Guest guest Posted March 3, 2003 Report Share Posted March 3, 2003 Good day all I was going great guns as a raw vegetarian until about 18 months ago when I started to travel on business quite a bit and got tired of making excuses for my food selection when dining with clients and co workers - well - to heck with 'em - I'm starting to purge my body of all the meat and other crap I've eaten in the past year and a half so I can be and feel healthy and in balance again. It was not worth going back to a traditional diet just for client acceptance! Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2003 Report Share Posted March 3, 2003 Good for you Steve. If you were staunchly against smoking you wouldn't let your clients make you smoke just because you wanted to sell something to them. People don't realize how toxic cooked food can be. They don't know they are doing the equivalent or worse of smoking. You're a pioneer Steve and others will follow your example. Roger Haeske Steve <anagram_412 [anagram_412] Monday, March 03, 2003 7:45 AM rawfood [Raw Food] Coming back to rawinsm Good day all I was going great guns as a raw vegetarian until about 18 months ago when I started to travel on business quite a bit and got tired of making excuses for my food selection when dining with clients and co workers - well - to heck with 'em - I'm starting to purge my body of all the meat and other crap I've eaten in the past year and a half so I can be and feel healthy and in balance again. It was not worth going back to a traditional diet just for client acceptance! Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2003 Report Share Posted March 3, 2003 Steve, A point to bear in mind is that people invite you to lunch because they want something that cheap. By just saying " Why not chat in the office? " you may get more done in less time. Of course if you are the end of the meal buying, you may find the superior analysis of a clear mind can make you come out with what you want more easily and save the cost of the meal as well! Peter Steve <anagram_412 [anagram_412] 03 March 2003 13:45 rawfood [Raw Food] Coming back to rawinsm Good day all I was going great guns as a raw vegetarian until about 18 months ago when I started to travel on business quite a bit and got tired of making excuses for my food selection when dining with clients and co workers - well - to heck with 'em - I'm starting to purge my body of all the meat and other crap I've eaten in the past year and a half so I can be and feel healthy and in balance again. It was not worth going back to a traditional diet just for client acceptance! Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2003 Report Share Posted March 4, 2003 Peter Both points are very, very good. In my situation, as an engineering consultant, the offer of food is generally an excuse for either the client OR the consultants company to " show off " either a private club membership or a " really great " resturant. I will, in general, try to convince folks to order in - as you suggest it's a great way to get more work done - but when playing the part of a " road warrior " it can get tough. When I was in Mexico it was really easy to stay raw. We were staying at a very nice hotel complex in Mexicali and they had fresh fruits and veggies out on a buffet for every meal. When you're in a rural setting or in a town like Milwaukee Wisconsin the options are more limited. However, that being said, it's my own fault, not that of the clients and their invitations, for straying from the salad and fruit sections of the menu. My doctor has made things easier for me - telling me that I need to really cut down on my cholesterol levels - and the phrase " doctors orders " can eliminate a whole host of questions. Somehow, my raw vegan diet seemes more " odd " in the office than the adkins diet that a couple of the others who work here have imposed on themselves .... what can you say? Ahh what the heck - it's time for my grapefruit and banana! Steve rawfood , " Peter Gardiner " <petergardiner@e...> wrote: > Steve, > > A point to bear in mind is that people invite you to lunch because they > want something that cheap. By just saying " Why not chat in the office? " > you may get more done in less time. Of course if you are the end of the > meal buying, you may find the superior analysis of a clear mind can make > you come out with what you want more easily and save the cost of the > meal as well! > > Peter > > > Steve <anagram_412> [anagram_412] > 03 March 2003 13:45 > rawfood > [Raw Food] Coming back to rawinsm > > Good day all > > I was going great guns as a raw vegetarian until about 18 months ago > when I started to travel on business quite a bit and got tired of > making excuses for my food selection when dining with clients and co > workers - well - to heck with 'em - I'm starting to purge my body of > all the meat and other crap I've eaten in the past year and a half so > I can be and feel healthy and in balance again. > > It was not worth going back to a traditional diet just for client > acceptance! > > Steve > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 Steve, Even though this theme might seem outside the scope of this forum to some, I am convinced it hits us all, to some extent. It was probably just this issue of business meals which drifted you away from eating raw 18 months ago. There are indeed those who derive their dignity from eating in expensive restaurants and the supposed magnitude of their financial clout. All that aside, quite simply one gets cornered into these restaurant affairs. And women sometimes insist! The tricky bit for me is just until the wine kicks in on the others in the party. By that time some scraggy bit of salad has been consumed and the illusion of intense satisfaction can be spun. I find that both in and out of restaurants, those who eat the cooked food slow down during the course of the meal and this often gives me an upper hand. But then I have attended restaurants whilst on a water fast and simply dismissed the subject by saying the history of fasting is both long and boring and that the table is no place to discuss such matters. I wonder how others deal with this problem? I much prefer to find some fresh food and eat it elsewhere which simply escapes the problem of being seen as outside the heard. Peter Steve <anagram_412 [anagram_412] 04 March 2003 12:24 rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Coming back to rawinsm Peter Both points are very, very good. In my situation, as an engineering consultant, the offer of food is generally an excuse for either the client OR the consultants company to " show off " either a private club membership or a " really great " resturant. I will, in general, try to convince folks to order in - as you suggest it's a great way to get more work done - but when playing the part of a " road warrior " it can get tough. When I was in Mexico it was really easy to stay raw. We were staying at a very nice hotel complex in Mexicali and they had fresh fruits and veggies out on a buffet for every meal. When you're in a rural setting or in a town like Milwaukee Wisconsin the options are more limited. However, that being said, it's my own fault, not that of the clients and their invitations, for straying from the salad and fruit sections of the menu. My doctor has made things easier for me - telling me that I need to really cut down on my cholesterol levels - and the phrase " doctors orders " can eliminate a whole host of questions. Somehow, my raw vegan diet seemes more " odd " in the office than the adkins diet that a couple of the others who work here have imposed on themselves .... what can you say? Ahh what the heck - it's time for my grapefruit and banana! Steve rawfood , " Peter Gardiner " <petergardiner@e...> wrote: > Steve, > > A point to bear in mind is that people invite you to lunch because they > want something that cheap. By just saying " Why not chat in the office? " > you may get more done in less time. Of course if you are the end of the > meal buying, you may find the superior analysis of a clear mind can make > you come out with what you want more easily and save the cost of the > meal as well! > > Peter > > > Steve <anagram_412> [anagram_412] > 03 March 2003 13:45 > rawfood > [Raw Food] Coming back to rawinsm > > Good day all > > I was going great guns as a raw vegetarian until about 18 months ago > when I started to travel on business quite a bit and got tired of > making excuses for my food selection when dining with clients and co > workers - well - to heck with 'em - I'm starting to purge my body of > all the meat and other crap I've eaten in the past year and a half so > I can be and feel healthy and in balance again. > > It was not worth going back to a traditional diet just for client > acceptance! > > Steve > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 I just read something that maybe helpful! In " 12 Steps to Raw " Victoria Botenko suggests making a small card that you keep in your wallet that explains your special request. She says it saves embarassment for her and the waitress, she just smiles and hands her the card. " I think all the chefs appreciate a chance to be creative because my dishes always come so beautiful. " The card says: I EAT ONLY RAW, UNCOOKED FOODS I would like a salad or vegetable plate with only fresh, uncooked items: Then there are columns of foods suggestions i.e. lettuce, zucchini, broccoli, cauliflower, spinach, mushrooms, tomato, sprouts etc. At the bottom of the card it says, " Thank you for your creative efforts! " Leslie (4 days 100% Raw!!! Wahoo!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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