[gorillakeepers] Bouleman??

[Guest guest]

Hi Olaf,

 

One change is the internet, where this information is much easier to disseminate

and more people are aware, than they were 10 years ago. But the main concern for

many is the notion that the animals would be a state " gift " from one country to

another, in which case there may not be the professional protection an approved

EEP transfer would imply.

 

I'm still waiting for info from Shanghai about its facilities, and how, if at

all, they've changed since 2002 when the last photos and reports I got were

from.

 

Bouleman, Billy and others won't be forgotten now-a-days, at least if we can

keep the lines of communications open and help zoos exchange husbandry

ideas/improvements, etc, to benefit the animals, which will ultimately benefit

the zoos themselves. By helping gorillas as individuals, hopefully it will raise

the bar for *all* animals in captivity and urge zoos to do more to improve their

own situations, as well as actively participate in in-situ conservation efforts

as well.

 

" Pollyanna " Jane Dewar ;-)

 

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Olaf Paterok

aapn ; gorillakeepers

Thursday, September 01, 2005 11:57 AM

[gorillakeepers] Bouleman??

 

 

 

 

Hello all,

 

apart from all the discussion about the 1,2 European gorillas going to

Shanghai Zoo and wether it is good or not, I would really like to know if male

Bouleman is still at this very zoo. He was transferred to Shanghai Zoo in 1993

from Blijdorp Rotterdam (Wassenaar to be correct) and from then on lived at the

zoo by himself.

 

What is the plan for Bouleman if Shanghai Zoo has really built new

accomodation? What is going to happen with this elderly but really nice male?

Will they sent him somewhere to a Chinese province - like it happened to male

Billy who came from Barcelona Zoo in 1996 and just dissapeared at some Chinese

zoo.

 

I hope the EEP will care a bit about these animals. Especially if they are

still the property of European zoos.

 

Why do the animal rights activists argue so much against the trasfer of Bokito

and the two females if the same happened years ago and - as far as I know - the

animal transferred those days (Bouleman) happened to live quite healthy ever

since? I doubt they know that there are already gorillas from Europe at this

zoo.

 

Blijdorp proved to be very much responsible about their animals in foreign

zoos in the past. For two young bull elephants which had been sent to inadequate

housing in Spain they helped the park there to improve the situation by sending

an expert down to support the people there. I am sure Blijdorp would never send

gorillas to a bad place or bad facilities. Especially if - as in this case - on

of the Rotterdam born gorillas (probabaly female Astra) will be among the

animals to be sent there.

 

For male Bokito from Berlin it is a unique chance to get a harem group and

avoid the bachelor group life. The so called " animal lovers " in Berlin should

shut up and better care about the horrible ape house at Berlin Zoo.

 

I much more hope someone will care about Bouleman and Billy...

 

best regards

 

Olaf

 

 

 

 

 

 

gorillakeepers schrieb am 31.08.05 22:22:46:

 

 

 

 

PS. Meant to say gorillas from both Germany AND the Netherlands are going ...

sorry for the confusion. j.

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Jane T. R. Dewar

gorillakeepers ; Asian Animal Protection

Wednesday, August 31, 2005 4:15 PM

[gorillakeepers] gorillas as gifts?

 

 

http://www.prowildlife.de/de/Presse/Archiv_2005/PM-Gorillas-China_2005/pm-gorill\

as-china_2005.html

 

This is " auf Deutsch " - in German - but basically it refers to the move of

some gorillas from German zoos to Shanghai in China as a " state gift " from the

government of the Netherlands to China ...I've also heard it's a routine

transfer from one EEP zoo to another and not a state gift.

 

If anyone out there cares to post a rough English translation, thanks in

advance. My german ain't what it used to be, but the gist, I think, is

ProWildlife opposes the transfer, based on Shanghai's long history of alleged

animal abuse, etc. I have photos of the gorilla enclosure there in 2002, but

have heard they have made changes, including a new chimp facility, ok'd by Jane

Goodall ...

 

Anyone out there know more about this?

 

Thanks!

 

Jane