Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Perhaps time to update the subject line a bit? Just a suggestion Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of jeannieh h Sunday, May 20, 2007 7:01 PM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] My Take on Elchanan (WAS) Out of balance so true! Back in my day ...lol.....there was no " raw " lifestyles. No " fad " diets, adkins, etc... I fed my kids the best I could, that meant alot of cheapo, quickie meals often times. That's what I could afford back then. But also... we didn't have all the harmful pesticides, the lab created foods, to the extent we have today. I think that is one reason why I feel so " starved " for education to undo all the years of abuse and damage I created in myself and therefore my children. I'd like to pass on some really sound education/information to my grandkids. But mainly I want to lead by example, in a better, healthier way. Regards, Jeannie your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one. sarah shaw <hppymummy (AT) hotmail (DOT) <hppymummy%40hotmail.com> com> rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com Sunday, May 20, 2007 8:41:07 PM Re: [Raw Food] My Take on Elchanan (WAS) Out of balance thanks I am sure we all have things we would have done differently as parents if the education and resources were there. But we do the best with what we have and try to enjoy every minute of it. And of course thats where being a grandparent comes in handy we can do the things we wanted to do with our kids but couldnt with grand kids. >jeannieh h <jeannieh99 (AT) (DOT) <jeannieh99%40> com> >rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com >rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com >Re: [Raw Food] My Take on Elchanan (WAS) Out of balance >Sun, 20 May 2007 18:24:58 -0700 (PDT) > >Dear Ms Sarah, > >You are probably a far better parent than I ever was. I was 17 naive, un >educated, etc....when I had my first....many many (too many's...lol) years >ago. lol > >I'm sure there are lots of guilt on the table to pass around. lol > > >I send you a ((hug)) and an olive branch................. > >we are on the same page here. > >Regards, > >Jeannie > >your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no >one. > > > > >sarah shaw <hppymummy (AT) hotmail (DOT) <hppymummy%40hotmail.com> com> >rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com >Sunday, May 20, 2007 8:08:12 PM >Re: [Raw Food] My Take on Elchanan (WAS) Out of balance > > >The only thing I feel guilty about is the lack of education I had growing >up >as far as nutrition goes, that is why I am here like most to learn I but >that being said I am not going to take someones word I need hard evidence >to >make a decision if this is right for me. I was being defensive after all >the coments started comming. I thought the pot was being stired with me in >the middle if you took my post #29248 as defensive I am sorry you felt that >way but I do have a right to disagree and voice my opinion. That being >said >it is over. somewhere it got blown way out of proportion. >Lets move on > > > >jeannieh h <jeannieh99 (AT) (DOT) <jeannieh99%40> com> > >rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com > >rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com > >Re: [Raw Food] My Take on Elchanan (WAS) Out of balance > >Sun, 20 May 2007 17:58:47 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Lisa, > > > >I personally am ready to move on. However, I had to say, I share your > >sentiment in this well stated post. I know for me, I tend to get angry > >when somewhere in side me I might be feeling a tad guilty that the person > >might be right about something and I become defensive. I never once got > >that he was making any assertions that anyone was a bad parent. It is > >easier to look outward than to look inward. I also feel the unkindness > >towards him, whether intentionally or not. Regardless......... > > > >It may be time to just agree that we will not always agree on things and >It > >is ok. > > > > This is still an awesome group. I do feel that he has valuable > >information that we ALL can benefit from (If we allow ourselves to) and >we > >are still free to take what works and leave the rest for those that want > >it. At the dinner table, I will pass the peas because I don't like peas. > >I'll take some mashed potatoes... j/k > >May we continue with him, and whomever might want to participate? > > > >May we be led away from discourse and on to the path to raw!! > > > > > >Respectfully, > > > >Jeannie > > > >your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no > >one. > > > > > > > > > >Lisa & Mica Fine <lisafine@warpdriveo <lisafine%40warpdriveonline.com> nline.com> > >rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com > >Sunday, May 20, 2007 5:29:20 PM > >[Raw Food] My Take on Elchanan (WAS) Out of balance > > > > > >Hello Everyone, > > > >I wanted to share my outlook on Elchanan. I've been a member of this >group > >for quite a while, and have been a member of Path of Health since just a > >few days after its formation. Elchanan is a complex man. > > > >Honestly, I empathize with what many of you may be feeling : ) In the > >beginning, I too thought Elchanan seemed like a " know it all " . His posts > >made me angry, raised my blood pressure. I thought he was the biggest > >fraud and cult leader wanna be. It seemed he had an answer for >everything, > >and seemed brash and haughty. But...also like many of you, his posts >are > >compelling, and I was found myself not wanting to filter out his >messages. > > > >For a long time, even *after* joining Path of Health, I read his posts >with > >an eye toward picking them apart, as well as shaking my head at his heavy > >handedness. BUT.....I noticed that unlike many others who call >themselves > >experts, Elchanan is *consistent* in his message. Not on diet alone, but > >on physiology as a whole, and even on diverse and unrelated topics. > > > >We are not " followers " of Elchanan. I doubt any one of us who cherish >his > >insight agree fully with everything he has to say on every topic. But at > >least he has an opinion, at least he take the time to answer questions > >fully. He doesn't advocate one thing this week, and another the next. He > >doesn't have a website claiming hisself " World Authority " of anything. >He > >doesn't have a commerce site full of the overpriced > >supplement/superfood/bullsh%* of the moment. All he does is offer his > >personal insight, and he offers it freely. If you do choose to be a long > >term member of Path of Health, the tiny member fee is less than the dues >at > >WeightWatchers!!! And how many of us have paid for that or similar >things > >with NO return of insight or genuine community?? If you get to know him, > >you will see that he is fully human, admits mistakes, has a wonderful >sense > >of humor, is compassionate, quirky, and generous with his words, time, >and > >resources. He is always ready to learn new > > things. He is not didactic or close minded. > > > >My point is not to convine any of you to adore Elchanan. I only ask that > >you do two things: first, read what he has to say for a while...he grows > >on you as you get to see his patient consistency, and second, examine >your > >discomfort with his postings. Is your discomfort more about you than it >is > >him? How does it hurt you for him to post often and opinionatedly? Do >you > >have better answers to the questions he responds to? If so...post away, > >instead of bemoaning that he is trying to dominate the group. > > > >For a while, try to see his gift to you. He is offering what he has to > >give. > > > >Last...have any of you considered how unkind you have been to him? What >if > >someone were saying these things about you? What if you belonged to a > >group that you felt passionately about...like, I don't know...rose > >gardening, animal rescue, etc. I bet that as opinionated as Elchanan may > >be, and even if he is incorrect about every subject he writes about, I > >maintain that you have hurt him. Isn't raw veganism somewhat about >raising > >our lives on all levels? Isn't kindness and compassion a worthy ideal? > > > >How easily we disregard the feelings of others. > > > >To new members: keep your eyes open on this journey. Elchanan is a >voice > >in the wilderness. > > > >To complaining members: Let's see your opinions about these topics >instead > >of your opinion on Elchanan's post count. > > > >To Elchanan: Thank You. > > > >Thanks for listening! > >Lisa Fine > > > > > > > > - > > Judy > > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com > > Sunday, May 20, 2007 3:54 PM > > Re: [Raw Food] Out of balance > > > > > > > > Just wanted to say that I love reading Elchanan's posts. I find them > >very interesting, even in the times I don't agree with everything, and I > >can appreciate Elchanan taking the time to reply/share knowledge/etc. > > > > I also wanted to say that if there are people you'd rather not hear >from > >on the list, just go to your mail filters and set it so their posts go > >directly into your trash. That way you're not bothered by them, and you > >don't have to read them or even see them. I've done that with people I > >thought were obnoxious (not on this list, but on others) and it solves >the > >problem neatly, and the people who enjoy the person's posts can continue >to > >enjoy them. > > > > Just my 2 cents. > > Best wishes, > > Judy > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my opinion, but I feel this group is being > > > > > dominated by one poster > > > > > Elchanan who responds to nearly every post with > > > > > lengthy opinions stated as > > > > > > > > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your >story. > > Play Sims Stories at Games. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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