[100% veg*n ] Confessions of a teenage meat eater- new family

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I'm with you strongly in this idea.

 

Surround yourself with others with similar goals, so that you can all

support each other, and encourage growth.

 

This is much different than being around people who are stuck for whatever

reason from progressing.

I don't hate my brother, but he's not one I can talk to about these type of

issues to help myself resolve questions, and he likely won't have ideas on

how I can grow even more.

 

Jon

 

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" irene_lucy " <irene.lucy

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Thursday, July 11, 2002 5:55 AM

[100% veg*n ] Re: Confessions of a teenage meat eater

 

 

>

> I mostly agree with Brad about how I feel about animal eaters.

>

> And I just have to say this.

>

> What is wrong with vegans being as substitute family to one another

> anyway?

>

> If we work on building strong bonds between vegans, then we don't

> have to deal so much with biological family where we have little

> common ground.

>

> Now who will be my kids' ungodparents and raise them vegan if hubby

> and I die? I want vegans to do that, not biological family who are

> omnis.

>

> What is family anyway? It should be possible for it to be who you

> choose! Let's try thinking out of the box a bit here.

>

> Lesley

>

> (Lesley Dove-free? Pah!)

>

>

> vegan-network, Gareth Pashley <gpashley@b...> wrote:

> > I was just wondering Brad...are all of your family vegan or do you

> treat

> > them with the same amount of hate that you reserve for the rest of

> the

> > world's meat-eaters/non-vegans. If they are vegan you are very

> lucky to have

> > been brought up in such an environment but may have different

> experiences

> > than most of us have had and not had to deal with the same issues.

> If they

> > aren't vegan have you cut yourself off from them??

> >

> > Gareth Pashley

> > Periodicals, Dorset House Library

> > Bournemouth University

> > gpashley@b...

> >

> > " Beneath the pavement, the beach "

> >

> > >

> > > kiwi2000 [sMTP:kiwi2000@o...]

> > > Thursday, July 11, 2002 7:12 AM

> > > vegan-network

> > > Re: [100% veg*n ] Re: Confessions of a teenage meat

> eater

> > >

> > > Jon,

> > > communication is such a difficult thing. We see through

> our

> > > distortions not very clearly. I know that using the word Nazi

> > > evokes negative vibes. And you're right that the Nazi has hate in

> his

> > > heart and the meat eater is more or less unconscious.

> > > As with any analogy it serves only partially. By saying what I

> said, I'm

> > > not judging or saying that meat eaters are Nazis.

> > > To me murder is murder. If death of the innocent is the ultimate

> result

> > > does it matter much how the killer felt or why he killed or

> > > that he will keep on killing? To me an animals' life is as

> precious as a

> > > humans' life. That seems to be missing in our discussions here.

> > > We get very upset at the killing of a human, but not upset enough

> at the

> > > killing of an animal. If the animals' family were to take up arms

> > > and seek out the murderer of their kin and take revenge, how

> differently

> > > we would all act. By using the analogy of the Nazi, I'm saying

> > > that to take an animal life is just as bad as to take an human

> life. It

> > > isn't OK in my mind to wait ten years to see if the person I

> married

> > > will wake up one day, maybe, and stop participating in the murder

> (of

> > > animals). Just as it wouldn't be OK for someone who married a

> Nazi to wait

> > > ten years to see if maybe the Nazi will stop killing Jews. Every

> day that

> > > goes by is another Jew and/or animal killed. Are you saying that

> it's OK

> > > to let X number of animals die as we wait to see what will

> happen, maybe?

> > > How many sticks of dynamite will it take to wake people up?

> > > If you were the Jew or the animal that was going to be killed

> today

> > > because the Nazi or meat eater hasn't come to realize that the

> killing was

> > > wrong, or your wife or your child, or mother, father, brother,

> sister,best

> > > friend how would it be then to wait that one more day if it meant

> your

> > > death or theirs? Oh no, we don't want to be impolite or

> disrespectful

> > > here. God forbid someone should cry out too loudly in the name of

> > > senseless, countless slaughter. It might disturb the poor little

> > > sensibilities of our fellow members. Sorry all, I

> don't have

> > > that kind of patience. This is not OK with me! Saying that this

> is the way

> > > the world is, is no excuse. We are all much too comfortable with

> killing.

> > >

> Brad

> > >

> > >

> > >

>

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