Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Hi all, I could indeed be a good argument. I am one of those who kept on saying that there is no way I would lock an animal in my house and treat him like some kind of teddy bear... I am still having this opinion, domestiquing animal is not a pleasant idea for me at all. Now try to resist to those sooo cute kitten who come around you obviouslly trying to get your attention... Try to resist to those young eyes beging you to feed them... Try to resist to those very slim kitten trying to find food anywhere they can... I couldn't. It started with just one and there is now 4 cats, the first one plus one sister and two brothers (same age) who come in my garden to find something to eat. Those cats are free, they don't belong to noone but themselves, and they sleep outside, they are all a group and seems to be contented on their own since some pegeons like me feed them on requests ) I first thought hat I would feed one of them, and then started to regret it when doing the shopping for her... but a second one came, so cute with his long white mustaches... and then a third one was sharing the meals with the first one. The fourth one just comes and steal the meals when I'm away, he is the dominant male. Even if I still think that it is better for them to stay out and keep their freedom, I can't help wondering where my favourite cat is sleeping, where she is when it's raining or winding very strong (very often here) or wondering about all the dangers she might encounter. Even when I call her in, she always prefer to stay in the shelter in my garden. The discussion we have is just what I am wondering about, I have not put her on a vegan diet yet, I still don't know at 100% what I should give her exactly to make sure she is safe with her diet. I prefer to be fully informed before starting. > > So then, here is the ethical question of the day......is it VEGAN to > > keep a cat (a known carnivore) as a pet? > > i guess it's no less so than marrying a carnivore, or letting your > kids eat meat in the house. > > would it be vegan to let them die in the pound? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 In a message dated 1/8/04 9:12:33 AM, writes: > I haven't heard of any of those products availlable here in Ieland. I > shall have a look in the UK and see if I can find something good. > I'll probably alternate vegan meals with tuna cans, unless I am proven > that tuna cans are worst than the disgusting patee sold in supermarkets... > hi, laetitia, tuna is really, really bad for cats; it causes a lot of health problems. please do not feed it to the cats you're helping. like i said, cats are not meant to be vegetarians, no matter what our own personal feelings are about the subject. avoid feeding any food containing tuna, cereal grains, corn, wheat, and most vegetables/fruits; for a cat, the higher the meat content, the better. doing otherwise means sacrificing the health of the cat. sorry i keep harping on this, but facts are facts, and cats are very strict carnivores no matter how we try to talk ourselves out of it. they have very delicate and selective systems, and contract intestinal, urinal, and other diseases (like cancer/lymphoma) fairly easily. thanks, melody http://www.melodysmusic.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 > The main thing you need to worry about is amino acids. In particular > cats have a special need for the amino acid taurine. The only way to > get a lot of taurine in a vegan diet is to get it synthetic, so you > have to look for a supplement or cat food that has plenty of taurine > in it. It doesn't look like the " pet essentials " has taurine. The > cat food sold on " vegancats.com " does contain taurine. > > The other amino acid cats need a lot of (which is non-essential for > humans) is arginine. It can be found in whole-wheat, nuts, seeds, > peanuts, brown rice, raisins and soy. If you do decide to make your > cat vegan, then do so gradually and stop if he isn't eating the vegan > food. > > As long as your cat actually eats the vegan food then he should be > healthier than one eating meat, even raw meat. Factory processed > meat can contain parasites, ecoli, salmonella. Tuna and other fish > have high levels of mercury (which is toxic). > > http://www.veganpet.com.au/whyvegan1.htm > Please note that in the FAQ vegancats.com also recommend an enzyme > supplement in addition to the food to help digest their food. > > http://www.vegancats.com/faq.html#supplements I haven't heard of any of those products availlable here in Ieland. I shall have a look in the UK and see if I can find something good. I'll probably alternate vegan meals with tuna cans, unless I am proven that tuna cans are worst than the disgusting patee sold in supermarkets... Original message: > > This is something that somewhere disturbs me, but I have to do it > too. > > A lovely cat honors me everyday by his visits, each time his stomac > ask > > for it ) > > I always try to find the most simple meal components with as few > > ingredients as possible and I add a spoon of Udo Pet Essentials > > to his meal. This is > > quite complete and contain lots of essential faty acids and > nutrents > > that he needs. > > > > Do you think that I could give him just cereals, seeds and > vegetables > > with the Pet Essentials added ? > > I am always scared that he might react in an unexpected way to a > vegan > > diet and that it could be very bad for his teeth and eyes for > instance. > > > > What do you think about it ? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 > cats are very strict > carnivores no matter how we try to talk ourselves out of it. And no matter what the evidence of cats living a long time and healthily on a properly supplemented vegan diet? ;=) Okay, I don't want to argue this (I still feed my cat a commercial diet including me*t), but for a different view one might want to try another list (that is not in competition with this one at all *lol*) called compassionateguardians. It's on . And I have no affiliation with it other than membership. They have great links for info, files, etc., plus some very knowledgable and experienced people. There's also a new one called veggiepets. The UK Vegetarian Society's page also has advice on the subject. Best, Pat -- SANTBROWN townhounds/ vegetarianslimming/ HOMEPAGE: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ ---------- * " There are too many idiots in this world. And having said it, I have the burden of proving it. " (Franz Fanon) * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace. " (Albert Schweitzer) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 Thank you for the advice ) I have sent a request to join that list before christmas, but my membership is still pending. Maybe there are too many people on it already, I don't know. , Sant & Brown <santbrown@l...> wrote: > > cats are very strict > > carnivores no matter how we try to talk ourselves out of it. > > And no matter what the evidence of cats living a long time and healthily > on a properly supplemented vegan diet? ;=) Okay, I don't want to argue > this (I still feed my cat a commercial diet including me*t), but for a > different view one might want to try another list (that is not in > competition with this one at all *lol*) called compassionateguardians. > It's on . And I have no affiliation with it other than membership. > They have great links for info, files, etc., plus some very knowledgable > and experienced people. There's also a new one called veggiepets. The > UK Vegetarian Society's page also has advice on the subject. > > Best, > Pat > -- > SANTBROWN@L... > townhounds/ > vegetarianslimming/ > HOMEPAGE: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ > ---------- > * " There are too many idiots in this world. And having said it, I have > the burden of proving it. " (Franz Fanon) > * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man > will not himself find peace. " (Albert Schweitzer) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 > > Thank you for the advice ) > I have sent a request to join that list before christmas, but my > membership is still pending. Maybe there are too many people on it > already, I don't know. Okay, I don't think there are too many people - but someone recently wrote me asking why his posts weren't getting through to the list (he knows I'm a member) and I read something on the list that leads me to think that there may be a problem with the listowner being absent :=( I'll inquire, for you, since my posts *do* seem to be getting through. Best, Pat -- SANTBROWN townhounds/ vegetarianslimming/ HOMEPAGE: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ ---------- * " There are too many idiots in this world. And having said it, I have the burden of proving it. " (Franz Fanon) * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace. " (Albert Schweitzer) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 January 29, 2005 The February 2005 issue of THE EAST BAY MONTHLY has an article (with photos) entitled, " Ciao, Friskies, " featuring our own Peninsula cat, Alfredo Kuba. Focus is on vegan diets for cats, and the pros and cons thereof. Bon appetit, Eric Mills, coordinator ACTION FOR ANIMALS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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