Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:45 PM

> rawfood

> Re: [Raw Food] Why not stop using products?

>

>

> Aside from the natural products which you can make yourself,

> (if you like, I can start listing a number of books which

> have recipes for making such items),

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

how true belinda...

 

i remember reading a story a few yrs ago about a dog that smelled

cancer in their master...

 

dont recall if it went on to be used for detection as a tool...dogs

noses i mean..or just an isolated incident..

 

but it makes total sense..

 

our noses are one of the last truly primitive instincts humans

have..we need to treat it with respect. Cuz the nose knows...

 

8-)

anna

 

On 6/7/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote:

> OK my understanding about using products or not, stinky or not is....

>

> If one is not clean on the inside (most of the population in America)

> one needs to use body and hair cleansing products. As well as not

> juse deoderant, but anti-perperant. Big difference.

>

>

> But if one is truley clean on the inside, then it is possible to get

> along without the products and not be offensive to others.

>

> However, I believe in both cases, climate and environment can make a

> difference in the outcome of body odor.

>

> Now I know from my own experinace, there are times that I can go

> without anitpersperant and not have odor or underarm sweating. This

> happens between my cycles. So I am guessing horomones play a big

> part in this. A day or two before my period starts, I get the sweaty

> underarms and it continues thru the early part of the cycle. Then it

> is gone.

>

> I take a bath at night and never put on the anti-persperant until

> morning, as I do not need it for sleeping.

>

> I would love to find a way to live without it completely, because I

> have read studies linking anti-persperant to breast cancer.

> As well as Alzheimers disease, due to the aluminum in the anti-

> persperant.

>

>

> So I truley believe what El is saying about the diet and body odor

> problems. And a healthy body and body odor problems. One just needs

> to visit a nursing home or hospital to learn about illness and body

> odor.

> I would even venture to guess that if every one was consicous of how

> they smelled, then they could probably detect illnesses in their body

> before a doctor even could.

>

> You know there are dogs that have been trained to detect their

> owner's seizure before it happens. Apparently the body odor changes

> prior to the seizure and the dog can detect it and warn the owner of

> the impending seizure.

>

> My poor dog and best friend, Hoss with the kidney failure. He

> developed peculiar odors before I knew what was wrong with him. In

> fact his odors is what clued the vet in on what was wrong with him.

> Blood tests confirmed it.

>

> So I have no doubt that body smells can tell you a lot about your

> state of health. So we wash it off and cover it up and ignore it

> until something more serious that we cannot ignore crops up.

>

> Belinda

>

>

>

>

>

> -- In rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote:

> >

> > Margaret,

> >

> > No one needs any of these products, they are harmful to at least

> some

> > degree, and they cause us to misread ourselves, to miss the

> messages our

> > systems provide. Regardless of your unfamiliarity with the level of

> health I

> > describe, it is attainable, and those who attain it experience

> themselves

> > and others quite differently from all that you describe and presume

> to be

> > " true " .

> >

> > We don't need multiple showers daily, though I understand the ideas

> that Tom

> > was sharing. We DO benefit from constructive feedback, and I know

> of no more

> > constructive feedback than that provided by our own bodies.

> >

> > People talk about listening to their bodies. What a load of

> nonsense!!!

> > People do everything they can imagine to block any meaningful

> awareness of

> > their own bodies, then wonder why they cannot figure out what

> choices to

> > make.

> >

> > Use products if you wish, discuss products to your heart's delight.

> But

> > please do not tell anyone that these are necessary, or that we all

> > inherently stink, or the like, for this things simply are not so.

> There is

> > much here for you to learn ... if you are willing, if you allow

> another

> > innate quality present in all humans, called " curiosity " , to come

> to the

> > fore and lead your exploration.

> >

> > Best to all,

> > Elchanan

> > _____

> >

> > rawfood [rawfood ] On

> Behalf Of

> > Margaret Gamez

> > Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:45 PM

> > rawfood

> > Re: [Raw Food] Why not stop using products?

> >

> >

> > Aside from the natural products which you can make yourself,

> > (if you like, I can start listing a number of books which

> > have recipes for making such items),

> >

> >

> >