Guest guest Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 greetings all. we have so much info from knowledgeable people on this board and long time health advocates the info can sometimes be confusing and contradictory.i like to observe the people who are advocating different things and see if they apply them in their life and how are they in terms of health aging, fitness. if i look at Annette Larkin who does eat grains although looks fabulous, norman walker who lived to what 116? and drank green juices everyday, Ann Wigmore who believed in wheatgrass and ferments and reversed her gray hair. Gary Null advocates 75% raw and supplements, has reversed graying and baldness in his hair and people on his protocol.. there are people who have been raw to my knowledge for some time and don't appear healthy or vibrant or fit. so i like to consider all possibilities. i don't see my African roots an limiting what i should or shouldn't eat, just as i doesn't pre-dispose me to certain diseases or dictate what job i'm qualified for. there are people of european decent that have darker skin than some african Americans and some africans, ie; cape Verde who are as light as what we consider the average european. what do they eat? as i unfold new truths for me, they are new truths for me, not what's right or what you should do, i don't care who said so. we all have different lifestyles different lineage different aspirations, and different experiences. let's leave room for that. if we don't need to be right we will stop making each other wrong. community exist were all are of value and worth. when we only include those agreeing w/ our agenda that is a committee, or the modern name "cliques". let's offer each other our experiences and different possibilities and trust each one will find the path that is for them to travel peace among us, mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2005 Report Share Posted August 29, 2005 Namaste Mark..you speak words of a sage in your youth. We are blessed to have them.blakenson wrote: greetings all. we have so much info from knowledgeable people on this board and long time health advocates the info can sometimes be confusing and contradictory.i like to observe the people who are advocating different things and see if they apply them in their life and how are they in terms of health aging, fitness. if i look at Annette Larkin who does eat grains although looks fabulous, norman walker who lived to what 116? and drank green juices everyday, Ann Wigmore who believed in wheatgrass and ferments and reversed her gray hair. Gary Null advocates 75% raw and supplements, has reversed graying and baldness in his hair and people on his protocol.. there are people who have been raw to my knowledge for some time and don't appear healthy or vibrant or fit. so i like to consider all possibilities. i don't see my African roots an limiting what i should or shouldn't eat, just as i doesn't pre-dispose me to certain diseases or dictate what job i'm qualified for. there are people of european decent that have darker skin than some african Americans and some africans, ie; cape Verde who are as light as what we consider the average european. what do they eat? as i unfold new truths for me, they are new truths for me, not what's right or what you should do, i don't care who said so. we all have different lifestyles different lineage different aspirations, and different experiences. let's leave room for that. if we don't need to be right we will stop making each other wrong. community exist were all are of value and worth. when we only include those agreeing w/ our agenda that is a committee, or the modern name "cliques". let's offer each other our experiences and different possibilities and trust each one will find the path that is for them to travel peace among us, mark Start your day with - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2005 Report Share Posted August 29, 2005 Greetings mark, all, I apologize first and foremost if I came across with the “need to be right” so that I won’t contribute to “making others wrong”. The questions I raised I feel will benefit all and need not to be ignored, but that’s my opinion. I’ve been wrong and misguided before but I won’t let that stop me. I’ve also learned and evolved from personal experience. But from what I’ve learned from people in this movement that I consider elders (authors dead and alive, and people I’ve met personally) who have walked this route before me has been invaluable. Food is emotional, race is taboo and I guess you mix the two and it could an explosive situation. That excites me. Let’s leave room for that. Rethinking the research I proposed, maybe not possible, given that you have African Americans thriving on grain eating and long time raw fooders not looking vibrant. Maybe I was a little idealistic. But it would dumb to not at least consider the question and the possibilities no matter if it comes across as being anti-community. What really inspires me is to explore race as it relates to food is the global genocide that goes on in the “third world”. We may know about the lethal inoculations that have covertly killed millions in Africa, but the food that is being disproportionally pushed there and anywhere else considered “third world” is just as bad if not worse, especially given racial sensitivities. We all have a responsibility to do whatever it is we can do to these injustices as a global community. Health is Wealth, Khepere On Behalf Of blakenson Sunday, August 28, 2005 5:57 PM What's right/what works greetings all. we have so much info from knowledgeable people on this board and long time health advocates the info can sometimes be confusing and contradictory.i like to observe the people who are advocating different things and see if they apply them in their life and how are they in terms of health aging, fitness. if i look at Annette Larkin who does eat grains although looks fabulous, norman walker who lived to what 116? and drank green juices everyday, Ann Wigmore who believed in wheatgrass and ferments and reversed her gray hair. Gary Null advocates 75% raw and supplements, has reversed graying and baldness in his hair and people on his protocol.. there are people who have been raw to my knowledge for some time and don't appear healthy or vibrant or fit. so i like to consider all possibilities. i don't see my African roots an limiting what i should or shouldn't eat, just as i doesn't pre-dispose me to certain diseases or dictate what job i'm qualified for. there are people of european decent that have darker skin than some african Americans and some africans, ie; cape Verde who are as light as what we consider the average european. what do they eat? as i unfold new truths for me, they are new truths for me, not what's right or what you should do, i don't care who said so. we all have different lifestyles different lineage different aspirations, and different experiences. let's leave room for that. if we don't need to be right we will stop making each other wrong. community exist were all are of value and worth. when we only include those agreeing w/ our agenda that is a committee, or the modern name " cliques " . let's offer each other our experiences and different possibilities and trust each one will find the path that is for them to travel peace among us, mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2005 Report Share Posted August 29, 2005 my post as not directed at you it is directed at us. it is not about ecluding you or me it is including all. it is not saying what anyone is done is wrong it is saying we have more to say. i have been as adamant about my belief as anyone in this group one of the lessons i experieced as a sponser in aa for many years is to treat everyone like the new comer. that one coming out of detox and only ready for baby steps. that level of patience and tolerance i did not have w/ people who were sober longer. certainly we do not withhold trith. i mindful that my truth may change as will others. "change is inevitable, growth is optional"khepere anu <khepere Sent: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:22:48 -0400RE: What's right/what works Greetings mark, all, I apologize first and foremost if I came across with the ?need to be right? so that I won?t contribute to ?making others wrong?. The questions I raised I feel will benefit all and need not to be ignored, but that?s my opinion. I?ve been wrong and misguided before but I won?t let that stop me. I?ve also learned and evolved from personal experience. But from what I?ve learned from people in this movement that I consider elders (authors dead and alive, and people I?ve met personally) who have walked this route before me has been invaluable. Food is emotional, race is taboo and I guess you mix the two and it could an explosive situation. That excites me. Let?s leave room for that. Rethinking the research I proposed, maybe not possible, given that you have African Americans thriving on grain eating and long time raw fooders not looking vibrant. Maybe I was a little idealistic. But it would dumb to not at least consider the question and the possibilities no matter if it comes across as being anti-community. What really inspires me is to explore race as it relates to food is the global genocide that goes on in the ?third world?. We may know about the lethal inoculations that have covertly killed millions in Africa, but the food that is being disproportionally pushed there and anywhere else considered ?third world? is just as bad if not worse, especially given racial sensitivities. We all have a responsibility to do whatever it is we can do to these injustices as a global community. Health is Wealth, Khepere On Behalf Of blakensonSent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 5:57 PM Subject: What's right/what works greetings all. we have so much info from knowledgeable people on this board and long time health advocates the info can sometimes be confusing and contradictory.i like to observe the people who are advocating different things and see if they apply them in their life and how are they in terms of health aging, fitness. if i look at Annette Larkin who does eat grains although looks fabulous, norman walker who lived to what 116? and drank green juices everyday, Ann Wigmore who believed in wheatgrass and ferments and reversed her gray hair. Gary Null advocates 75% raw and supplements, has reversed graying and baldness in his hair and people on his protocol.. there are people who have been raw to my knowledge for some time and don't appear healthy or vibrant or fit. so i like to consider all possibilities. i don't see my African roots an limiting what i should or shouldn't eat, just as i doesn't pre-dispose me to certain diseases or dictate what job i'm qualified for. there are people of european decent that have darker skin than some african Americans and some africans, ie; cape Verde who are as light as what we consider the average european. what do they eat? as i unfold new truths for me, they are new truths for me, not what's right or what you should do, i don't care who said so. we all have different lifestyles different lineage different aspirations, and different experiences. let's leave room for that. if we don't need to be right we will stop making each other wrong. community exist were all are of value and worth. when we only include those agreeing w/ our agenda that is a committee, or the modern name "cliques". let's offer each other our experiences and different possibilities and trust each one will find the path that is for them to travel peace among us, mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2005 Report Share Posted August 29, 2005 Yes Khepere, But this intoxication is affecting EVERYONE, irregardless of their ethinicity. Whites, blacks, indians, everyone is sickened by irreverently prepared and poisoned substances. American children, european children, afrikan children, children all over the world are victims of the dis-eases plaguing our world culture/s. My own brother-in-law, a SAD eater and a world reknown oncologist-in charge of research and translation for a cancer center finally admitted to me that he respected me for my views on food and health. In fact his close friends who are doctors told him they admired people who devoted themselves to a live food diet.My 46 year old cousin, by the way ( a white man from Israel) is at my brother-in-law's cancer center probably dying from Lymphoma as we speak. I understand the intensity and passion that fuels individuals to identify with skin color as the root of ancestral heritage. As for me, being of european/semetic ancestry, I identify with all life (beyond the human species) because human beings, whatever they're color have up to this point proved challenging and dissillusioning at best. I give my deepest thanks for those few souls who have risen beyond the sight of "worldly" vision, which looks and "judges" and diagnoses people based on "race." Humanity is here to serve all creatures not to dominate, judge, segregate or perpetuate feelings of isolation. Perhaps individuals of Afrikan descent (which many of us are byproducts of-"mestizos"-to coin the spanish phrase for "mixed.")are afflicted/affected in a way that is different from individuals of European, Semetic or Indian/Asian ancestries. I don't know, but frankly, I'm more interested in the heart, in purity, in inner truth. Health is experienced through these elements. I find it interesting that in nature a single creature may consist of many colors, yet humans see eachother only in terms of black, red, yellow and white. Perhaps my thoughts will go unnoticed and I can detach myself from the sentiments of separation that comes from "racial pride." I recognize and respect the roots of this need. However, at some point, I pray, we look within and discover our oneness. blessings of harmony pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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