Guest guest Posted July 30, 2002 Report Share Posted July 30, 2002 where do you reside? most areas have a vegan local group or bbs site or somesuch..mayhaps you could put up a notice... cheers fraggle " debbie5300 " <debbie5300 wrote: >Hello I'm new to the group. My husband and I took in a pregnant cat >around March 1st* took her to the vet and everything was fine. She >had 4 beautiful babies. Well we have been Vegan for 2 years now and >so have our " fur babies " and we can not find good Vegan homes for the >kittens that are now 4 months old. They of course have been vegan all >their lives. We wanted to keep all of them but since they were born >we moved to a small 1 bedroom apartment. Any suggestions or advise is >appreciated. > >Debbie > > > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2002 Report Share Posted July 30, 2002 Hi Debbie You could put up a message on the Vegan Village Notice Board. :-) Janey > Hello I'm new to the group. My husband and I took in a pregnant cat > around March 1st* took her to the vet and everything was fine. She > had 4 beautiful babies. Well we have been Vegan for 2 years now and > so have our " fur babies " and we can not find good Vegan homes for the > kittens that are now 4 months old. They of course have been vegan all > their lives. We wanted to keep all of them but since they were born > we moved to a small 1 bedroom apartment. Any suggestions or advise is > appreciated. > > Debbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2002 Report Share Posted July 31, 2002 Debbie, Not sure where you are located, but in our area we have a free area newspaper called the PennySaver. You can place an ad for free as long as it is for something under $100. If you have soemthing like that maybe it could help. Or ask your local schools and libraries if you can put up flyers. Better yet, post to Vegan groups ya belong to like this and see if ya get a bite! I would love to have one, but me dog would not agree. In any reagrd, very sweet of you to take them in and give them a home! Good Luck, nikki , " debbie5300 " <debbie5300> wrote: > Hello I'm new to the group. My husband and I took in a pregnant cat > around March 1st* took her to the vet and everything was fine. She > had 4 beautiful babies. Well we have been Vegan for 2 years now and > so have our " fur babies " and we can not find good Vegan homes for the > kittens that are now 4 months old. They of course have been vegan all > their lives. We wanted to keep all of them but since they were born > we moved to a small 1 bedroom apartment. Any suggestions or advise is > appreciated. > > Debbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2002 Report Share Posted July 31, 2002 Hi Debbie I know nothing about cats so cannot help there - but welcome to the list. Jo Vegan Cats --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.375 / Virus Database: 210 - Release 10/07/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 Please note that in the FAQ vegancats.com also recommend an enzyme supplement in addition to the food to help digest their food. http://www.vegancats.com/faq.html#supplements Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 In a message dated 1/3/04 9:29:50 AM, writes: > The other amino acid cats need a lot of (which is non-essential for > humans) is arginine. It can be found in whole-wheat, nuts, seeds, > peanuts, brown rice, raisins and soy. If you do decide to make your > cat vegan, then do so gradually and stop if he isn't eating the vegan > food. > while it is true that cats need arginine, cats generally cannot absorb it from the ingredients listed above, and many (if not all) of those ingredients can cause intestinal distress in cats. > >As long as your cat actually eats the vegan food then he should be > >healthier than one eating meat, even raw meat. > a nice thought, but unfortunately an innacurate one. the fact is, cats absorb minimal nutrients from non-meat sources. if i could raise my cats vegan i would, but in their best interest, i choose not to. i have really done a LOT of research on this, and had to come to terms with the fact that cats are, like it or not, strict carnivores. had i not changed my joanie's diet, she would most likely not be with me right now. > >Factory processed > >meat can contain parasites, ecoli, salmonella. > very true. however, most cats do not get salmonella poisoning from their food due to the digestive transit time. > >Tuna and other fish > >have high levels of mercury (which is toxic). > cats should not eat tuna, and for many reasons besides the mercury content. i copied the following from the catnutrition.org website-- i encourage everyone who wants to know about this issue to order a copy of the article. One of the finest recent pieces of scientific work on the issue of feline nutrition is titled " The carnivore connection to nutrition in cats, " by Debra L. Zoran, DVM, PhD, DACVIM. A brief description of the article (posted here with permission from the American Veterinary Medical Association): " The information reported here is an attempt to describe what it means metabolically and nutritionally to be a strict carnivore, with a focus on differences in nutritional biochemistry of cats. In addition, information is included on possible roles of nutrition in the development of obesity, idiopathic hepatic lipidosis (IHL), inflammatory bowel disease, and diabetes mellitus in cats. " Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association, 2002:221:1559-1567 The American Veterinary Medical Association advises that readers may request single copies of the article to be sent to them at no charge. All you need to do is provide your full name, mailing address, and the name and address of your veterinarian. Believe me, this article is well worth the effort. If you're interested in a copy, please contact: Diane A. Fagen, Librarian American Veterinary Medical Association 1931 N. Meachem Rd., Suite 100 Schaumburg, IL 60173-4360 Telephone: 847/925-8070, extension 6770 Fax: 847/925-9329 e-mail: dfagen hope this helps. melody http://www.melodysmusic.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 > > >As long as your cat actually eats the vegan food then he should be > > >healthier than one eating meat, even raw meat. > > > a nice thought, but unfortunately an innacurate one. the fact is, cats > absorb minimal nutrients from non-meat sources. if i could raise my cats vegan i > would, but in their best interest, i choose not to. i have really done a > LOT of research on this, and had to come to terms with the fact that cats are, > like it or not, strict carnivores. So then, here is the ethical question of the day......is it VEGAN to keep a cat (a known carnivore) as a pet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 Well, you can cross your fingers for more advances in food science and derivation/synthesis in future. In the meantime, dog and cat lover though I am, I've reconciled myself to being pet free for now -- though that hasn't stopped me from enjoying others' pets I confess :-) , " Sheryl " <ssarndt> wrote: > > > >As long as your cat actually eats the vegan food then he should > be > > > >healthier than one eating meat, even raw meat. > > > > > a nice thought, but unfortunately an innacurate one. the fact > is, cats > > absorb minimal nutrients from non-meat sources. if i could raise > my cats vegan i > > would, but in their best interest, i choose not to. i have > really done a > > LOT of research on this, and had to come to terms with the fact > that cats are, > > like it or not, strict carnivores. > > > > So then, here is the ethical question of the day......is it VEGAN to > keep a cat (a known carnivore) as a pet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 > So then, here is the ethical question of the day......is it VEGAN to > keep a cat (a known carnivore) as a pet? i guess it's no less so than marrying a carnivore, or letting your kids eat meat in the house. would it be vegan to let them die in the pound? melody http://www.melodysmusic.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 Please accept my humble obeisances. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada and Gurudev! Haribol. Cats can't be vegan, their body requires meat. If it doesn't have meat it will get sick and die and then you'll feel bad because you would have been responsible for killing it. Their bodies are different then ours. Hare Krsna. Your ever well-wisher, -Madhumangala dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 In a message dated 1/4/04 12:25:02 PM, writes: << So then, here is the ethical question of the day......is it VEGAN to keep a cat (a known carnivore) as a pet? >> My feline, Asland, is my companion, my child, my heart.... Not my " pet " . She is not a vegetarian -- she wasn't made to be. When i went Vegan we had a chat ... she didn't mind me going vegan as long as it didn't interfere with her meals. =o) Peace, Susan " Too often we underestimate the power of a touch, a smile, a kind word, a listening ear, an honest compliment, or the smallest act of caring, all of which have the potential to turn a life around. " ~Leo Buscaglia, author (1924-1998) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 > So then, here is the ethical question of the day......is it VEGAN to keep a cat (a known carnivore) as a pet? *LOL* Good grief!!! If it is not, then may I never meet another vegan! Here is *my* 'ethical' question of the day: is it kind to pose these questions to anyone? The carnivore 'pet' has probably been rescued from abuse and/or neglect and is the happy companion of a loving guardian and - what? - we are now to consider that it might not be right to maintain that guardianship? Go away, non-serious person!!! Pat (Misha: 'Miaow, Mama, does this mean you will start eating milky stuff again???') -- SANTBROWN townhounds/ vegetarianslimming/ HOMEPAGE: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ ---------- * " There are too many idiots in this world. And having said it, I have the burden of proving it. " (Franz Fanon) * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace. " (Albert Schweitzer) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 > > i guess it's no less so than marrying a carnivore, or letting your > kids eat meat in the house. > > would it be vegan to let them die in the pound? Much more consise and to the point than my own response! I must learn to wait and read I must learn to wait and read I must learn to wait and read I must learn to wait and read *lol* Best, Pat -- SANTBROWN townhounds/ vegetarianslimming/ HOMEPAGE: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ ---------- * " There are too many idiots in this world. And having said it, I have the burden of proving it. " (Franz Fanon) * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace. " (Albert Schweitzer) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 , " nadiana01 " <nadiana1@a...> wrote: > > > So then, here is the ethical question of the day......is it VEGAN to > > keep a cat (a known carnivore) as a pet? > > i guess it's no less so than marrying a carnivore, or letting your > kids eat meat in the house. > > would it be vegan to let them die in the pound? Interesting question!! I guess we can take the vegan thing to whatever degree we like. Here is another question: I have a neighbor who keeps 2 dogs in her VERY small backyard with no shelter from the elements. They also bark incessantly. The barking is very annoying, but after looking in their backyard I understand why they bark. The poor dogs are literally imprisoned in a small (roughly 20ft x 50ft) area that is walled off with cement blocks. (This is how backyards come in Albuquerque) They have no toys and nothing to do back there and no human attention since their owners quite literally ignore them. I have never seen them taken out for walks and there is no shelter for them spare a small plastic child's playhouse with no floor. It has been below freezing at night here several times this winter. I do not know these people. They moved in just a few weeks ago. As an ethical person and aspiring vegan person what should I do? The neighbors on the other side of them met one of them and thought she was incredibly rude to her. She also says that she is fearful to do or say anything because of what they might do in retaliation to her and/or her house. Our homes are literally less than 10 feet from each other. The rest of us are quite distressed by this incessant barking 24/7. I'm distressed by the barking and very disturbed that such irresponsible people are keeping dogs in their backyard without proper care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 Beautifully and simply said. Thank you. Donni - Madhumangala dasa Saturday, January 03, 2004 10:01 PM Re: Re: vegan cats Please accept my humble obeisances. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada and Gurudev! Haribol. Cats can't be vegan, their body requires meat. If it doesn't have meat it will get sick and die and then you'll feel bad because you would have been responsible for killing it. Their bodies are different then ours. Hare Krsna. Your ever well-wisher, -Madhumangala dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 , Sant & Brown <santbrown@l...> wrote: > > > So then, here is the ethical question of the day......is it VEGAN to keep a cat (a known carnivore) as a pet? > > *LOL* Good grief!!! If it is not, then may I never meet another vegan! > Here is *my* 'ethical' question of the day: is it kind to pose these > questions to anyone? The carnivore 'pet' has probably been rescued from > abuse and/or neglect and is the happy companion of a loving guardian and > - what? - we are now to consider that it might not be right to maintain > that guardianship? Go away, non-serious person!!! RELAX! I'm only asking a question. It's just a thought I have and I have no real opinion on it and was being very serious. I was curious to see what others thought and to spark some conversation. Is it kind to ask such questions? It has nothing to do with whether it is kind or not and everything to do with discussion. It's just a thought I had and I'm not chastising anyone. I happen to like cats. I don't have one, but not because they aren't vegan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 She also says that she is fearful to do > or say anything because of what they might do in retaliation to her > and/or her house. Our homes are literally less than 10 feet from > each other. The rest of us are quite distressed by this incessant > barking 24/7. I'm distressed by the barking and very disturbed that > such irresponsible people are keeping dogs in their backyard without > proper care. i would call an animal rights group (not one that will impound the dogs, but maybe one that will take them away). make it an anonymous call if you feel you need to. but no one should be allowed to abuse any living thing like that. geez; i will NEVER understand what compels people to be so cruel. http://www.melodysmusic.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 , StLeoWitch@a... wrote: > My feline, Asland, is my companion, my child, my heart.... Not my " pet " . Is your cat named after the Lion created by C.S. Lewis? I love his books. The name Asland sounds like it, alas he is called something else (but similar) in Danish. Pernille Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 *LOL* Sorry ;=) I *did* precede my previous post with *LOL* to indicate that I was, well, *LOL* ;=) and therefore as relaxed as could be and still be able to pick myself up from the floor ;=) Sorry if my attempt at response/discussion upset you. I've already commented, in a separate post, that someone else responded more succinctly and had done so (I receive digests) before I did although not before I had read it. Sigghhhh. What can one do to indicate teasing or light-hearted discussion other than put in little symbols and anagrams :=( - necessary, I think, because of cultural differences (ie different countries or parts of countries mean different things by the actual words they use). BTW, this being a vegetarian rather than a strictly vegan list, there's a possibility imho that results may differ, as they say ;=) Best, Pat -- SANTBROWN townhounds/ vegetarianslimming/ HOMEPAGE: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ ---------- * " There are too many idiots in this world. And having said it, I have the burden of proving it. " (Franz Fanon) * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace. " (Albert Schweitzer) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 > > My feline, Asland, is my companion, my child, my heart.... Not my " pet " . > She is not a vegetarian -- she wasn't made to be. When i went Vegan we had a > chat ... she didn't mind me going vegan as long as it didn't interfere with > her meals. =o) Love it ;=) Our companion Misha begs for tofu and steals olives but eats a diet including meat ;=) She forgives us for not joining her in her banquets, but does prefer to wait until we are having our rather pathetic plebian pickings before she so royally dines. Noblesse oblige or sumthin' like that. Best, Pat -- SANTBROWN townhounds/ vegetarianslimming/ HOMEPAGE: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ ---------- * " There are too many idiots in this world. And having said it, I have the burden of proving it. " (Franz Fanon) * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace. " (Albert Schweitzer) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 And this is really OT ;=) You write: > We bought a > computer game called Catz which simulates looking after an animal - you have > to feed the cat, pet it, etc. So we are both happy, and I don't have to buy > real cat food, litter, toys, etc... It works really well! My dh and I for some years lived where it was forbidden to have any companion animals. So, because we were out so much in the day, we decided on an imaginary 'cat'. She kept us foolishly happy for a long time, even accompanying us on holidays. ('Good grief, hon, I can't eat all this - shall we ask for a kitty-bag?' etc.) All very Albee. She disappeared, alas, shortly after we we were able to have non-imaginary animal companions. I miss her ;=) Best, Pat -- SANTBROWN townhounds/ vegetarianslimming/ HOMEPAGE: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ ---------- * " There are too many idiots in this world. And having said it, I have the burden of proving it. " (Franz Fanon) * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace. " (Albert Schweitzer) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 heh, my cat eats better than I do sometimes, I think. I feed her natural balance kibble & canned cat food, and she's plumped out nicely & her coat has gotten a lot better than when I used to feed her purina one. Megan - Sant & Brown Monday, January 05, 2004 7:24 AM Re: Vegan Cats > > My feline, Asland, is my companion, my child, my heart.... Not my " pet " . > She is not a vegetarian -- she wasn't made to be. When i went Vegan we had a > chat ... she didn't mind me going vegan as long as it didn't interfere with > her meals. =o) Love it ;=) Our companion Misha begs for tofu and steals olives but eats a diet including meat ;=) She forgives us for not joining her in her banquets, but does prefer to wait until we are having our rather pathetic plebian pickings before she so royally dines. Noblesse oblige or sumthin' like that. Best, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 as I vegan, I gave away my carniverous plants (from vegetarian day) , even though I loved my venus fly traps, because I felt it ethical questionable > So then, here is the ethical question of the day......is it VEGAN to > keep a cat (a known carnivore) as a pet? i guess it's no less so than marrying a carnivore, or letting your kids eat meat in the house. Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 A: as I vegan, I gave away my carniverous plants (from vegetarian day) , even though I loved my venus fly traps, because I felt it ethical questionable D: Interesting. I intentionally cultivate a few spiders in my house to keep bugs out of the house. My feeling is that they are needed as natural pest control. They are doing what is right and healthy for them, and it is to our benefit. Mind you, I certainly don't like to watch them feed, but then nature programs can gross me out too. I do feel I would rather house a few spiders than douse my home with unnatural insect killer, and I'm not giving anything of value to my environment. Call me crazy...or Donni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 you're not crazy (at least not for that reason). it is one thing to kill insects who enter your home because they are pests. Flies could potentially taint your food and cause you to become ill. Its an entirely different matter when you have animals killed to feed other animals. But IN the case of cats, then, as long as you are getting them from a shelter, it isn't necessarily against vegan ethics. I think for most veg*ns, the whole idea of meat-eating being unethical rests on the fact that it is entirely unecessary. , Donni Irschick <dragonflywings@s...> wrote: > > A: as I vegan, I gave away my carniverous plants (from vegetarian day) , even though I loved my venus fly traps, because I felt it ethical questionable > > D: Interesting. I intentionally cultivate a few spiders in my house to keep bugs out of the house. My feeling is that they are needed as natural pest control. They are doing what is right and healthy for them, and it is to our benefit. Mind you, I certainly don't like to watch them feed, but then nature programs can gross me out too. I do feel I would rather house a few spiders than douse my home with unnatural insect killer, and I'm not giving anything of value to my environment. Call me crazy...or Donni > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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