Guest guest Posted September 23, 2001 Report Share Posted September 23, 2001 Lesley Dove wrote: > > > .. and i read the labels twice. where do they stick the milk and > eggs? > > Caseinates somewhere as a binder for the vegetable protein they use, > so I have heard. Really sorry to hear you got spiked, I'm sure it has > happened to a lot of other vegans too, definitely not your fault. Apparently the animal ingredient (presumably the caseinates) are removed during the process of cooking. > The > only indicator that they are now not vegan is that the old packaging > stated vegan and the new packaging does not, but vegans who were > previously not familiar with the products and packaging, and the fact > that it was always declared if they were vegan, would not know about > their labelling customs, and like you might simply trust the > ingredients list. My understanding is that the ingredients list is trustworthy. A statement such as " Milk products used during creation but not present in final product. " would have been good. > > forget the free helplines, they are just a call centre doing shifts > i dare say. > > Give them hell I say! Apparently they are logging vegan complaints, > so we should keep it up. In the past, you've referred to times when " raising hell " had worked. Usually, that's been because you had a named and recognised person to deal with, on whom pressure could be placed. In this case, giving people hell would merely annoy people who have little to lose by ignoring you. > I have no doubt that that is what they think! So we have to rope in > any vegan-sympathetic friends who may be vegetarian, to join the > Heinz boycott. Show we have teeth! (i) Why would veggies want to boycott one of the best ranges of veggie food out there? (ii) Can't we find more deserving companies for a boycott than Heinz? We don't have teeth. For supermarkets, we are an all but negligible economic force, at least currently. The point at which pressure might be applied is the McCartney family, and they'd only help us because they thought that making being vegan easier was good for the animals. We'll have to convince them, not pressure them. Does anyone know what the point of contact for them is? I've had no luck getting it from the " Careline " . Make no mistake - I'm not happy about this. Any chance I get, I refer to the new products as " now with added cruelty " . But I don't think the " give them hell " approach will work. > > Lesley > > > To to the Digest Mode [ recommended ], send an email to: vegan-network-digest > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2001 Report Share Posted September 23, 2001 Lesley Dove wrote: > > > > > forget the free helplines, they are just a call centre doing > shifts > > > i dare say. > > > > > > Give them hell I say! Apparently they are logging vegan > complaints, > > > so we should keep it up. > > > > In the past, you've referred to times when " raising hell " had > worked. > > Usually, that's been because you had a named and recognised person > to > > deal with, on whom pressure could be placed. > > > > In this case, giving people hell would merely annoy people who have > > little to lose by ignoring you. > > I don't mean we should be rude to the helpline people, but we should > keep up the pressure, make sure they know how many people want them > reveganised, even get some non-vegan friends to call them in support. > Some people have said that they have been told that the company is > currently seeking a vegan alternative. If you don't mean that we should be rude, why use a phrase like " Give them hell! " ? > > > I have no doubt that that is what they think! So we have to rope > in > > > any vegan-sympathetic friends who may be vegetarian, to join the > > > Heinz boycott. Show we have teeth! > > > > (i) Why would veggies want to boycott one of the best ranges of > veggie > > food out there? > > It's not even one of the best! I actually never thought it was that > wonderful, but it was and is more accessible than most. There are > better sausages such as Wicken Fen for instance. Fine, then why would veggies want to boycott one of the most accessible ranges of veggie food? > > (ii) Can't we find more deserving companies for a boycott than > Heinz? > > Maybe, but they should know better than to take a step backwards like > this, having already started catering for vegans. Yes, but they don't ... and there are many companies more deserving of boycott. If we boycott everyone as ethical or less so than McCartney's .... where are we going to eat? > > We don't have teeth. For supermarkets, we are an all but negligible > > economic force, at least currently. Left in because I think it bears repeating. > > The point at which pressure might be applied is the McCartney > family, > > and they'd only help us because they thought that making being vegan > > easier was good for the animals. We'll have to convince them, not > > pressure them. > > I know their son is vegan, so he would be a good one to start with. He is? Who? > > Make no mistake - I'm not happy about this. Any chance I get, I > refer to > > the new products as " now with added cruelty " . But I don't think the > > " give them hell " approach will work. > > I think the boycott has potential Why? I doubt it would even register as a blip on their scale. >, but any effort to contact the > McCartney's would probably help too. I can't think of any reason why anything other than (i) their customer service line or (ii) a campaign aimed a the McCartney family would work. > Lesley > > > To to the Digest Mode [ recommended ], send an email to: vegan-network-digest > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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