Guest guest Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 Pradeep brings up useful points for discussion. Should animal rights advocates be overly concerned about protection of human rights when humans can be their own advocates and have the advantage in all situations concerning animal? It is an absolute truth that a wholly compassionate person will be sensitive to the feelings and welfare of all creatures (human and animal), but our job is advocating for animals, who would otherwise have no voice. We cannot stand on both sides in a conflict between what humans desire and what animals need, although we might offer constructive compromise, if such a thing is possible. In a situation where actual human need is pitted against animal welfare, the animals will always lose. Pradeep also suggests a birth control program for humans. Indeed if the human population continues growing, as it is projected to do for another 50 years, there will be no habitat left for wildlife, and the rate of human population growth is higher in Asia than anywhere else on earth. Only Brazil and Mexico come anywhere close to the rate of growth in Asia. The US and Europe would be at zero population growth now except for immigration. There is nothing animal advocates as a group can do to curb the birthrate, but we should be mindful that it is the biggest factor of all in animal welfare problems. Kim Bartlett >Pradeep Nath <vspcadeep >Sat, 6 Aug 2005 03:04:44 -0700 (PDT) > >Re: Reply Dear friends, > >How long are we to decide with human rights for animal welfare. Is >it not enough or is there some more to satisfy the humans. As a >race that exploited for all the selfish reasons upsetting the entire >biological spheres pushing to the brim of total destruction why talk >about human rights. > >It should now read as animal rights and welfare for the sake of >humans and this will lead us to our objectives. Animals and all >species except humans have given their lives for human comforts. >Nobody has the right to take other's lives unless threatened. And >all species are found to be useful to theenvironment except the >humans. Excepting for helping each other the humans have no values. > >There is no morality also. A bull or a cow after serving day and >night to the families for 15 years endup in the terrible >transportations and slaughter houses. Similarly are other useful >animals. > >The report on Tiger issues was submitted to the PM with the basic >recommendations that unless tribals are roped in or the humans at >the forest are encouraged there is no safety to the tigers and >subsequently to the entire forest life. How much more preconditions >to the tribals is this necessary. The tribal bill will obviously go >through. These are all at the top level while the situation is >totally different at the ground level. The poachers are immune to >these decisions. With the fluid political scenario and money bait >to the humans the poachers are laughing in their sleeves. > >It needs committment and dedicated officers with total govt. >protection. And all the while we keep thinking of human rights and >their welfare which also has limits we are going to land in no zone >atleast for the wildanimals. Yes the tribals should be compensated >or selected for jobs but there can be no encroachments or humans in >the sanctuary. Even a single individual in the pack can spoil the >entire setup to protect the forests and under the low pecuniary >conditions of the tribals it is easy to lure them in the illegal >trade. They need to move out. Their rights are protected when they >are shown the right path and the right economy living and educated >to learn to earn by the applicable methods and not on taking other >species lives. it is not their right to do so. If the human cannot >recognise the rights of other species than they cannot have any >rights also. > >I was able to turn the seaturtle poachers into protectors by paying >suitably and used religion and silent warnings and now the migratory >birds at Telenelipuram. I protected human rights for animal welfare >while educating the masses. I bring into fold 24 villages to man >the coasts. Through the human I entered the entire villages. It >has worked. But tiger poachers are in need of huge money and this >cannot be compensated by any jobs. So they need to be caught and >punished while the tribals or conduits in the villages will be >warned while a comprehensive awareness campaign lodged. This is >protecting human rights through animal welfare. To show the >animal's usefulness beneficial to humans. > >ANd this is what we are into now. Formulating scheme to enter every >village gradually encompassing all our projects for domestic and >wild bringing in all social and economic values with all sentiments >in our customs. Money spent in this direction is much economical >with best results. Understanding animal values will help the humans. > >And these are all attributed to a populated and ever growing >population. Why should not ABC for humans also. > >I am thinking like a plain species with justification for all >species. My views for animals and please excuse me if I have >offended anybody. > >Pradeep. > > <shubhobrotoghosh wrote: >Dear Dr Krishna and Ms Welch, >I just wanted to mean that all people who abuse animals(in wildlife >trade or otherwise)have a right to present their case just like all >criminals(including robbers and rapists and serial killers)are >legally entitled to trial before indictment. This is where human >rights comes in. Listening to a wildlife trader does not mean >supporting his vocation. We could carry on this issue till the cows >come home, but in case we differ, I think it is better we just agree >to diasgree. Many thanks for writing. >Warm regards, > >Yours sincerely, > > > >On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 Dr.S.Chinny Krishna wrote : >>Dear , >> >>I fully agree with you that we cannot think of animal rights without >>considering human rights, but where exactly this enters the debate in >>question is beyond me. >> >>S. Chinny Krishna >> >> >> [shubhobrotoghosh] >>Friday, August 05, 2005 12:48 PM >>aapn >>Re: wildlife consumption in Asia >> >>Dear Ms. Bartlett and Ms Welch and AAPN colleagues, >> Your comments are >>appreciated. I am not blaming any country or any individual in particular >>but just trying to say that the wildlife trade issue is a complex global >>one. I however do believe in healthy debate since most often leaving things >>to 'the higher authorities' causes the problems in the first place. I also >>do believe that unless you respect humans you cannot respect animals. In >>short we cannot think of animal rights without considering human rights. >>Thank you for your views and all the best in your work. >> Best wishes and kind regards, >> >> Yours sincerely, > > -- Kim Bartlett, Publisher of ANIMAL PEOPLE Newspaper Postal mailing address: P.O. Box 960, Clinton WA 98236 U.S.A. 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