Guest guest Posted November 10, 2003 Report Share Posted November 10, 2003 Lilli, You refer to the " Raw Vegan " diet. Such semantic concerns are more important than we know. The word " Raw " certainly gives raw meat which most humans cannot abide mostly because their digestion is most unsuited to digesting it. We can add in raw fish, raw grubs and anything that will pick up infection quickly and put us off the notion. Then we add in the " Vegan " part which gives Mc Donald's Vegeburgers made from reconstituted something. When the two are combined to " Raw Vegan " , our man in the street will think, I understand, like the vegeburger without the processing put on a plate uncooked? We sit round here discussing whether honey and other foods including grains are " Raw " or not. In fact what we are interested in is whether honey or any other food is properly the domain of the human being. I am inclined to feel that what we should be is a " Natural food for human beings " forum. Since that is too much and other animals do not figure that highly in the diet, I feel we would project a better image if we sought to be known as " Natural Foodists " . Nothing funny or rabbit food just natural food which promotes health, wipes out disease etc. Doest that strike a chord with any other member? Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2003 Report Share Posted November 11, 2003 Peter, I'm agree with you, and I guess I will be eating raw vegan in a no distant future.... but by the way, a would tell you that my deccission on not vegan nowadays comes from the next " story " : I have been vegetarian for 7 years, and then cooked vegan for 3; I got a " polyneuritis " because lack of B complex vitamins and some aminoacids, as far as my blood analisys showed... So, I had to eat some more protein again, and because my increasign blood sugar levels, I dropped grains and pulses and started to eat some fish. Then I found raw diet and began eating only fruit, greens, vegetables, nuts, seeds and a bit of fish and egg yolks. My symthomps all disapeared, no drugs, no suplements, no other things..., so it was clear I was lacking for some nutrients... I have in mind, when I consider I'm completely recovered (my motor neurons in my limbs will be totally reconstructed), I will begin to give up this animal portions. But for the time being, I can't follow a religion by itself. I'm not saying vegan is void. It's very possible cooked vegan drained a lot of vitamins, oligoelements from my body, but I'n now replenishing them the way I think is better for me. By other way, as chimpances, bonobos, and most of apes, monkeys and primates, animal protein is a natural food for these species. I don't say it's a staple. And of course, human gut can digest perfectly this kind of food. I have not made mathematics with my meals, but I know I eat aproximately, by day, one pound of fruit, one pound of green leaves, two pounds of other vegetables (half of these are no sweet fruit as cucumbers, peppers, tomato...), and some other vegetables for " garnish " as onion, olives (I pick them from the olive trees and store them in water); about 1/1.5 ounces of nuts (fresh in shell, and picked by me from tree; I have to take the " walnut " or " almond " out from the outer pulp matter)... and, for " animal " I never eat more than 2/3 ounces of raw sardines/anchovies or 1/2 egg yolks. Maybe this percentage was less than the meat percentage a chimp eats... (5- 10%?) I think it's natural food for humans... Of course, I can be mistaken here... I don't want to argue here with you, I only considered it was an interesting subject... Willie (w) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2003 Report Share Posted November 13, 2003 Willie, It takes time to appreciate the 100% raw diet. I do not eat eggs, sardines and so forth; not simply for the doctrinaire reasons which are fairly easy to justify. On odd occasions I come up against a doctor who says I really should try something such as having a bit of fish twice a week. Next thing I eat a sardine and the next day I find my whole tract is emptied. I tried the raw egg and it came out of my nose. I think these learned people know very little about diet and certainly do not practice what the preach. Concerning the vegan diet. I have a pale faced niece who thinks a pizza Marguerite is good nourishment and really it is little wonder that vegans wind up in doctors' surgeries in a state of deficiency. Primates and you may include humans in that category can eat meat and get away with it. Dogs can go vegetarian if their owners push it. Cattle can feed on the caucuses of other cattle cooked but eventually disease break out. With humans we call it heart disease, diabetes, Cancer, MS. Then there is mad cow disease and more cancer in chicken and the food chain than there is even in humans. This may seem simplistic but it seems hard to deny to me. Peter rawsunlife [no_reply ] 11 November 2003 09:51 rawfood [Raw Food] Re: Raw Vegan diet.. Peter, I'm agree with you, and I guess I will be eating raw vegan in a no distant future.... but by the way, a would tell you that my deccission on not vegan nowadays comes from the next " story " : I have been vegetarian for 7 years, and then cooked vegan for 3; I got a " polyneuritis " because lack of B complex vitamins and some aminoacids, as far as my blood analisys showed... So, I had to eat some more protein again, and because my increasign blood sugar levels, I dropped grains and pulses and started to eat some fish. Then I found raw diet and began eating only fruit, greens, vegetables, nuts, seeds and a bit of fish and egg yolks. My symthomps all disapeared, no drugs, no suplements, no other things..., so it was clear I was lacking for some nutrients... I have in mind, when I consider I'm completely recovered (my motor neurons in my limbs will be totally reconstructed), I will begin to give up this animal portions. But for the time being, I can't follow a religion by itself. I'm not saying vegan is void. It's very possible cooked vegan drained a lot of vitamins, oligoelements from my body, but I'n now replenishing them the way I think is better for me. By other way, as chimpances, bonobos, and most of apes, monkeys and primates, animal protein is a natural food for these species. I don't say it's a staple. And of course, human gut can digest perfectly this kind of food. I have not made mathematics with my meals, but I know I eat aproximately, by day, one pound of fruit, one pound of green leaves, two pounds of other vegetables (half of these are no sweet fruit as cucumbers, peppers, tomato...), and some other vegetables for " garnish " as onion, olives (I pick them from the olive trees and store them in water); about 1/1.5 ounces of nuts (fresh in shell, and picked by me from tree; I have to take the " walnut " or " almond " out from the outer pulp matter)... and, for " animal " I never eat more than 2/3 ounces of raw sardines/anchovies or 1/2 egg yolks. Maybe this percentage was less than the meat percentage a chimp eats... (5- 10%?) I think it's natural food for humans... Of course, I can be mistaken here... I don't want to argue here with you, I only considered it was an interesting subject... Willie (w) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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