Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 For consideration: When a person talks about other people's business, that falls under the definition of betrayal. Yet, I have never met a person who did that, who did not Also let loose of secrets of their own, which others used against them. So, is the base of betrayal against the others, or betrayal against the self? When a person commits themselves to another, their one true love, yet, they fantasize about having sex with others, is that betrayal of their one true love? Wouldn't it be true, that if they Truly loved their Beloved, that they would not feel the urge to fantasize about others? Is it perhaps a betrayal of themselves, in that they are living the lie that their Beloved is indeed their Beloved? Does all betrayal begin with betrayal of the self, and denial of the truths of self? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Please see below. reneedots <reneedots wrote: For consideration: When a person talks about other people's business, that falls under the definition of betrayal. @@ That would seem to me to be more of a busy body or an error in privacy - not betrayal imho @@ Yet, I have never met a person who did that, who did not Also let loose of secrets of their own, which others used against them. @@ This would seem to be based upon the projected idea that betrayal is based (in this case) about talking about anothers business. @@ So, is the base of betrayal against the others, or betrayal against the self? @@ Betrayal is a personal interpretation of events in a persons life. The angles and shadows of those events, thru the filtrated interpretation of that person, will color the event as a betrayal or not. Sometimes when the energy is burning hot in a person, events that have not been alleviated will come to the fore, these events , though currently not a part of the persons contemporary experience, can intersect and color a persons point of view. Sometimes causing a new and artificial feeling of betrayal. Could this be happening here within the idea that your Kundalini is now running better? @@ When a person commits themselves to another, their one true love, yet, they fantasize about having sex with others, is that betrayal of their one true love? @@ People fantasize. Its part of human nature. Is the fantasy acted upon? Is the other person aware of the fantasies by virtue of pro-active discovery? Is suspicion and subterfuge being injected or is the dialog open and honest? The " One true love " idea is maybe not that all else is excluded from thought but the action of that thought is excluded, and perhaps, a greater understanding of the important issues of trust and interest need to be realigned. Just my take on it.@@ Wouldn't it be true, that if they Truly loved their Beloved, that they would not feel the urge to fantasize about others? @@ No. Truth is all people will fantasize about many things that they feel are perhaps beyond their reach. Creating an outlet for creativity over frustration. Acting on those fantasies would be a different matter.@@ Is it perhaps a betrayal of themselves, in that they are living the lie that their Beloved is indeed their Beloved? @@ Depends on the contemporary agreements between both of them. @@ Does all betrayal begin with betrayal of the self, and denial of the truths of self? @@ Betrayal is born of fear. The fear of loss and the want of gain. Agreements that perhaps need to be modified. Trust is in the balance. Love should always remain. Not the fantasy aspects of teenage love but the real deal. That if you love someone you let them go, if they return then it was never lost if they do not then you have given them the best gift that love can offer - freedom. Just my take - blessings - chrism @@ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Chris wrote: " Sometimes when the energy is burning hot in a person, events that have not been alleviated will come to the fore, these events , though currently not a part of the persons contemporary experience, can intersect and color a persons point of view. Sometimes causing a new and artificial feeling of betrayal. Could this be happening here within the idea that your Kundalini is now running better? @@ " ****OK...I've read this three times and am completely confused....can you reword it more simply? , chrism <> wrote: > > Please see below. > > reneedots <reneedots wrote: For consideration: > > When a person talks about other people's business, that falls under > the definition of betrayal. > > @@ That would seem to me to be more of a busy body or an error in privacy - not betrayal imho @@ > > > > Yet, I have never met a person who did > that, who did not Also let loose of secrets of their own, which others > used against them. > > @@ This would seem to be based upon the projected idea that betrayal is based (in this case) about talking about anothers business. @@ > > So, is the base of betrayal against the others, or > betrayal against the self? > @@ Betrayal is a personal interpretation of events in a persons life. The angles and shadows of those events, thru the filtrated interpretation of that person, will color the event as a betrayal or not. Sometimes when the energy is burning hot in a person, events that have not been alleviated will come to the fore, these events , though currently not a part of the persons contemporary experience, can intersect and color a persons point of view. Sometimes causing a new and artificial feeling of betrayal. Could this be happening here within the idea that your Kundalini is now running better? @@ > > When a person commits themselves to another, their one true love, > yet, they fantasize about having sex with others, is that betrayal of > their one true love? > > @@ People fantasize. Its part of human nature. Is the fantasy acted upon? Is the other person aware of the fantasies by virtue of pro-active discovery? Is suspicion and subterfuge being injected or is the dialog open and honest? > > The " One true love " idea is maybe not that all else is excluded from thought but the action of that thought is excluded, and perhaps, a greater understanding of the important issues of trust and interest need to be realigned. Just my take on it.@@ > > > > > Wouldn't it be true, that if they Truly loved > their Beloved, that they would not feel the urge to fantasize about > others? > > @@ No. Truth is all people will fantasize about many things that they feel are perhaps beyond their reach. Creating an outlet for creativity over frustration. Acting on those fantasies would be a different matter.@@ > > Is it perhaps a betrayal of themselves, in that they are living > the lie that their Beloved is indeed their Beloved? > > @@ Depends on the contemporary agreements between both of them. @@ > > Does all betrayal begin with betrayal of the self, and denial of > the truths of self? > > @@ Betrayal is born of fear. The fear of loss and the want of gain. Agreements that perhaps need to be modified. Trust is in the balance. Love should always remain. Not the fantasy aspects of teenage love but the real deal. That if you love someone you let them go, if they return then it was never lost if they do not then you have given them the best gift that love can offer - freedom. Just my take - blessings - chrism @@ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Is this a Chris truth, or an " everyone " truth? Because, when I'm feeling love, I have no desire to fantasize about others...they are of no interest to me. Is this a male thing? , chrism <> wrote: > > Please see below. > > reneedots <reneedots wrote: For consideration: > > When a person talks about other people's business, that falls under > the definition of betrayal. > > @@ That would seem to me to be more of a busy body or an error in privacy - not betrayal imho @@ > > > > Yet, I have never met a person who did > that, who did not Also let loose of secrets of their own, which others > used against them. > > @@ This would seem to be based upon the projected idea that betrayal is based (in this case) about talking about anothers business. @@ > > So, is the base of betrayal against the others, or > betrayal against the self? > @@ Betrayal is a personal interpretation of events in a persons life. The angles and shadows of those events, thru the filtrated interpretation of that person, will color the event as a betrayal or not. Sometimes when the energy is burning hot in a person, events that have not been alleviated will come to the fore, these events , though currently not a part of the persons contemporary experience, can intersect and color a persons point of view. Sometimes causing a new and artificial feeling of betrayal. Could this be happening here within the idea that your Kundalini is now running better? @@ > > When a person commits themselves to another, their one true love, > yet, they fantasize about having sex with others, is that betrayal of > their one true love? > > @@ People fantasize. Its part of human nature. Is the fantasy acted upon? Is the other person aware of the fantasies by virtue of pro-active discovery? Is suspicion and subterfuge being injected or is the dialog open and honest? > > The " One true love " idea is maybe not that all else is excluded from thought but the action of that thought is excluded, and perhaps, a greater understanding of the important issues of trust and interest need to be realigned. Just my take on it.@@ > > > > > Wouldn't it be true, that if they Truly loved > their Beloved, that they would not feel the urge to fantasize about > others? > > @@ No. Truth is all people will fantasize about many things that they feel are perhaps beyond their reach. Creating an outlet for creativity over frustration. Acting on those fantasies would be a different matter.@@ > > Is it perhaps a betrayal of themselves, in that they are living > the lie that their Beloved is indeed their Beloved? > > @@ Depends on the contemporary agreements between both of them. @@ > > Does all betrayal begin with betrayal of the self, and denial of > the truths of self? > > @@ Betrayal is born of fear. The fear of loss and the want of gain. Agreements that perhaps need to be modified. Trust is in the balance. Love should always remain. Not the fantasy aspects of teenage love but the real deal. That if you love someone you let them go, if they return then it was never lost if they do not then you have given them the best gift that love can offer - freedom. Just my take - blessings - chrism @@ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 As I stated its just my take on it Renee. - c reneedots <reneedots wrote: Is this a Chris truth, or an " everyone " truth? Because, when I'm feeling love, I have no desire to fantasize about others...they are of no interest to me. Is this a male thing? , chrism <> wrote: > > Please see below. > > reneedots <reneedots wrote: For consideration: > > When a person talks about other people's business, that falls under > the definition of betrayal. > > @@ That would seem to me to be more of a busy body or an error in privacy - not betrayal imho @@ > > > > Yet, I have never met a person who did > that, who did not Also let loose of secrets of their own, which others > used against them. > > @@ This would seem to be based upon the projected idea that betrayal is based (in this case) about talking about anothers business. @@ > > So, is the base of betrayal against the others, or > betrayal against the self? > @@ Betrayal is a personal interpretation of events in a persons life. The angles and shadows of those events, thru the filtrated interpretation of that person, will color the event as a betrayal or not. Sometimes when the energy is burning hot in a person, events that have not been alleviated will come to the fore, these events , though currently not a part of the persons contemporary experience, can intersect and color a persons point of view. Sometimes causing a new and artificial feeling of betrayal. Could this be happening here within the idea that your Kundalini is now running better? @@ > > When a person commits themselves to another, their one true love, > yet, they fantasize about having sex with others, is that betrayal of > their one true love? > > @@ People fantasize. Its part of human nature. Is the fantasy acted upon? Is the other person aware of the fantasies by virtue of pro-active discovery? Is suspicion and subterfuge being injected or is the dialog open and honest? > > The " One true love " idea is maybe not that all else is excluded from thought but the action of that thought is excluded, and perhaps, a greater understanding of the important issues of trust and interest need to be realigned. Just my take on it.@@ > > > > > Wouldn't it be true, that if they Truly loved > their Beloved, that they would not feel the urge to fantasize about > others? > > @@ No. Truth is all people will fantasize about many things that they feel are perhaps beyond their reach. Creating an outlet for creativity over frustration. Acting on those fantasies would be a different matter.@@ > > Is it perhaps a betrayal of themselves, in that they are living > the lie that their Beloved is indeed their Beloved? > > @@ Depends on the contemporary agreements between both of them. @@ > > Does all betrayal begin with betrayal of the self, and denial of > the truths of self? > > @@ Betrayal is born of fear. The fear of loss and the want of gain. Agreements that perhaps need to be modified. Trust is in the balance. Love should always remain. Not the fantasy aspects of teenage love but the real deal. That if you love someone you let them go, if they return then it was never lost if they do not then you have given them the best gift that love can offer - freedom. Just my take - blessings - chrism @@ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 If a person has not cleared past aspects of hurt and anger based in the elements of abandonment then these elements can surface in other areas of life not related to the original problem. - chrism reneedots <reneedots wrote: Chris wrote: " Sometimes when the energy is burning hot in a person, events that have not been alleviated will come to the fore, these events , though currently not a part of the persons contemporary experience, can intersect and color a persons point of view. Sometimes causing a new and artificial feeling of betrayal. Could this be happening here within the idea that your Kundalini is now running better? @@ " ****OK...I've read this three times and am completely confused....can you reword it more simply? , chrism <> wrote: > > Please see below. > > reneedots <reneedots wrote: For consideration: > > When a person talks about other people's business, that falls under > the definition of betrayal. > > @@ That would seem to me to be more of a busy body or an error in privacy - not betrayal imho @@ > > > > Yet, I have never met a person who did > that, who did not Also let loose of secrets of their own, which others > used against them. > > @@ This would seem to be based upon the projected idea that betrayal is based (in this case) about talking about anothers business. @@ > > So, is the base of betrayal against the others, or > betrayal against the self? > @@ Betrayal is a personal interpretation of events in a persons life. The angles and shadows of those events, thru the filtrated interpretation of that person, will color the event as a betrayal or not. Sometimes when the energy is burning hot in a person, events that have not been alleviated will come to the fore, these events , though currently not a part of the persons contemporary experience, can intersect and color a persons point of view. Sometimes causing a new and artificial feeling of betrayal. Could this be happening here within the idea that your Kundalini is now running better? @@ > > When a person commits themselves to another, their one true love, > yet, they fantasize about having sex with others, is that betrayal of > their one true love? > > @@ People fantasize. Its part of human nature. Is the fantasy acted upon? Is the other person aware of the fantasies by virtue of pro-active discovery? Is suspicion and subterfuge being injected or is the dialog open and honest? > > The " One true love " idea is maybe not that all else is excluded from thought but the action of that thought is excluded, and perhaps, a greater understanding of the important issues of trust and interest need to be realigned. Just my take on it.@@ > > > > > Wouldn't it be true, that if they Truly loved > their Beloved, that they would not feel the urge to fantasize about > others? > > @@ No. Truth is all people will fantasize about many things that they feel are perhaps beyond their reach. Creating an outlet for creativity over frustration. Acting on those fantasies would be a different matter.@@ > > Is it perhaps a betrayal of themselves, in that they are living > the lie that their Beloved is indeed their Beloved? > > @@ Depends on the contemporary agreements between both of them. @@ > > Does all betrayal begin with betrayal of the self, and denial of > the truths of self? > > @@ Betrayal is born of fear. The fear of loss and the want of gain. Agreements that perhaps need to be modified. Trust is in the balance. Love should always remain. Not the fantasy aspects of teenage love but the real deal. That if you love someone you let them go, if they return then it was never lost if they do not then you have given them the best gift that love can offer - freedom. Just my take - blessings - chrism @@ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 ......OK, that makes perfect sense, and a fairly astute assessment...restated: if you have a childhood wound of abandonment, it will become a filter thru which future events are viewed. , chrism <> wrote: > > If a person has not cleared past aspects of hurt and anger based in the elements of abandonment then these elements can surface in other areas of life not related to the original problem. - chrism > > reneedots <reneedots wrote: Chris wrote: > " Sometimes when the energy is > burning hot in a person, events that have not been alleviated will > come to the > fore, these events , though currently not a part of the persons > contemporary > experience, can intersect and color a persons point of view. > Sometimes causing a > new and artificial feeling of betrayal. Could this be happening here > within the > idea that your Kundalini is now running better? @@ " > > ****OK...I've read this three times and am completely confused....can > you reword it more simply? > , chrism > <@> wrote: > > > > Please see below. > > > > reneedots <reneedots@> wrote: For consideration: > > > > When a person talks about other people's business, that falls > under > > the definition of betrayal. > > > > @@ That would seem to me to be more of a busy body or an error in > privacy - not betrayal imho @@ > > > > > > > > Yet, I have never met a person who did > > that, who did not Also let loose of secrets of their own, which > others > > used against them. > > > > @@ This would seem to be based upon the projected idea that > betrayal is based (in this case) about talking about anothers > business. @@ > > > > So, is the base of betrayal against the others, or > > betrayal against the self? > > @@ Betrayal is a personal interpretation of events in a persons > life. The angles and shadows of those events, thru the filtrated > interpretation of that person, will color the event as a betrayal or > not. Sometimes when the energy is burning hot in a person, events > that have not been alleviated will come to the fore, these events , > though currently not a part of the persons contemporary experience, > can intersect and color a persons point of view. Sometimes causing a > new and artificial feeling of betrayal. Could this be happening here > within the idea that your Kundalini is now running better? @@ > > > > When a person commits themselves to another, their one true > love, > > yet, they fantasize about having sex with others, is that betrayal > of > > their one true love? > > > > @@ People fantasize. Its part of human nature. Is the fantasy > acted upon? Is the other person aware of the fantasies by virtue of > pro-active discovery? Is suspicion and subterfuge being injected or > is the dialog open and honest? > > > > The " One true love " idea is maybe not that all else is excluded > from thought but the action of that thought is excluded, and perhaps, > a greater understanding of the important issues of trust and interest > need to be realigned. Just my take on it.@@ > > > > > > > > > > Wouldn't it be true, that if they Truly loved > > their Beloved, that they would not feel the urge to fantasize about > > others? > > > > @@ No. Truth is all people will fantasize about many things that > they feel are perhaps beyond their reach. Creating an outlet for > creativity over frustration. Acting on those fantasies would be a > different matter.@@ > > > > Is it perhaps a betrayal of themselves, in that they are living > > the lie that their Beloved is indeed their Beloved? > > > > @@ Depends on the contemporary agreements between both of them. > @@ > > > > Does all betrayal begin with betrayal of the self, and denial > of > > the truths of self? > > > > @@ Betrayal is born of fear. The fear of loss and the want of > gain. Agreements that perhaps need to be modified. Trust is in the > balance. Love should always remain. Not the fantasy aspects of > teenage love but the real deal. That if you love someone you let them > go, if they return then it was never lost if they do not then you > have given them the best gift that love can offer - freedom. Just my > take - blessings - chrism @@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 ......and....Chris wrote: (( " Could this be happening here within the idea that your Kundalini is now running better? @@)) ***I don't understand what this has to do with my K running better. , chrism <> wrote: > > Please see below. > > reneedots <reneedots wrote: For consideration: > > When a person talks about other people's business, that falls under > the definition of betrayal. > > @@ That would seem to me to be more of a busy body or an error in privacy - not betrayal imho @@ > > > > Yet, I have never met a person who did > that, who did not Also let loose of secrets of their own, which others > used against them. > > @@ This would seem to be based upon the projected idea that betrayal is based (in this case) about talking about anothers business. @@ > > So, is the base of betrayal against the others, or > betrayal against the self? > @@ Betrayal is a personal interpretation of events in a persons life. The angles and shadows of those events, thru the filtrated interpretation of that person, will color the event as a betrayal or not. Sometimes when the energy is burning hot in a person, events that have not been alleviated will come to the fore, these events , though currently not a part of the persons contemporary experience, can intersect and color a persons point of view. Sometimes causing a new and artificial feeling of betrayal. Could this be happening here within the idea that your Kundalini is now running better? @@ > > When a person commits themselves to another, their one true love, > yet, they fantasize about having sex with others, is that betrayal of > their one true love? > > @@ People fantasize. Its part of human nature. Is the fantasy acted upon? Is the other person aware of the fantasies by virtue of pro-active discovery? Is suspicion and subterfuge being injected or is the dialog open and honest? > > The " One true love " idea is maybe not that all else is excluded from thought but the action of that thought is excluded, and perhaps, a greater understanding of the important issues of trust and interest need to be realigned. Just my take on it.@@ > > > > > Wouldn't it be true, that if they Truly loved > their Beloved, that they would not feel the urge to fantasize about > others? > > @@ No. Truth is all people will fantasize about many things that they feel are perhaps beyond their reach. Creating an outlet for creativity over frustration. Acting on those fantasies would be a different matter.@@ > > Is it perhaps a betrayal of themselves, in that they are living > the lie that their Beloved is indeed their Beloved? > > @@ Depends on the contemporary agreements between both of them. @@ > > Does all betrayal begin with betrayal of the self, and denial of > the truths of self? > > @@ Betrayal is born of fear. The fear of loss and the want of gain. Agreements that perhaps need to be modified. Trust is in the balance. Love should always remain. Not the fantasy aspects of teenage love but the real deal. That if you love someone you let them go, if they return then it was never lost if they do not then you have given them the best gift that love can offer - freedom. Just my take - blessings - chrism @@ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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