[100% veg*n ] Confessions of a teenage meat eater

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Whoa, just a minute, I have not completely disassociated from family,

just because I would like some vegans close to my family as

substitute extended family! I was simply expressing what would be MY

ideal situation! Lots of vegans in each area being like family to one

another, what could be wrong with that? I never said you HAD to shun

your non-vegan family, or veggie partner.

In fact I am personally very happy to link up with vegetarians as

well as vegans!

 

I don't see why I am considered by you to be patronising, I would

think you would be happy that SOME of us appreciate our fellow vegans

enough to want seriously to be part of a really caring community with

them, helping out with caring for one another's children and helping

elderly vegans too.

 

I would rather help and be helped by vegans than just anyone in my

life, and yet vegans are so fragmented and disunified where I live,

that I can't even find a vegan babysitter locally (or a veggie

babysitter for that matter at the moment)! Maybe that's just the way

it is in the London area.

 

You don't have to want to be involved in building help and support

between vegans if it's not your priority (but I suspect you probably

are involved in such things), just don't slag off those of us who do

want to put their fellow vegans as a high priority and care about

them. It's not about hating anyone, it's about having the type of

people in your life that you are comfortable with and I am more

comfortable with those who respect life more than with those who do

not!

 

I truly have very little in common with my biological family, I know

them, you don't, so don't judge me for saying the truth of my life as

I see it! I have a cousin who is a dairy farmer and my aunt just

married a man who takes his pals to hare coursing events, so how far

removed from me is that? Oh and I have had gay friends and my dad is

a homophobe, so there is another very different attitude I have from

my family!

 

I hope I expressed that clearly, I was not attacking you so stop

attacking me.

 

Lesley

 

 

vegan-network, Gareth Pashley <gpashley@b...> wrote:

> Maybe some people aren't willing to completely disassociate

themselves from

> those that have brought them up...helped them out..made them what

they are

> today.

>

> To say you have little common ground is nonsensical...you are made

of/by

> your family as well as your environment. I am with who I

choose...my partner

> (who isn't vegan..though she is trying, if I had left her it would

be

> another possible vegan gone by the wayside because of an extremist

view),

> but I don't deny the existence of or refuse to associate myself

with my

> family just because they continue to eat meat.

>

> Do some of you only talk,socialise...smile at vegans...what happens

if you

> are having a pleasant chat with someone, maybe a stranger, and then

you find

> out they aren't vegan...do you spit on them..get up and walk away.

Have you

> been vegans all your life or did you once eat meat.....? How did

you find

> out about veganism...it sure as hell wasn't from scary

fundamentalist

> refusing to tell you about it...

>

> And if vegans only interacted with other vegans how would you work

on

> changing the way the world works...by hiding in a broom cupboard and

> refusing to share your thoughts with others who haven't 'seen the

light'

>

> Sorry but I find your " lets try thinking out of the box a bit here "

attitude

> patronising and the hatred some people feel for others is

disgusting and

> little better than race hatred.

>

> gggrrrrr...rant over!!

>

> gareth

>

>

>

> >

> > irene_lucy [sMTP:irene.lucy@n...]

> > Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:56 AM

> > vegan-network

> > [100% veg*n ] Re: Confessions of a teenage meat eater

> >

> >

> > I mostly agree with Brad about how I feel about animal eaters.

> >

> > And I just have to say this.

> >

> > What is wrong with vegans being as substitute family to one

another

> > anyway?

> >

> > If we work on building strong bonds between vegans, then we don't

> > have to deal so much with biological family where we have little

> > common ground.

> >

> > Now who will be my kids' ungodparents and raise them vegan if

hubby

> > and I die? I want vegans to do that, not biological family who

are

> > omnis.

> >

> > What is family anyway? It should be possible for it to be who you

> > choose! Let's try thinking out of the box a bit here.

> >

> > Lesley

> >

> > (Lesley Dove-free? Pah!)

> >

> >

> > vegan-network, Gareth Pashley <gpashley@b...> wrote:

> > > I was just wondering Brad...are all of your family vegan or do

you

> > treat

> > > them with the same amount of hate that you reserve for the rest

of

> > the

> > > world's meat-eaters/non-vegans. If they are vegan you are very

> > lucky to have

> > > been brought up in such an environment but may have different

> > experiences

> > > than most of us have had and not had to deal with the same

issues.

> > If they

> > > aren't vegan have you cut yourself off from them??

> > >

> > > Gareth Pashley

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

maybe I misunderstood but it sounds to me like you do.

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quercusrobur2002

vegan-network

Thursday, July 11, 2002 9:18 AM

[100% veg*n ] Re: Confessions of a teenage meat eater

 

 

Who hates vegans here?

 

vegan-network, kiwi2000 <kiwi2000@o...> wrote:

> I find it strange that we have vegan hating vegans among us.

> I don't understand that. If you're a vegan and don't like vegans,

where does that leave you but totally alone.

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I didn't want to cut myself off from them but to a degree I did feel some

alienation from them because of my vegan beliefs.

I did not totally accept them. Having feelings for ones' parents who raised you

is a bit different from the way you might feel about people in general.

 

-

Gareth Pashley

'vegan-network '

Thursday, July 11, 2002 9:09 AM

RE: [100% veg*n ] Re: Confessions of a teenage meat eater

 

 

" I accepted them as they were,non-vegans "

 

 

so why do you and others find it so hard to accept other people as they

are...much as you feel the rage against the killing you accepted your

parents.......

 

 

 

Gareth Pashley

Periodicals, Dorset House Library

Bournemouth University, BH12 5BB

tel:01202 595053

gpashley

 

" Beneath the pavement, the beach "

 

>

> kiwi2000 [sMTP:kiwi2000]

> Thursday, July 11, 2002 2:06 PM

> vegan-network

> Re: [100% veg*n ] Re: Confessions of a teenage meat eater

>

> Garth,

> what you see is not hate, it's rage against the killing. My

> parents are dead. I did not hate them. I accepted them as they were,

> non-vegans. I don't have much to do with my extended family I guess

> partially, though not totally, because they are non-vegans, and into

> mostly mainstream bullshit. I don't hate people. I hate killing.

> Brad

>

>

 

 

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