Cooking/Shopping Dilema

[Guest guest]

I am finding it harder and harder to cook animal products the longer I am vegan.

It is increasingly difficult to buy them at all. I am the primary shopper and

cook in the house. Spouse is unconvertable at this point. He dislikes legumes

and is picky about vegetables. He is a meat and potatoes person. He also doesn't

cook for himself. If I don't cook, he doesn't eat " real meals " . He doesn't like

the texture of vegan meats either.

[Guest guest]

I cook for my animals and also find buying meat difficult. I can not believe carnivores (cats and dogs) can be healthy on vegetarian diets as some claim.

and do not believe most commercial pet foods are safe or nutritional either.

 

Dorothy in N. FL.

 

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daffy_kitty5

 

 

I am finding it harder and harder to cook animal products the longer I am vegan.It is increasingly difficult to buy them at all. I am the primary shopper andcook in the house. Spouse is unconvertable at this point. He dislikes legumesand is picky about vegetables. He is a meat and potatoes person. He also doesn'tlike the texture of vegan meats either.cook for himself. If I don't cook, he doesn't eat "real meals".

 

 

[Guest guest]

I don't like the commercial dog food either, but don't know what to do to

replace it. I've researched it a bit, but have never come to any decision.

 

, " dgp " <dgpagano wrote:

>

> I cook for my animals and also find buying meat difficult. I can not believe

carnivores (cats and dogs) can be healthy on vegetarian diets as some claim.

> and do not believe most commercial pet foods are safe or nutritional either.

>

> Dorothy in N. FL.

>

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> daffy_kitty5

>

> I am finding it harder and harder to cook animal products the longer I am

vegan.

> It is increasingly difficult to buy them at all. I am the primary shopper

and

> cook in the house. Spouse is unconvertable at this point. He dislikes

legumes

> and is picky about vegetables. He is a meat and potatoes person. He also

doesn't

> like the texture of vegan meats either.

> cook for himself. If I don't cook, he doesn't eat " real meals " .

>

[Guest guest]

Difficult!Can you do things like make a bolognese sauce that's half lentils or TVP or whatever and half meat? You might feel better about what you're cooking and he's eating...Or maybe he needs to learn to cook? Does he understand how you feel about dealing with animal products?Good luck! On 26/02/2010, at 5:30 AM, daffy_kitty5 wrote: I am finding it harder and harder to cook animal products the longer I am vegan. It is increasingly difficult to buy them at all. I am the primary shopper and cook in the house. Spouse is unconvertable at this point. He dislikes legumes and is picky about vegetables. He is a meat and potatoes person. He also doesn't cook for himself. If I don't cook, he doesn't eat "real meals". He doesn't like the texture of vegan meats either.

[Guest guest]

My husband, too, is not interested in being vegan--not one bit. And he is ULTRA-picky about beans, fruits, and veggies. It's frustrating, but as much as I can, I work around it. Seems that if I "hide" certain veggies in recipes, by using, say, garlic powder instead of whole garlic, or blending the onions and celery before using them, I can get away with more. Ugh. It's kind of like feeding a spoiled toddler, but we do what we need to do, I guess. He's actually a wonderful husband and father, and not at ALL a mean or deliberately difficult person, don't get me wrong! Food is just a tough issue for us.

 

That being said, your husband is a big boy. He either needs to bend a little and man up and eat what's cooked, or he needs to cook for himself, IMO. If he won't eat "real meals", so be it. Maybe he'll appreciate your meatless minestrone or spagetti with marinara and a nice green salad a lot more once he's had a week or two of his makeshift "meals". If you feel strongly about not buying meat--don't buy it! Tell him calmly and honestly that you simply can't do it anymore. If he wants it that bad, he's going to have to buy, cook, and eat it by himself. Maybe he won't be thrilled, but he can't argue with you about your feelings, either. They are what they are.

 

Right now, I'm still at the point where I do buy and cook meat. But meatless meals are getting more and more common here. I try to offer a meatless dish and meat alternative sometimes. Or I make a small meat side dish, and anyone who wants it can have it (like I'll make a pound of chopped meat to go with spagetti--not a huge amount but that's too bad), but it is not encouraged or required (I am also feeding six kids here). One child usually makes a meal out of things like a banana and a piece of matzo, or an apple and a pretzel (which is what he's eating right now)--so be it. It's food and it's vegan. I never argue.

 

I learned from Julie Wandling's raw vegan cookbooks that we need to rethink our idea of what a "meal" is, and it made so much sense to me. It was so liberating! So I don't stress out anymore over food. But I do sympathize with your situation! I hope you can find a good resolution for yourself and your husband. Marilyn

 

 

 

 

 

 

daffy_kitty5 <leta_mabel

 

Thu, Feb 25, 2010 11:30 am

Cooking/Shopping Dilema

 

 

 

I am finding it harder and harder to cook animal products the longer I am vegan.

It is increasingly difficult to buy them at all. I am the primary shopper and

cook in the house. Spouse is unconvertable at this point. He dislikes legumes

and is picky about vegetables. He is a meat and potatoes person. He also doesn't

cook for himself. If I don't cook, he doesn't eat "real meals". He doesn't like

the texture of vegan meats either.

[Guest guest]

On Thu, 25 Feb 2010, daffy_kitty5 wrote:

 

> I am finding it harder and harder to cook animal products the longer I am

vegan.

> It is increasingly difficult to buy them at all. I am the primary shopper and

> cook in the house. Spouse is unconvertable at this point. He dislikes legumes

> and is picky about vegetables. He is a meat and potatoes person. He also

doesn't

> cook for himself. If I don't cook, he doesn't eat " real meals " . He doesn't

like

> the texture of vegan meats either.

 

 

Perhaps watching this video would help to change his eating patterns; it

has had such an immediate, overwhelming, and powerful effect on the

(carnivorous) friends and associates I've shown it to, that I've come to

affectionately think of it as " The Veganizer " :

 

http://www.amazon.com/Eating-3rd-Mike-Anderson/dp/B001CRQ8K6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & \

s=dvd & qid=1267124579 & sr=8-1

 

-MEC

[Guest guest]

Well, I was just wondering if anyone else had a problem with buying and cooking

animal products. Or if this was just some weird obsession of mine.

 

 

 

 

, " daffy_kitty5 " <leta_mabel wrote:

>

> I am finding it harder and harder to cook animal products the longer I am

vegan.

> It is increasingly difficult to buy them at all. I am the primary shopper and

> cook in the house. Spouse is unconvertable at this point. He dislikes legumes

> and is picky about vegetables. He is a meat and potatoes person. He also

doesn't

> cook for himself. If I don't cook, he doesn't eat " real meals " . He doesn't

like

> the texture of vegan meats either.

>

[Guest guest]

I too am a vegan with a non-vegan husband. We have a pretty amicable compromise worked out. At home, we eat "mostly vegan" dinners a few nights a week (definition: mine is vegan, his is the same vegan dinner with a "side" of meat) and completely vegan dinners the other nights. I don't even cook all of it, which is very nice indeed! I am very fortunate, although my husband isn't crazy about beans, he eats all sorts of veggies AND tofu. He even likes tempeh!

 

I tend to get more resistance when I make fat-free food for both of us. Often he notices that more than the missing meat.

 

I am the primary shopper though..... once I was in line at the store behind some other vegetarians and somehow we started talking about vegan stuff (I think I heard them discussing a cookbook or something....) and everything was fine, friendly even, UNTIL they saw my husband's lunch meat in the cart. Then UGH... they were quite nasty! I don't like buying the meat but I like my husband and peace on the home front more.

 

Good luck!

-Erin

 

 

 

 

 

daffy_kitty5 <leta_mabel Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 11:30:21 AM Cooking/Shopping Dilema

I am finding it harder and harder to cook animal products the longer I am vegan.It is increasingly difficult to buy them at all. I am the primary shopper andcook in the house. Spouse is unconvertable at this point. He dislikes legumesand is picky about vegetables. He is a meat and potatoes person. He also doesn'tcook for himself. If I don't cook, he doesn't eat "real meals". He doesn't likethe texture of vegan meats either.

[Guest guest]

Erin--I have run into a really intolerant attitude more times than I care to recall, by what I call "veganer-than-thou" individuals. I am nowhere NEAR the "perfect" vegan. And I don't believe there ever CAN be a "perfect" vegan. But heaven forbid we SHOW that we are not trying to be perfect, or say something not totally in line with militant veganism, and (pardon the pun--I just have to) watch the fur fly! I have left more than one list in disgust over the snobby, clique-ish, intolerant, superior attitudes of people on those lists. It's really sad, because believe me, it turns off a LOT of what I like to call "aspiring" vegans (like ME!). After one encounter, I swore I would NEVER call myself a vegan, and wanted nothing to do with vegans ever again!

 

We are all in different places in our lives, and we need to acknowledge that, and honor that. We are on a path, NOT at our final stop. Marilyn

 

 

 

 

 

 

erin riley <rileysoprano

 

Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:55 pm

Re: Cooking/Shopping Dilema

 

 

 

 

 

 

I too am a vegan with a non-vegan husband. We have a pretty amicable compromise worked out. At home, we eat "mostly vegan" dinners a few nights a week (definition: mine is vegan, his is the same vegan dinner with a "side" of meat) and completely vegan dinners the other nights. I don't even cook all of it, which is very nice indeed! I am very fortunate, although my husband isn't crazy about beans, he eats all sorts of veggies AND tofu. He even likes tempeh!

 

I tend to get more resistance when I make fat-free food for both of us. Often he notices that more than the missing meat.

 

I am the primary shopper though..... once I was in line at the store behind some other vegetarians and somehow we started talking about vegan stuff (I think I heard them discussing a cookbook or something....) and everything was fine, friendly even, UNTIL they saw my husband's lunch meat in the cart. Then UGH... they were quite nasty! I don't like buying the meat but I like my husband and peace on the home front more.

 

Good luck!

-Erin

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

daffy_kitty5 <leta_mabel (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>

 

Thu, February 25, 2010 11:30:21 AM

Cooking/Shopping Dilema

 

I am finding it harder and harder to cook animal products the longer I am vegan.

It is increasingly difficult to buy them at all. I am the primary shopper and

cook in the house. Spouse is unconvertable at this point. He dislikes legumes

and is picky about vegetables. He is a meat and potatoes person. He also doesn't

cook for himself. If I don't cook, he doesn't eat "real meals". He doesn't like

the texture of vegan meats either.

[Guest guest]

I couldn't have said it better myself!) "sahmomof9" <sahmomof9 Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 5:57:52 PMRe:

Cooking/Shopping Dilema

 

 

 

Erin--I have run into a really intolerant attitude more times than I care to recall, by what I call "veganer-than- thou" individuals. I am nowhere NEAR the "perfect" vegan. And I don't believe there ever CAN be a "perfect" vegan. But heaven forbid we SHOW that we are not trying to be perfect, or say something not totally in line with militant veganism, and (pardon the pun--I just have to) watch the fur fly! I have left more than one list in disgust over the snobby, clique-ish, intolerant, superior attitudes of people on those lists. It's really sad, because believe me, it turns off a LOT of what I like to call "aspiring" vegans (like ME!). After one encounter, I swore I would NEVER call myself a vegan, and wanted nothing to do with vegans ever again!

 

We are all in different places in our lives, and we need to acknowledge that, and honor that. We are on a path, NOT at our final stop. Marilyn

 

 

 

 

 

 

erin riley <rileysoprano@ >

 

Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:55 pm

Re: Cooking/Shopping Dilema

 

 

 

 

 

 

I too am a vegan with a non-vegan husband. We have a pretty amicable compromise worked out. At home, we eat "mostly vegan" dinners a few nights a week (definition: mine is vegan, his is the same vegan dinner with a "side" of meat) and completely vegan dinners the other nights. I don't even cook all of it, which is very nice indeed! I am very fortunate, although my husband isn't crazy about beans, he eats all sorts of veggies AND tofu. He even likes tempeh!

 

I tend to get more resistance when I make fat-free food for both of us. Often he notices that more than the missing meat.

 

I am the primary shopper though..... once I was in line at the store behind some other vegetarians and somehow we started talking about vegan stuff (I think I heard them discussing a cookbook or something... .) and everything was fine, friendly even, UNTIL they saw my husband's lunch meat in the cart. Then UGH... they were quite nasty! I don't like buying the meat but I like my husband and peace on the home front more.

 

Good luck!

-Erin

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

daffy_kitty5 <leta_mabel (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>

 

Thu, February 25, 2010 11:30:21 AM

Cooking/Shopping Dilema

 

I am finding it harder and harder to cook animal products the longer I am vegan.

It is increasingly difficult to buy them at all. I am the primary shopper and

cook in the house. Spouse is unconvertable at this point. He dislikes legumes

and is picky about vegetables. He is a meat and potatoes person. He also doesn't

cook for himself. If I don't cook, he doesn't eat "real meals". He doesn't like

the texture of vegan meats either.

[Guest guest]



I always refer to myself as "mostly vegan." That covers any slip-ups. I find my vegan and vegetarian friends seldom, if ever, fault me for only being *mostly* vegan. They're just happy that, from their perspective, I'm on the right path. But my meat-eating friends always argue with me. I think it's because deep down they know I'm right and they're wrong.

 

Dena

 

 

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sahmomof9

Thursday, February 25, 2010 3:57 PM

Re: Cooking/Shopping Dilema

 

Erin--I have run into a really intolerant attitude more times than I care to recall, by what I call "veganer-than-thou" individuals. I am nowhere NEAR the "perfect" vegan. And I don't believe there ever CAN be a "perfect" vegan. But heaven forbid we SHOW that we are not trying to be perfect, or say something not totally in line with militant veganism, and (pardon the pun--I just have to) watch the fur fly! I have left more than one list in disgust over the snobby, clique-ish, intolerant, superior attitudes of people on those lists. It's really sad, because believe me, it turns off a LOT of what I like to call "aspiring" vegans (like ME!). After one encounter, I swore I would NEVER call myself a vegan, and wanted nothing to do with vegans ever again!

 

We are all in different places in our lives, and we need to acknowledge that, and honor that. We are on a path, NOT at our final stop. Marilyn

 

erin riley <rileysoprano > Sent: Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:55 pmRe: Cooking/Shopping Dilema

 

 

 

 

 

I too am a vegan with a non-vegan husband. We have a pretty amicable compromise worked out. At home, we eat "mostly vegan" dinners a few nights a week (definition: mine is vegan, his is the same vegan dinner with a "side" of meat) and completely vegan dinners the other nights. I don't even cook all of it, which is very nice indeed! I am very fortunate, although my husband isn't crazy about beans, he eats all sorts of veggies AND tofu. He even likes tempeh!

 

I tend to get more resistance when I make fat-free food for both of us. Often he notices that more than the missing meat.

 

I am the primary shopper though..... once I was in line at the store behind some other vegetarians and somehow we started talking about vegan stuff (I think I heard them discussing a cookbook or something....) and everything was fine, friendly even, UNTIL they saw my husband's lunch meat in the cart. Then UGH... they were quite nasty! I don't like buying the meat but I like my husband and peace on the home front more.

 

Good luck!

-Erin

 

 

 

 

 

daffy_kitty5 <leta_mabel (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 11:30:21 AM Cooking/Shopping Dilema

I am finding it harder and harder to cook animal products the longer I am vegan.It is increasingly difficult to buy them at all. I am the primary shopper andcook in the house. Spouse is unconvertable at this point. He dislikes legumesand is picky about vegetables. He is a meat and potatoes person. He also doesn'tcook for himself. If I don't cook, he doesn't eat "real meals". He doesn't likethe texture of vegan meats either.

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dr. Fuhrman says "nutritarian", some say "flexitarian". I like those. I said once to a group of people online that I was "almost a vegan", meaning that I was nearly there, diet-wise, working on it, but not quite there yet. I got POUNDED (verbally). They said "No, you;re not--you either are or you aren't, and you AREN'T", and similar things. No arguing with those kinds of people. It's either all black or all white. Effort counts for nothing. Journey counts for nothing. They are THERE, and I am NOT. The implication was that THEY were superior, and I was an impostor, a pathetic wannabe. They really looked down on people who were in there trying their best. Forgive me if I don't think they were all that "superior" to me. I left them to congratulate themselves on their perfection, and got myself out of there lest I contaminate their auras. Marilyn

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I always refer to myself as "mostly vegan." That covers any slip-ups. I find my vegan and vegetarian friends seldom, if ever, fault me for only being *mostly* vegan. They're just happy that, from their perspective, I'm on the right path. But my meat-eating friends always argue with me. I think it's because deep down they know I'm right and they're wrong.

 

Dena

 

 

[Guest guest]

Oh, then they'll get on your case about leather and wool and a whole host of

other things.

 

, " Dena Jo " <DenaJo2 wrote:

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> I always refer to myself as " mostly vegan. " That covers any slip-ups. I find

my vegan and vegetarian friends seldom, if ever, fault me for only being

*mostly* vegan. They're just happy that, from their perspective, I'm on the

right path. But my meat-eating friends always argue with me. I think it's

because deep down they know I'm right and they're wrong.

>

> Dena

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[Guest guest]

Ugh. And then that goes round and round about the tires on their cars and bikes, yada, yada, yada, into infinity! There is NO winning those arguments. I think it was Dr. McDougall who said he thinks of it as being a "pure vegetarian" and not a vegan, because the term "vegan" implies a whole lot more than just the diet. Made sense to me. He was also the one who said he eats a teeny, tiny piece of turkey at Thanksgiving so no one could accuse him of "extremism". It's unfortunate that there's all these distinctions people make. Makes it difficult to get anywhere productive. Marilyn

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, then they'll get on your case about leather and wool and a whole host of other things.

 

, "Dena Jo" <DenaJo2 wrote:

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> I always refer to myself as "mostly vegan." That covers any slip-ups. I find my vegan and vegetarian friends seldom, if ever, fault me for only being *mostly* vegan. They're just happy that, from their perspective, I'm on the right path. But my meat-eating friends always argue with me. I think it's because deep down they know I'm right and they're wrong.

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> Dena

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[Guest guest]

Well here's the funny thing about that.... I honestly try not to buy any new products that are leather etc.... (though wool is a little harder, try buying hiking and outdoors gear without ever accidentally getting any wool...... it's tough!) and I never really wore fur anyway. BUT it's such a personal decision that only my closest friends really notice. Plus it makes absolutely no sense from an enviromental standpoint to toss out all of my old shoes just to fill a landfill. So I am sure I still have many old "verboten" items in my home and wardrobe. As enfuriating as it is, I try to avoid coversations like the one you referenced if they seem more provacative than curious. With so much other good stuff going on in my life, why bother getting all worked up over something so negative and non-productive? ErinSent from my iPhoneOn Feb

25, 2010, at 7:54 PM, "daffy_kitty5" <leta_mabel wrote:

 

 

Oh, then they'll get on your case about leather and wool and a whole host of other things.

 

, "Dena Jo" <DenaJo2 wrote:

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> I always refer to myself as "mostly vegan." That covers any slip-ups. I find my vegan and vegetarian friends seldom, if ever, fault me for only being *mostly* vegan. They're just happy that, from their perspective, I'm on the right path. But my meat-eating friends always argue with me. I think it's because deep down they know I'm right and they're wrong.

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[Guest guest]

Oh god! Tires are non-vegan?! I never knew....... And here I thought the real issue with cars were the fossil fuels and noxious exhaust fumes (I live in downtown Baltimore....thus intimately aquainted with THAT stinky aspect of cars)I guess we'll have to return to the days of horses and buggies.....oh wait.....)Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 25, 2010, at 7:59 PM, sahmomof9 wrote:

 

 

Ugh. And then that goes round and round about the tires on their cars and bikes, yada, yada, yada, into infinity! There is NO winning those arguments. I think it was Dr. McDougall who said he thinks of it as being a "pure vegetarian" and not a vegan, because the term "vegan" implies a whole lot more than just the diet. Made sense to me. He was also the one who said he eats a teeny, tiny piece of turkey at Thanksgiving so no one could accuse him of "extremism". It's unfortunate that there's all these distinctions people make. Makes it difficult to get anywhere productive. Marilyn

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, then they'll get on your case about leather and wool and a whole host of other things.

 

, "Dena Jo" <DenaJo2 wrote:

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> I always refer to myself as "mostly vegan." That covers any slip-ups. I find my vegan and vegetarian friends seldom, if ever, fault me for only being *mostly* vegan. They're just happy that, from their perspective, I'm on the right path. But my meat-eating friends always argue with me. I think it's because deep down they know I'm right and they're wrong.

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> Dena

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[Guest guest]

ROFL!!!! Oh don't even go there about those poor buggy horses and animal abuse. That's a whole other can of worms. Oh wait! Why are the worms stuffed into a can instead of being in the ground, free and happy????......and the cycle continues. Marilyn

 

 

Erin <rileysoprano

Thu, Feb 25, 2010 8:36 pm

Re: Re: Cooking/Shopping Dilema

 

 

 

 

Oh god! Tires are non-vegan?! I never knew....... And here I thought the real issue with cars were the fossil fuels and noxious exhaust fumes (I live in downtown Baltimore....thus intimately aquainted with THAT stinky aspect of cars)

 

 

I guess we'll have to return to the days of horses and buggies.....oh wait.....

 

 

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Sent from my iPhone

 

On Feb 25, 2010, at 7:59 PM, sahmomof9 (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:

 

 

 

 

Ugh. And then that goes round and round about the tires on their cars and bikes, yada, yada, yada, into infinity! There is NO winning those arguments. I think it was Dr. McDougall who said he thinks of it as being a "pure vegetarian" and not a vegan, because the term "vegan" implies a whole lot more than just the diet. Made sense to me. He was also the one who said he eats a teeny, tiny piece of turkey at Thanksgiving so no one could accuse him of "extremism". It's unfortunate that there's all these distinctions people make. Makes it difficult to get anywhere productive. Marilyn

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, then they'll get on your case about leather and wool and a whole host of other things.

 

, "Dena Jo" <DenaJo2 wrote:

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> I always refer to myself as "mostly vegan." That covers any slip-ups. I find my vegan and vegetarian friends seldom, if ever, fault me for only being *mostly* vegan. They're just happy that, from their perspective, I'm on the right path. But my meat-eating friends always argue with me. I think it's because deep down they know I'm right and they're wrong.

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[Guest guest]

I totally agree with Marilyn. Anything or anyone who is fundamental anything needs to acknowledge that we are all on different paths for different reasons. Doesn't mean that you have to agree with it just means you need to have a bit of understanding and tolerance. Especially if you don't know the whole story which most of the time people don't.

 

--- On Thu, 2/25/10, sahmomof9 <sahmomof9 wrote:

sahmomof9 <sahmomof9Re: Cooking/Shopping Dilema Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 10:57 PM

 

Erin--I have run into a really intolerant attitude more times than I care to recall, by what I call "veganer-than- thou" individuals. I am nowhere NEAR the "perfect" vegan. And I don't believe there ever CAN be a "perfect" vegan. But heaven forbid we SHOW that we are not trying to be perfect, or say something not totally in line with militant veganism, and (pardon the pun--I just have to) watch the fur fly! I have left more than one list in disgust over the snobby, clique-ish, intolerant, superior attitudes of people on those lists. It's really sad, because believe me, it turns off a LOT of what I like to call "aspiring" vegans (like ME!). After one encounter, I swore I would NEVER call myself a vegan, and wanted nothing to do with vegans ever again!

 

We are all in different places in our lives, and we need to acknowledge that, and honor that. We are on a path, NOT at our final stop. Marilyn

 

erin riley <rileysoprano@ >Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:55 pmRe: Cooking/Shopping Dilema

 

 

 

 

 

I too am a vegan with a non-vegan husband. We have a pretty amicable compromise worked out. At home, we eat "mostly vegan" dinners a few nights a week (definition: mine is vegan, his is the same vegan dinner with a "side" of meat) and completely vegan dinners the other nights. I don't even cook all of it, which is very nice indeed! I am very fortunate, although my husband isn't crazy about beans, he eats all sorts of veggies AND tofu. He even likes tempeh!

 

I tend to get more resistance when I make fat-free food for both of us. Often he notices that more than the missing meat.

 

I am the primary shopper though..... once I was in line at the store behind some other vegetarians and somehow we started talking about vegan stuff (I think I heard them discussing a cookbook or something... .) and everything was fine, friendly even, UNTIL they saw my husband's lunch meat in the cart. Then UGH... they were quite nasty! I don't like buying the meat but I like my husband and peace on the home front more.

 

Good luck!

-Erin

 

 

 

 

 

daffy_kitty5 <leta_mabel (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>Thu, February 25, 2010 11:30:21 AM Cooking/Shopping Dilema

I am finding it harder and harder to cook animal products the longer I am vegan.It is increasingly difficult to buy them at all. I am the primary shopper andcook in the house. Spouse is unconvertable at this point. He dislikes legumesand is picky about vegetables. He is a meat and potatoes person. He also doesn'tcook for himself. If I don't cook, he doesn't eat "real meals". He doesn't likethe texture of vegan meats either.

[Guest guest]

I like the phrase " I eat a plant-based diet " -- There are fewer political connotations with that. 

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 6:32 PM, <sahmomof9 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I always refer to myself as " mostly vegan. "   That covers any slip-ups. 

[Guest guest]

I would think a raw food vegan is a perfect vegan and in that case my husband is. it is possible."sahmomof9" <sahmomof9 Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 2:57:52 PMRe: Cooking/Shopping Dilema

 

 

 

Erin--I have run into a really intolerant attitude more times than I care to recall, by what I call "veganer-than- thou" individuals. I am nowhere NEAR the "perfect" vegan. And I don't believe there ever CAN be a "perfect" vegan. But heaven forbid we SHOW that we are not trying to be perfect, or say something not totally in line with militant veganism, and (pardon the pun--I just have to) watch the fur fly! I have left more than one list in disgust over the snobby, clique-ish, intolerant, superior attitudes of people on those lists. It's really sad, because believe me, it turns off a LOT of what I like to call "aspiring" vegans (like ME!). After one encounter, I swore I would NEVER call myself a vegan, and wanted nothing to do with vegans ever again!

 

We are all in different places in our lives, and we need to acknowledge that, and honor that. We are on a path, NOT at our final stop. Marilyn

[Guest guest]

Are the worms being abused because they have to aerate the gardens?

 

, sahmomof9 wrote:

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> ROFL!!!! Oh don't even go there about those poor buggy horses and animal

abuse. That's a whole other can of worms. Oh wait! Why are the worms stuffed

into a can instead of being in the ground, free and happy????......and the cycle

continues. Marilyn

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> Erin <rileysoprano

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> Thu, Feb 25, 2010 8:36 pm

> Re: Re: Cooking/Shopping Dilema

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> Oh god! Tires are non-vegan?! I never knew....... And here I thought the real

issue with cars were the fossil fuels and noxious exhaust fumes (I live in

downtown Baltimore....thus intimately aquainted with THAT stinky aspect of cars)

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>

> I guess we'll have to return to the days of horses and buggies.....oh

wait.....

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>

> )

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> Sent from my iPhone

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> On Feb 25, 2010, at 7:59 PM, sahmomof9 wrote:

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> Ugh. And then that goes round and round about the tires on their cars and

bikes, yada, yada, yada, into infinity! There is NO winning those arguments. I

think it was Dr. McDougall who said he thinks of it as being a " pure vegetarian "

and not a vegan, because the term " vegan " implies a whole lot more than just the

diet. Made sense to me. He was also the one who said he eats a teeny, tiny piece

of turkey at Thanksgiving so no one could accuse him of " extremism " . It's

unfortunate that there's all these distinctions people make. Makes it difficult

to get anywhere productive. Marilyn

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Oh, then they'll get on your case about leather and wool and a whole host of

other things.

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> , " Dena Jo " <DenaJo2@> wrote:

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> > I always refer to myself as " mostly vegan. " That covers any slip-ups. I find

my vegan and vegetarian friends seldom, if ever, fault me for only being

*mostly* vegan. They're just happy that, from their perspective, I'm on the

right path. But my meat-eating friends always argue with me. I think it's

because deep down they know I'm right and they're wrong.

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[Guest guest]

What about the bees who have to pollinate?

 

, sahmomof9 wrote:

>

> ROFL!!!! Oh don't even go there about those poor buggy horses and animal

abuse. That's a whole other can of worms. Oh wait! Why are the worms stuffed

into a can instead of being in the ground, free and happy????......and the cycle

continues. Marilyn

>

>

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> Erin <rileysoprano

>

> Thu, Feb 25, 2010 8:36 pm

> Re: Re: Cooking/Shopping Dilema

>

>

>

>

>

> Oh god! Tires are non-vegan?! I never knew....... And here I thought the real

issue with cars were the fossil fuels and noxious exhaust fumes (I live in

downtown Baltimore....thus intimately aquainted with THAT stinky aspect of cars)

>

>

> I guess we'll have to return to the days of horses and buggies.....oh

wait.....

>

>

> )

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

> On Feb 25, 2010, at 7:59 PM, sahmomof9 wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> Ugh. And then that goes round and round about the tires on their cars and

bikes, yada, yada, yada, into infinity! There is NO winning those arguments. I

think it was Dr. McDougall who said he thinks of it as being a " pure vegetarian "

and not a vegan, because the term " vegan " implies a whole lot more than just the

diet. Made sense to me. He was also the one who said he eats a teeny, tiny piece

of turkey at Thanksgiving so no one could accuse him of " extremism " . It's

unfortunate that there's all these distinctions people make. Makes it difficult

to get anywhere productive. Marilyn

>

>

>

>

Oh, then they'll get on your case about leather and wool and a whole host of

other things.

>

> , " Dena Jo " <DenaJo2@> wrote:

> >

> > I always refer to myself as " mostly vegan. " That covers any slip-ups. I find

my vegan and vegetarian friends seldom, if ever, fault me for only being

*mostly* vegan. They're just happy that, from their perspective, I'm on the

right path. But my meat-eating friends always argue with me. I think it's

because deep down they know I'm right and they're wrong.

> >

> > Dena

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[Guest guest]

No because that's THEIR choice. Marilyn

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are the worms being abused because they have to aerate the gardens?

 

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[Guest guest]

Works to our advantage, but it's still what bees LIKE to do (I think--but then again I'm not a bee). Marilyn

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What about the bees who have to pollinate?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Vegan in DIET. Even a cooked food vegan is still vegan in diet (as long as he doesn't consume honey). But what does he WEAR? What does he DRIVE? Does he use ANY items of daily living or entertainment that are not totally vegan? You can drive yourself nuts with that one. For me, I choose to expend my energy eating for HEALTH reasons, and not be obsessed with the other issues surrounding veganism. I am too busy with other areas of my life to add one more thing to obsess over. For others, THIS area is where they choose to expend their time and energy. It's certainly a worthy goal, if you can take the time and do the research, and get as close as you can to "cruelty free" living.

 

There's nothing wrong with desiring to live this way! The only problem I see is that many vegans seem to develop a sense of moral superiority, and they tend to lose their sense of humor along with that. I have no time for people who do this. If anyone wishes to come and raise my children, homeschool them, deal with three teens/young adults with disabilities, struggle with a one income household (by choice, but still)--go for it. My door is open. Then I will have the luxury of time to try and be as perfect as some of the vegans I have met--but I know I won't like myself much. Marilyn

 

 

 

 

 

Samantha Salmon <samanthasalmon86

 

Fri, Feb 26, 2010 12:36 am

Re: Cooking/Shopping Dilema

 

 

 

 

I would think a raw food vegan is a perfect vegan and in that case my husband is. it is possible.

 

 

 

 

 

"sahmomof9 (AT) aol (DOT) com" <sahmomof9 (AT) aol (DOT) com>

 

Thu, February 25, 2010 2:57:52 PM

Re: Cooking/Shopping Dilema

 

 

Erin--I have run into a really intolerant attitude more times than I care to recall, by what I call "veganer-than- thou" individuals. I am nowhere NEAR the "perfect" vegan. And I don't believe there ever CAN be a "perfect" vegan. But heaven forbid we SHOW that we are not trying to be perfect, or say something not totally in line with militant veganism, and (pardon the pun--I just have to) watch the fur fly! I have left more than one list in disgust over the snobby, clique-ish, intolerant, superior attitudes of people on those lists. It's really sad, because believe me, it turns off a LOT of what I like to call "aspiring" vegans (like ME!). After one encounter, I swore I would NEVER call myself a vegan, and wanted nothing to do with vegans ever again!

 

We are all in different places in our lives, and we need to acknowledge that, and honor that. We are on a path, NOT at our final stop. Marilyn