the other Tibetans

March 4, 2006

We've gotten rather quiet. Chrism, I hope you're feeling ok. I await

information about the San Diego seminar if that is still on.

In Peter Kelder's first book about the five Tibetan rites, he also

discusses three other practices. For the sake of convenience, I

think of them as the 6th, 7th and 8th Tibetans.

The 6th is an exercise for transmuting sexual energy.

The 7th is a dietary guideline.

The 8th is, mainly for men, humming or chanting in a low vocal

register to stimulate the throat chakra.

My experience with these are limited (they're mostly new to me),

but I have the following observations:

Tibetan monks seem to indeed practice the 8th " rite " . I've

listened to Tibetan chanting on cd with amazement at how they

found men with such low voices. It hadn't occurred to me that

they developed those bass voices in order to benefit from them. I

don't know if there is any benefit to just listening to them. My own

voice, somewhere between baritone and tenor, will never rival

theirs.

As for the 6th, these practices in general (the 6th or maybe one

of the other 5) have already had an effect on me. I've not followed

the guidelines for abstinence/celibacy/conservation, yet have felt

a dramatic sensation in the area of the 2nd chakra (counting

from bottom up). I can only describe it as a tug of war involving

something other than our physical bodies. I don't know if the

chakra was involved or of it was something else in our energy

bodies, but we definitely seemed to be pulling at each other (with

intense pleasure!)

Finally the 7th. These dietary guidelines advise not mixing

certain foods. This can be done at the most basic level, which is

not eating starches and high-protein foods in the same meal

because of conflicts this creates in the digestion system.

Taken to it furthest extreme, one might avoid mixing ANY foods,

in other words only eating one kind of food per sitting, and

preferably a food that doesn't contain mixed ingredients. If you

think about it, it's amazing how different this is from our own

dietary beliefs. We believe in a balanced meal containing a bit of

everything. The Tibetans tell us just the opposite. Maybe a

balanced diet -- but not all in one meal. Also, we should try to eat

less. Of course, different people have various needs and they

should eat whatever their bodies tell them they need, provided

their bodies aren't simply indulging in addictions ( " I need

chocolate! " screams my hopelessly profligate body).

I've tried this sort of thing many times before, and it really does

increase ones appreciation for foods as they occur in nature.

The taste of a simple " meal " can linger for hours as if the

stomach and tongue were parts of the same digestive organ.

John E

March 5, 2006

I use the Tibetans for the activation of Kundalini in a body that isn't or has

not yet opened to this flow. There are other benefits to them and this good but

not what I am using them for. After years of practice I determined that the best

practices/techniques are those that have benefits that go outside the scope of

the Kundalini in case the individual decides not to engage the flow, they still

have practice that is healthy and will propel them forward wherever they wish to

go, inside love.

The Tibetans are for the generation and dissemination of micro releases of

Kundalini throughout the body. Allowing the body to adjust and allowing health

benefits to be kindled. They are directed to the first five chakras. Each

Tibetan is designed to assist the energy to climb higher and higher in a bottom

to top fashion. The other rites are for those who wish to go farther. They are

not to be tasted or trifled with in the context of tasting wine or trying this

for that effect or that for another. They are deeply significant and often

dangerous aspects of a sacred system thousands of years old and practiced by

those in Tibet and other areas for the extension of life, and the raising of the

Kundalini.

We are given so much choice and opportunity in our western society that we

often allow sincerity and sacredness, belief and spiritual consciousness to be

muddled into aspects of entertainment. We tease and deride those who cling to

the old ways of sacrifice and service, enlightenment and esoteric activities

beyond the understandings of the masses more interested in the latest TV

program. We seek the latest diet to expel the fat from our bodies, fat we pile

on that we may gorge continuously all the while seeking youth full appearances,

sexual attraction being relegated to just another addiction.

Thank you John E for the information and yes I have been aware of the other

practices for sometime but others are not so now they can choose. I limited the

Tibetans to 5 as this was the safest route for the beginning person. Narrowing

the choices and trying for focus rather than the field of all opportunity. The

act of actually doing the practice will also separate the wheat from the chaff,

and I salute all of you who continue to practice and if John Es' other options

appeal to you then you of course are free to go there. My advice is to go slowly

and allow for adjustment. If you can do the 6th Tibetan and never ever have

sexual congress with another or yourself for the rest of your life then yes this

is appropriate for you. Do not turn back however and rescind that commitment

because of desire. Be certain of how you feel and don't look back.

Let us be clear about some things. There are other levels of existence. You

exist in one that is intersected with others. The actions you produce here are

felt in other places, by other life, by other intelligence. Ripples in the pond.

As water freezes into ice and heats into steam so do we as intelligence

transmute into other forms of expression. That transmutation is influenced by

your intent and actions based on the intent you express here, now, even as you

read.

Keep your commitments. Be truthful and sincere. Do the practice if you feel it

is the right thing for you to do but know this as you do it. You are unlocking a

door. A door that can lead you into extreme danger and extreme joy. It is

extreme because your still in a body, blind, and blending the levels. Do not do

this for power over anything other than your desires. Not for exaltation or " the

challenge " or for the ultimate experience of it because it will consume you and

rightfully so. I cannot list the multitude ways the Kundalini can go wrong in a

person, or the number of ways it can go right. If you do the practice sincerely

and with sacred intention then it will go lovingly, with the seeds of

helpfulness you plant by your actions and intentions. Be careful and honest with

yourself. Its worth it. -

March 5, 2006

Elegantly stated, Chris and those parts I can relate to, resonate

with truth and meaning. Get well soon - John R.

, chrism

<> wrote:

>

> I use the Tibetans for the activation of Kundalini in a body that

isn't or has not yet opened to this flow. There are other benefits

to them and this good but not what I am using them for. After years

of practice I determined that the best practices/techniques are

those that have benefits that go outside the scope of the Kundalini

in case the individual decides not to engage the flow, they still

have practice that is healthy and will propel them forward wherever

they wish to go, inside love.

>

> The Tibetans are for the generation and dissemination of micro

releases of Kundalini throughout the body. Allowing the body to

adjust and allowing health benefits to be kindled. They are directed

to the first five chakras. Each Tibetan is designed to assist the

energy to climb higher and higher in a bottom to top fashion. The

other rites are for those who wish to go farther. They are not to be

tasted or trifled with in the context of tasting wine or trying this

for that effect or that for another. They are deeply significant and

often dangerous aspects of a sacred system thousands of years old

and practiced by those in Tibet and other areas for the extension of

life, and the raising of the Kundalini.

>

> We are given so much choice and opportunity in our western

society that we often allow sincerity and sacredness, belief and

spiritual consciousness to be muddled into aspects of entertainment.

We tease and deride those who cling to the old ways of sacrifice and

service, enlightenment and esoteric activities beyond the

understandings of the masses more interested in the latest TV

program. We seek the latest diet to expel the fat from our bodies,

fat we pile on that we may gorge continuously all the while seeking

youth full appearances, sexual attraction being relegated to just

another addiction.

>

> Thank you John E for the information and yes I have been aware

of the other practices for sometime but others are not so now they

can choose. I limited the Tibetans to 5 as this was the safest route

for the beginning person. Narrowing the choices and trying for focus

rather than the field of all opportunity. The act of actually doing

the practice will also separate the wheat from the chaff, and I

salute all of you who continue to practice and if John Es' other

options appeal to you then you of course are free to go there. My

advice is to go slowly and allow for adjustment. If you can do the

6th Tibetan and never ever have sexual congress with another or

yourself for the rest of your life then yes this is appropriate for

you. Do not turn back however and rescind that commitment because of

desire. Be certain of how you feel and don't look back.

>

> Let us be clear about some things. There are other levels of

existence. You exist in one that is intersected with others. The

actions you produce here are felt in other places, by other life, by

other intelligence. Ripples in the pond. As water freezes into ice

and heats into steam so do we as intelligence transmute into other

forms of expression. That transmutation is influenced by your intent

and actions based on the intent you express here, now, even as you

read.

>

> Keep your commitments. Be truthful and sincere. Do the practice

if you feel it is the right thing for you to do but know this as you

do it. You are unlocking a door. A door that can lead you into

extreme danger and extreme joy. It is extreme because your still in

a body, blind, and blending the levels. Do not do this for power

over anything other than your desires. Not for exaltation or " the

challenge " or for the ultimate experience of it because it will

consume you and rightfully so. I cannot list the multitude ways the

Kundalini can go wrong in a person, or the number of ways it can go

right. If you do the practice sincerely and with sacred intention

then it will go lovingly, with the seeds of helpfulness you plant by

your actions and intentions. Be careful and honest with yourself.

Its worth it. -

>

March 5, 2006

Sorry, I didn't know I was revealing anything outside of the usual

practice. It's all in a (seemingly) simple little book from the public

library. And the dietary guidelines are just common-sense health

advice. As for the others, I went into no details and don't

necessarily recommend them. If anyone wants to pursue them

they can easily enough seek out the information. I can't imagine

anyone here " muddling " these as " entertainment " so I don't know

if the diatribe was for me or our society, or what. Anyway, my

apologies for mentioning on them on this forum. -- johnE

,

chrism <> wrote:

>

> I use the Tibetans for the activation of Kundalini in a body that

isn't or has not yet opened to this flow. There are other benefits

to them and this good but not what I am using them for. After

years of practice I determined that the best practices/techniques

are those that have benefits that go outside the scope of the

Kundalini in case the individual decides not to engage the flow,

they still have practice that is healthy and will propel them

forward wherever they wish to go, inside love.

>

> The Tibetans are for the generation and dissemination of

micro releases of Kundalini throughout the body. Allowing the

body to adjust and allowing health benefits to be kindled. They

are directed to the first five chakras. Each Tibetan is designed to

assist the energy to climb higher and higher in a bottom to top

fashion. The other rites are for those who wish to go farther. They

are not to be tasted or trifled with in the context of tasting wine or

trying this for that effect or that for another. They are deeply

significant and often dangerous aspects of a sacred system

thousands of years old and practiced by those in Tibet and other

areas for the extension of life, and the raising of the Kundalini.

>

> We are given so much choice and opportunity in our western

society that we often allow sincerity and sacredness, belief and

spiritual consciousness to be muddled into aspects of

entertainment. We tease and deride those who cling to the old

ways of sacrifice and service, enlightenment and esoteric

activities beyond the understandings of the masses more

interested in the latest TV program. We seek the latest diet to

expel the fat from our bodies, fat we pile on that we may gorge

continuously all the while seeking youth full appearances, sexual

attraction being relegated to just another addiction.

>

> Thank you John E for the information and yes I have been

aware of the other practices for sometime but others are not so

now they can choose. I limited the Tibetans to 5 as this was the

safest route for the beginning person. Narrowing the choices

and trying for focus rather than the field of all opportunity. The act

of actually doing the practice will also separate the wheat from

the chaff, and I salute all of you who continue to practice and if

John Es' other options appeal to you then you of course are free

to go there. My advice is to go slowly and allow for adjustment. If

you can do the 6th Tibetan and never ever have sexual congress

with another or yourself for the rest of your life then yes this is

appropriate for you. Do not turn back however and rescind that

commitment because of desire. Be certain of how you feel and

don't look back.

>

> Let us be clear about some things. There are other levels of

existence. You exist in one that is intersected with others. The

actions you produce here are felt in other places, by other life, by

other intelligence. Ripples in the pond. As water freezes into ice

and heats into steam so do we as intelligence transmute into

other forms of expression. That transmutation is influenced by

your intent and actions based on the intent you express here,

now, even as you read.

>

> Keep your commitments. Be truthful and sincere. Do the

practice if you feel it is the right thing for you to do but know this

as you do it. You are unlocking a door. A door that can lead you

into extreme danger and extreme joy. It is extreme because your

still in a body, blind, and blending the levels. Do not do this for

power over anything other than your desires. Not for exaltation or

" the challenge " or for the ultimate experience of it because it will

consume you and rightfully so. I cannot list the multitude ways

the Kundalini can go wrong in a person, or the number of ways it

can go right. If you do the practice sincerely and with sacred

intention then it will go lovingly, with the seeds of helpfulness you

plant by your actions and intentions. Be careful and honest with

yourself. Its worth it. -

>

March 5, 2006

No worries or apologies needed John E. I knew these other practices would be

brought up sometime by someone and its not a bad thing. Not a mistake to post

them. The mistake would be mine for not responding to the posting. The

" diatribe " was directed to all of us here exploring the Kundalini.

It can be difficult to understand the ramifications of a Kundalini activation

out of balance and far beyond the individuals control. Much hardship for many

years. So as we discuss the Kundalini and the different ways of activation it is

wise to also discuss the checks and balances required for a balanced flow. Not

knowing these checks and balances you did not include them, so I did. Truth and

sincerity and honesy and forgiveness, gratitude, inention, action, service,

love, all play roles in the balancing of the flow. For instance, what is a

person chanting? What words are being stated? What happens when a person backs

off of a commitment during the flow? Diet and desires often go hand in hand.

These are questions that need to be addressed. When new material is introduced.

This list is about systems and safety, navigation and understanding, so your

imput has been and is appropriate and appreciated. - c

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