Guest guest Posted March 2, 2001 Report Share Posted March 2, 2001 Yeah..this is another claissic (plants have feelings) altough according to the teachings of Lord Krishna, killing plants is an act of violence. Many people choose only to eat ripe fruit discarded by plants which does not have any detrimental effect on the host plant. I agree (be a fool not to) that plants do not have a central nervous system similar to the animal kingdom, but the idea of conciousness (or awareness) being something unique to the animal kingdom is a very arogant philosophical statement. The closest I ever got to reading any serious research on this subject was when a favourite Nietzche book of mine (daybreak , thoughts on the prejudices of morality) made referance to Astrophysisist Johann Zollner, who " apparently " did a lot of research into memory and awareness in matter (or substance). Nietzche and Kant also struggled with this idea of (the thing within itself) with the former concluding that everything was completely imeasurable beyond our experience of it. Nietzche also cemented for me the idea that evolution was not a process of design but rather of chance. That the eye was created BEFORE the purposes that it ensured its survival. This is a lovely point in that it really crushes the ridiculous (oh we are omni/carnivores because of our teeth). It is amazing how darwinian theory is still interpreted be the masses as a process of divine design. Anyway, I never tracked down any Zollner stuff apart from some writings about when he came to England to rigerously investigate some mysticism in the late 19th or early 20th Century. And whilst I still lean towards the universe of chance, I still hold a philosopical view in favour of becoming, and that everything is always in a state of becoming. At what point, and to what extent self awareness begins is well beyond our comprehension. But I have the upmost respect for all animal life AND all plant life. I am eternally greatful for the fruits of the world and I thank them eternally. Everything is one! peace and love to you all! xxx MrBiG _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2001 Report Share Posted March 2, 2001 Well then, as I'll never understand it....to the best of MY arrogant comprehension, plants are less sentient than animals (j/k). It's a good post, thanks for that. Saw a Hari-Krishna on the news yesterday. They had their own dairy cows and a big muscley thing to plough their fields. It said they allowed them to lead a normal life, I didn't see any calves though. > Regards, > > Rowan McCartney mr big [pervyempire] 02 March 2001 11:51 vegan-network PlAnTs HaVe FeElInGs ToO! Yeah..this is another claissic (plants have feelings) altough according to the teachings of Lord Krishna, killing plants is an act of violence. Many people choose only to eat ripe fruit discarded by plants which does not have any detrimental effect on the host plant. I agree (be a fool not to) that plants do not have a central nervous system similar to the animal kingdom, but the idea of conciousness (or awareness) being something unique to the animal kingdom is a very arogant philosophical statement. The closest I ever got to reading any serious research on this subject was when a favourite Nietzche book of mine (daybreak , thoughts on the prejudices of morality) made referance to Astrophysisist Johann Zollner, who " apparently " did a lot of research into memory and awareness in matter (or substance). Nietzche and Kant also struggled with this idea of (the thing within itself) with the former concluding that everything was completely imeasurable beyond our experience of it. Nietzche also cemented for me the idea that evolution was not a process of design but rather of chance. That the eye was created BEFORE the purposes that it ensured its survival. This is a lovely point in that it really crushes the ridiculous (oh we are omni/carnivores because of our teeth). It is amazing how darwinian theory is still interpreted be the masses as a process of divine design. Anyway, I never tracked down any Zollner stuff apart from some writings about when he came to England to rigerously investigate some mysticism in the late 19th or early 20th Century. And whilst I still lean towards the universe of chance, I still hold a philosopical view in favour of becoming, and that everything is always in a state of becoming. At what point, and to what extent self awareness begins is well beyond our comprehension. But I have the upmost respect for all animal life AND all plant life. I am eternally greatful for the fruits of the world and I thank them eternally. Everything is one! peace and love to you all! xxx MrBiG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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