Another reply to Ron - Just something to think about.

[Guest guest]

Amy and Ron,

Consider this point. Modern synthetic and processed foods have put many people

in a situation where they won't react rationally when they realize their health

situation and can take corrective action. No amount of kind or harsh words will

change this. It is the classic case like a drug addict or alcoholic that the

person who needs help most rejects it most violently. This will only change

when one of three things happen...

 

They get really bad and die

They get really bad and realize they will die unless they change things

They change gradually and become better able to make better decisions.

 

We can't force people to treat themselves better, but we can guide them to it by

living an example that inspires them to. Maybe Ron owes the woman an apology,

but maybe he's also been the spark she needs to start changing.

Ron would be the best one to know.

 

Nickolas Hein

Morgantown WV

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bookarma

RawSeattle

Tuesday, November 18, 2003 2:35 PM

[RawSeattle] Another reply to Ron

 

 

Ron " rlmftw " write:

 

>It is astounding to me that 60% of our society is obese because THEY

WANT TO BE, rather than because they can't help it. In that case, I

have no sympathy or respect for them. I don't even want to talk to

them. Let them die!

 

>After this experience I have decided to " Let them die " and enjoy

watching the spectacle!

 

Perhaps we should add another board ettiquette rule that this board

is not for expressing hatred & vitriole toward other groups. Our

diet of the thoughts we think is every bit as important as our diet

of food. IMO, anyone who delights in the suffering of others is in

need of a serious mental diet overhaul.

 

>Anyway, she tried it and said that she would rather eat cardboard

than raw fruits and veggies and she would rather die from diabetes

and cardiovascular disease than eat raw fruits and veggies. At that

point I said, " Well! You probably will, in that case " !

 

If you want to help someone lose weight, bashing them is not the way

to go. I think it's appallingly rude that you said that to her. I

think you owe her an apology.

 

~Amy

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Nick:

 

Thank you very much for your feedback. I do believe in " Tough

Love. " If someone is killing themselves, I have a moral obligation

to tell them they are killing themselves and offer them a way out.

If they still want to kill themselves I may as well let them die...

there's certainly nothing else I can do!

 

I don't think that being polite to mentally-ill people is the first

priority. I think that recognizing Reality and Truth is the first

priority in my recovery--and I am not obligated to be codependent

with mentally, physically and spiritually sick people in order to

avoid hurting their feelings. My first responsibility is to my own

recovery: I need to keep my own thinking straight! I don't need to

compromise with mentally-ill people in order to keep from hurting

their feelings.

 

Perhaps hurting their feelings is my way of putting distance between

me and them. If they can't accept the truth then I want lots of

distance between me and them.

 

Ron

 

 

RawSeattle , " Nick " <nick.hein@v...> wrote:

> Amy and Ron,

> Consider this point. Modern synthetic and processed foods have

put many people in a situation where they won't react rationally

when they realize their health situation and can take corrective

action. No amount of kind or harsh words will change this. It is

the classic case like a drug addict or alcoholic that the person who

needs help most rejects it most violently. This will only change

when one of three things happen...

>

> They get really bad and die

> They get really bad and realize they will die unless they change

things

> They change gradually and become better able to make better

decisions.

>

> We can't force people to treat themselves better, but we can guide

them to it by living an example that inspires them to. Maybe Ron

owes the woman an apology, but maybe he's also been the spark she

needs to start changing.

> Ron would be the best one to know.

>

> Nickolas Hein

> Morgantown WV

> -

> bookarma

> RawSeattle

> Tuesday, November 18, 2003 2:35 PM

> [RawSeattle] Another reply to Ron

>

>

> Ron " rlmftw " write:

>

> >It is astounding to me that 60% of our society is obese because

THEY

> WANT TO BE, rather than because they can't help it. In that

case, I

> have no sympathy or respect for them. I don't even want to talk

to

> them. Let them die!

>

> >After this experience I have decided to " Let them die " and

enjoy

> watching the spectacle!

>

> Perhaps we should add another board ettiquette rule that this

board

> is not for expressing hatred & vitriole toward other groups.

Our

> diet of the thoughts we think is every bit as important as our

diet

> of food. IMO, anyone who delights in the suffering of others is

in

> need of a serious mental diet overhaul.

>

> >Anyway, she tried it and said that she would rather eat

cardboard

> than raw fruits and veggies and she would rather die from

diabetes

> and cardiovascular disease than eat raw fruits and veggies. At

that

> point I said, " Well! You probably will, in that case " !

>

> If you want to help someone lose weight, bashing them is not the

way

> to go. I think it's appallingly rude that you said that to

her. I

> think you owe her an apology.

>

> ~Amy

>

>

>

>

>