B12 pt 1

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& gt; The problem I have is that they 'don't' care

whether you are raw vegan or not. I do not know about Hcy

and MMA, but it must come down to some kind of

numerical equation, that would be 'relative' to a referance

number, that would have to come from people eating an

unnatural diet.<br><br>I am not suprised that you dont know

about MMA or Hcy. ALso, your attacks on me, and

sidestepping of the current issue does little to support your

postition.<br><br> If there was a perfect world and a perfect diet,

and you were to follow it, then I guess everything

would be ok. So, I guess if you want to find some

remote island somewhere that is untouched from

civiliazation and practice this idealism, then maybe you would

be right.<br><br>BUt, the reality is we dont live in

aperfect world, and even if we could define the perfect

diet, how can you be sure to follow it? All the foods

are GE and hybridized, the land is polluted and the

soil are not what they once were and less fertile.

<br><br>If you would take the time to look into the B12

issue yuo would ifnd that it is not a dietary problem,

but an environmental one. So, regardless of what diet

you follow, we all live in this same environment and

it is less then ideal. The air is polluted, the

water is polluted, (which were all great soources of

B12) and our food is almost sterile and clean.

<br><br> & gt; Just because you have used your little test to

scare a few raw vegans into taking B12 supplements does

not mean you are right.<br><br>Beleive me, I dont

want to be right, nor do i want to scare anyone. I was

a very strict raw food vegan for many many years in

apparently good health with failry good b12 levels. Then on

the advice of another raw fooder, I tested my Hcy and

MMY and turned out they were off. These are not very

good signs. So, not being one to want to scare people

and being one who for YEARS said that their is no B12

issue, decided to lookk futher into it. <br>And low and

behold, it turns out that there are problems not only

amongst vegans, and non vegans but also amongst raw

fooders. Even those who have been raw fooders for long

time. <br><br>You didnt address Doug Graham and his

public statements that agree with mine. Are you calling

him a barbarian and someone who is out scaring other

raw fooders? Or you have addressed any of the others

I have mentioned. And there are quite a few stuides

done on raw fooders that have not been good. Are you

going to dismiss the stuides on those who followed

95-99 % raw food diets and say it is the 1-5% cooked

food that was the problem? <br><br> & gt;You on the

other hand have a lot to lose. If I am right, you have

wasted a lot of time, (20 years?) and money, trying to

get people to eat their Wheaties. <br><br>You exude

such compassion and tolerance and acceptance. Iguess

if you are a 100% raw fooders and reaping the

benefits of this ideal system and showing that all off to

us, then others can look forward to embracing these

values you have developed. <br><br>I have nothing to

lose. I Have not vested interest either way. I have no

20 yr commitment to anything. I dont really care

what you or anyone else does or doesnt do. For many

years I sounded just like you. Said the same things,

almost verbatim. Even about b12.<br><br>But then, when

some raw fooders I knew for a long time ended up

withproblems, what woudl you do? ignore the truth and relaity

and stick to some ideal philsophsy eben though there

are problems around you. <br><br>BTW, I have never or

nor do i promote wheaties <br><br>to be continued