Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 sarah shaw <hppymummy rawfood Sunday, May 20, 2007 9:23:36 PM Re: [Raw Food] Mirrors...was..Cravings for sad.. You wrote: " As for the mirror get rid of it they are not nice. Everytime i see my reflection in the patio door I want to cry it is not a nice door. " ROTFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have evil scales, mirrors, doors...but I also should be showering with my eyes closed. LOL Regards, Jeannie :-0 your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one. >jeannieh h <jeannieh99 >rawfood >rawfood >Re: [Raw Food] Cravings for sad..was...Breakouts(was)My Take on >Elchanan (WAS) Out of balance >Sun, 20 May 2007 19:11:35 -0700 (PDT) > >I wish I could say I am loosing cravings for sad. I am a moments notice >away from diving into sad. I wish I could be on the side you are in that >regard. I had to cook and watch my dh eat a steak yesterday. Tonight he >ordered pizza!!! > >I look at those commercials for all that sad food and I have to say I want >it. As the compulsive eater I am and will always be. I have to just tell >myself " that is poison for me " . I am guilty of loving sad. >That is another reason I am loving the raw lifestyle. I am still eating >alot, I am just eating alot of what is better for me AND I seem to be >loosing weight. My scale doesn't say I'm loosing, but my clothes say I am. >I still see the big fat me when I look in the mirror. I hope that will >change in time. > >As of today I am I am 17 days in the raw. > >I am taking the AA approach of " one day at a time " . > > >Regards, > >Jeannie > >your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no >one. > > > > >sarah shaw <hppymummy >rawfood >Sunday, May 20, 2007 8:36:59 PM >Re: [Raw Food] Breakouts(was)My Take on Elchanan (WAS) Out of >balance > > >I for one have not really been blessed with the bathroom thing as much as >others but I do feel really good and I am loosing cravings for sad food. > > > >jeannieh h <jeannieh99 > >rawfood > >rawfood > >Re: [Raw Food] Breakouts(was)My Take on Elchanan (WAS) Out of > >balance > >Sun, 20 May 2007 18:13:42 -0700 (PDT) > > > >My opinion is not so much that it keep " reapearing " as much as that >people > >feel compelled to respond to posts they feel something about. This tends >to > >be one that hits a chord with me as I am sure it does with others that > >felt/feel the need to respond to it. So it is out of curtesy that we >allow > >the responses no? They are not violating anything that I'm aware of are > >they? > > > > > > > > > >I have started the bananas. So far nothing but frequent trips to the > >bathroom. lol I guess that's a good thing? lol > > > > > >Sincerely, > > > > > >Jeannie > > > > > > > > > > > > > >your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no > >one. > > > > > > > > > >sarah shaw <hppymummy > >rawfood > >Sunday, May 20, 2007 7:42:23 PM > >Re: [Raw Food] Breakouts(was)My Take on Elchanan (WAS) Out of > >balance > > > > > >Thanks I thought it was over but it just keeps reapearing. So I will >change > >the topic > >anyone having problems with breakouts after the first week of the banana > >detox my face looks like a dart board? > > > > > > > " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece > > >rawfood > > >rawfood > > >Re: [Raw Food] My Take on Elchanan (WAS) Out of balance > > >Sun, 20 May 2007 17:27:58 -0700 > > > > > >you werent wrong sarah. You had a viable concern and it was addressed. > > >Pretty simple really except some want to make it into something its > > >not. > > > > > >i wish we could move on. We have so many hungry people here....... > > > > > >anna 8=) > > > > > >On 5/20/07, sarah shaw <hppymummy wrote: > > > > I posted a response to someones question about constipation from my > > >personal > > > > experience, I was not asking for info. And he replied that my son >had > > > > emotional problems that is why he got constipated when he ate >bananas > > >and > > > > that I should only be breastfeeding him without giving him food. >Why > > >should > > > > I follow what he is telling me to do when millions of doctors say > > >otherwise, > > > > he has no physical evidence to support what he is saying. well I > > >strongly > > > > disagree is that not what groups are about I didnt realize we had to > > >agree > > > > with him. This is the attitude he puts across in his posts and he > >will > > >keep > > > > sending these posts until you see it his way. This is my issue. >One > >of > > >the > > > > first times I have posted a response to a question I get badgered on > > >what I > > > > should be doing with my child. If he had these so called emotional > > >problems > > > > why doesnt he get constipated when he eats other fruits or veggies. > > > > hmmmmmmmmm! I am just trying to explain myself better so people can > > > > understand. > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Lisa & Mica Fine " <lisafine > > > > >rawfood > > > > ><rawfood > > > > > >[Raw Food] My Take on Elchanan (WAS) Out of balance > > > > >Sun, 20 May 2007 16:29:20 -0600 > > > > > > > > > >Hello Everyone, > > > > > > > > > >I wanted to share my outlook on Elchanan. I've been a member of >this > > >group > > > > >for quite a while, and have been a member of Path of Health since > >just > > >a > > > > >few days after its formation. Elchanan is a complex man. > > > > > > > > > >Honestly, I empathize with what many of you may be feeling : ) In > >the > > > > >beginning, I too thought Elchanan seemed like a " know it all " . His > > >posts > > > > >made me angry, raised my blood pressure. I thought he was the > >biggest > > > > >fraud and cult leader wanna be. It seemed he had an answer for > > >everything, > > > > >and seemed brash and haughty. But...also like many of you, his > >posts > > >are > > > > >compelling, and I was found myself not wanting to filter out his > > >messages. > > > > > > > > > >For a long time, even *after* joining Path of Health, I read his > >posts > > >with > > > > >an eye toward picking them apart, as well as shaking my head at his > > >heavy > > > > >handedness. BUT.....I noticed that unlike many others who call > > >themselves > > > > >experts, Elchanan is *consistent* in his message. Not on diet >alone, > > >but > > > > >on physiology as a whole, and even on diverse and unrelated topics. > > > > > > > > > >We are not " followers " of Elchanan. I doubt any one of us who > >cherish > > >his > > > > >insight agree fully with everything he has to say on every topic. > >But > > >at > > > > >least he has an opinion, at least he take the time to answer > >questions > > > > >fully. He doesn't advocate one thing this week, and another the > >next. > > >He > > > > >doesn't have a website claiming hisself " World Authority " of > >anything. > > >He > > > > >doesn't have a commerce site full of the overpriced > > > > >supplement/superfood/bullsh%* of the moment. All he does is offer >his > > > > >personal insight, and he offers it freely. If you do choose to be >a > > >long > > > > >term member of Path of Health, the tiny member fee is less than the > > >dues at > > > > >WeightWatchers!!! And how many of us have paid for that or similar > > >things > > > > >with NO return of insight or genuine community?? If you get to >know > > >him, > > > > >you will see that he is fully human, admits mistakes, has a >wonderful > > >sense > > > > >of humor, is compassionate, quirky, and generous with his words, > >time, > > >and > > > > >resources. He is always ready to learn new things. He is not > >didactic > > >or > > > > >close minded. > > > > > > > > > >My point is not to convine any of you to adore Elchanan. I only >ask > > >that > > > > >you do two things: first, read what he has to say for a while...he > > >grows > > > > >on you as you get to see his patient consistency, and second, >examine > > >your > > > > >discomfort with his postings. Is your discomfort more about you >than > > >it is > > > > >him? How does it hurt you for him to post often and opinionatedly? > >Do > > >you > > > > >have better answers to the questions he responds to? If so...post > > >away, > > > > >instead of bemoaning that he is trying to dominate the group. > > > > > > > > > >For a while, try to see his gift to you. He is offering what he >has > >to > > > > >give. > > > > > > > > > >Last...have any of you considered how unkind you have been to him? > > >What if > > > > >someone were saying these things about you? What if you belonged >to > >a > > > > >group that you felt passionately about...like, I don't know...rose > > > > >gardening, animal rescue, etc. I bet that as opinionated as >Elchanan > > >may > > > > >be, and even if he is incorrect about every subject he writes >about, > >I > > > > >maintain that you have hurt him. Isn't raw veganism somewhat about > > >raising > > > > >our lives on all levels? Isn't kindness and compassion a worthy > >ideal? > > > > > > > > > >How easily we disregard the feelings of others. > > > > > > > > > >To new members: keep your eyes open on this journey. Elchanan is >a > > >voice > > > > >in the wilderness. > > > > > > > > > >To complaining members: Let's see your opinions about these topics > > >instead > > > > >of your opinion on Elchanan's post count. > > > > > > > > > >To Elchanan: Thank You. > > > > > > > > > >Thanks for listening! > > > > >Lisa Fine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Judy > > > > > rawfood > > > > > Sunday, May 20, 2007 3:54 PM > > > > > Re: [Raw Food] Out of balance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wanted to say that I love reading Elchanan's posts. I find > >them > > > > >very interesting, even in the times I don't agree with everything, > >and > > >I > > > > >can appreciate Elchanan taking the time to reply/share >knowledge/etc. > > > > > > > > > > I also wanted to say that if there are people you'd rather not > >hear > > >from > > > > >on the list, just go to your mail filters and set it so their posts > >go > > > > >directly into your trash. That way you're not bothered by them, and > >you > > > > >don't have to read them or even see them. I've done that with >people > >I > > > > >thought were obnoxious (not on this list, but on others) and it > >solves > > >the > > > > >problem neatly, and the people who enjoy the person's posts can > > >continue to > > > > >enjoy them. > > > > > > > > > > Just my 2 cents. > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > Judy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my opinion, but I feel this group is being > > > > > > > > dominated by one poster > > > > > > > > Elchanan who responds to nearly every post with > > > > > > > > lengthy opinions stated as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your > > >story. > > > > > Play Sims Stories at Games. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 If your scales are off there must be something wrong with the floor!!! LOL >jeannieh h <jeannieh99 >rawfood >rawfood >Re: [Raw Food] Cravings for sad..was.. >Sun, 20 May 2007 20:06:29 -0700 (PDT) > > >sarah shaw <hppymummy >rawfood >Sunday, May 20, 2007 9:23:36 PM >Re: [Raw Food] Mirrors...was..Cravings for sad.. > > >You wrote: > " As for the mirror get rid of it they are not nice. Everytime i see my >reflection in the patio door I want to cry it is not a nice door. " > >ROTFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >I have evil scales, mirrors, doors...but I also should be showering with my >eyes closed. LOL > >Regards, > >Jeannie :-0 > > >your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no >one. > > > > > > >jeannieh h <jeannieh99 > >rawfood > >rawfood > >Re: [Raw Food] Cravings for sad..was...Breakouts(was)My Take on > >Elchanan (WAS) Out of balance > >Sun, 20 May 2007 19:11:35 -0700 (PDT) > > > >I wish I could say I am loosing cravings for sad. I am a moments notice > >away from diving into sad. I wish I could be on the side you are in that > >regard. I had to cook and watch my dh eat a steak yesterday. Tonight he > >ordered pizza!!! > > > >I look at those commercials for all that sad food and I have to say I >want > >it. As the compulsive eater I am and will always be. I have to just tell > >myself " that is poison for me " . I am guilty of loving sad. > >That is another reason I am loving the raw lifestyle. I am still eating > >alot, I am just eating alot of what is better for me AND I seem to be > >loosing weight. My scale doesn't say I'm loosing, but my clothes say I >am. > >I still see the big fat me when I look in the mirror. I hope that will > >change in time. > > > >As of today I am I am 17 days in the raw. > > > >I am taking the AA approach of " one day at a time " . > > > > > >Regards, > > > >Jeannie > > > >your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no > >one. > > > > > > > > > >sarah shaw <hppymummy > >rawfood > >Sunday, May 20, 2007 8:36:59 PM > >Re: [Raw Food] Breakouts(was)My Take on Elchanan (WAS) Out of > >balance > > > > > >I for one have not really been blessed with the bathroom thing as much as > >others but I do feel really good and I am loosing cravings for sad food. > > > > > > >jeannieh h <jeannieh99 > > >rawfood > > >rawfood > > >Re: [Raw Food] Breakouts(was)My Take on Elchanan (WAS) Out of > > >balance > > >Sun, 20 May 2007 18:13:42 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >My opinion is not so much that it keep " reapearing " as much as that > >people > > >feel compelled to respond to posts they feel something about. This >tends > >to > > >be one that hits a chord with me as I am sure it does with others that > > >felt/feel the need to respond to it. So it is out of curtesy that we > >allow > > >the responses no? They are not violating anything that I'm aware of are > > >they? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I have started the bananas. So far nothing but frequent trips to the > > >bathroom. lol I guess that's a good thing? lol > > > > > > > > >Sincerely, > > > > > > > > >Jeannie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no > > >one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >sarah shaw <hppymummy > > >rawfood > > >Sunday, May 20, 2007 7:42:23 PM > > >Re: [Raw Food] Breakouts(was)My Take on Elchanan (WAS) Out of > > >balance > > > > > > > > >Thanks I thought it was over but it just keeps reapearing. So I will > >change > > >the topic > > >anyone having problems with breakouts after the first week of the >banana > > >detox my face looks like a dart board? > > > > > > > > > > " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece > > > >rawfood > > > >rawfood > > > >Re: [Raw Food] My Take on Elchanan (WAS) Out of balance > > > >Sun, 20 May 2007 17:27:58 -0700 > > > > > > > >you werent wrong sarah. You had a viable concern and it was >addressed. > > > >Pretty simple really except some want to make it into something its > > > >not. > > > > > > > >i wish we could move on. We have so many hungry people here....... > > > > > > > >anna 8=) > > > > > > > >On 5/20/07, sarah shaw <hppymummy wrote: > > > > > I posted a response to someones question about constipation from >my > > > >personal > > > > > experience, I was not asking for info. And he replied that my son > >had > > > > > emotional problems that is why he got constipated when he ate > >bananas > > > >and > > > > > that I should only be breastfeeding him without giving him food. > >Why > > > >should > > > > > I follow what he is telling me to do when millions of doctors say > > > >otherwise, > > > > > he has no physical evidence to support what he is saying. well I > > > >strongly > > > > > disagree is that not what groups are about I didnt realize we had >to > > > >agree > > > > > with him. This is the attitude he puts across in his posts and he > > >will > > > >keep > > > > > sending these posts until you see it his way. This is my issue. > >One > > >of > > > >the > > > > > first times I have posted a response to a question I get badgered >on > > > >what I > > > > > should be doing with my child. If he had these so called >emotional > > > >problems > > > > > why doesnt he get constipated when he eats other fruits or >veggies. > > > > > hmmmmmmmmm! I am just trying to explain myself better so people >can > > > > > understand. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Lisa & Mica Fine " <lisafine > > > > > >rawfood > > > > > ><rawfood > > > > > > >[Raw Food] My Take on Elchanan (WAS) Out of balance > > > > > >Sun, 20 May 2007 16:29:20 -0600 > > > > > > > > > > > >Hello Everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > >I wanted to share my outlook on Elchanan. I've been a member of > >this > > > >group > > > > > >for quite a while, and have been a member of Path of Health since > > >just > > > >a > > > > > >few days after its formation. Elchanan is a complex man. > > > > > > > > > > > >Honestly, I empathize with what many of you may be feeling : ) >In > > >the > > > > > >beginning, I too thought Elchanan seemed like a " know it all " . >His > > > >posts > > > > > >made me angry, raised my blood pressure. I thought he was the > > >biggest > > > > > >fraud and cult leader wanna be. It seemed he had an answer for > > > >everything, > > > > > >and seemed brash and haughty. But...also like many of you, his > > >posts > > > >are > > > > > >compelling, and I was found myself not wanting to filter out his > > > >messages. > > > > > > > > > > > >For a long time, even *after* joining Path of Health, I read his > > >posts > > > >with > > > > > >an eye toward picking them apart, as well as shaking my head at >his > > > >heavy > > > > > >handedness. BUT.....I noticed that unlike many others who call > > > >themselves > > > > > >experts, Elchanan is *consistent* in his message. Not on diet > >alone, > > > >but > > > > > >on physiology as a whole, and even on diverse and unrelated >topics. > > > > > > > > > > > >We are not " followers " of Elchanan. I doubt any one of us who > > >cherish > > > >his > > > > > >insight agree fully with everything he has to say on every topic. > > >But > > > >at > > > > > >least he has an opinion, at least he take the time to answer > > >questions > > > > > >fully. He doesn't advocate one thing this week, and another the > > >next. > > > >He > > > > > >doesn't have a website claiming hisself " World Authority " of > > >anything. > > > >He > > > > > >doesn't have a commerce site full of the overpriced > > > > > >supplement/superfood/bullsh%* of the moment. All he does is offer > >his > > > > > >personal insight, and he offers it freely. If you do choose to >be > >a > > > >long > > > > > >term member of Path of Health, the tiny member fee is less than >the > > > >dues at > > > > > >WeightWatchers!!! And how many of us have paid for that or >similar > > > >things > > > > > >with NO return of insight or genuine community?? If you get to > >know > > > >him, > > > > > >you will see that he is fully human, admits mistakes, has a > >wonderful > > > >sense > > > > > >of humor, is compassionate, quirky, and generous with his words, > > >time, > > > >and > > > > > >resources. He is always ready to learn new things. He is not > > >didactic > > > >or > > > > > >close minded. > > > > > > > > > > > >My point is not to convine any of you to adore Elchanan. I only > >ask > > > >that > > > > > >you do two things: first, read what he has to say for a >while...he > > > >grows > > > > > >on you as you get to see his patient consistency, and second, > >examine > > > >your > > > > > >discomfort with his postings. Is your discomfort more about you > >than > > > >it is > > > > > >him? How does it hurt you for him to post often and >opinionatedly? > > >Do > > > >you > > > > > >have better answers to the questions he responds to? If >so...post > > > >away, > > > > > >instead of bemoaning that he is trying to dominate the group. > > > > > > > > > > > >For a while, try to see his gift to you. He is offering what he > >has > > >to > > > > > >give. > > > > > > > > > > > >Last...have any of you considered how unkind you have been to >him? > > > >What if > > > > > >someone were saying these things about you? What if you belonged > >to > > >a > > > > > >group that you felt passionately about...like, I don't >know...rose > > > > > >gardening, animal rescue, etc. I bet that as opinionated as > >Elchanan > > > >may > > > > > >be, and even if he is incorrect about every subject he writes > >about, > > >I > > > > > >maintain that you have hurt him. Isn't raw veganism somewhat >about > > > >raising > > > > > >our lives on all levels? Isn't kindness and compassion a worthy > > >ideal? > > > > > > > > > > > >How easily we disregard the feelings of others. > > > > > > > > > > > >To new members: keep your eyes open on this journey. Elchanan >is > >a > > > >voice > > > > > >in the wilderness. > > > > > > > > > > > >To complaining members: Let's see your opinions about these >topics > > > >instead > > > > > >of your opinion on Elchanan's post count. > > > > > > > > > > > >To Elchanan: Thank You. > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks for listening! > > > > > >Lisa Fine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > Judy > > > > > > rawfood > > > > > > Sunday, May 20, 2007 3:54 PM > > > > > > Re: [Raw Food] Out of balance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wanted to say that I love reading Elchanan's posts. I >find > > >them > > > > > >very interesting, even in the times I don't agree with >everything, > > >and > > > >I > > > > > >can appreciate Elchanan taking the time to reply/share > >knowledge/etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > I also wanted to say that if there are people you'd rather not > > >hear > > > >from > > > > > >on the list, just go to your mail filters and set it so their >posts > > >go > > > > > >directly into your trash. That way you're not bothered by them, >and > > >you > > > > > >don't have to read them or even see them. I've done that with > >people > > >I > > > > > >thought were obnoxious (not on this list, but on others) and it > > >solves > > > >the > > > > > >problem neatly, and the people who enjoy the person's posts can > > > >continue to > > > > > >enjoy them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Just my 2 cents. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Judy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my opinion, but I feel this group is being > > > > > > > > > dominated by one poster > > > > > > > > > Elchanan who responds to nearly every post with > > > > > > > > > lengthy opinions stated as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, >your > > > >story. > > > > > > Play Sims Stories at Games. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.