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May 12, 2010

Dear Mr Rosenberg, thank you for your reply. I\'d like to use some

Chinese characters for clarity if that\'s okay? In the UK there seems

to be confusion about what the weather is in terms of ²¡Òò. Of

the Íâ¸Ð the ÁùÒù I\'ve seen described as a collective

term for untimely climatic influences. I\'ve seen it translated as the

six evils, six pathogens, six abnormal climatic changes. However,

isn\'t there a difference between ·ç and ·çÐ° ,º® and

º®Ð°, Êî andÊîÐ° ,Êª andÊªÐ°, Ôï and

ÔïÐ° ,»ð and »ðÐ°, ÈÈ and ÈÈÐ°? Normally

·ç, º® andÊª etc aren\'t harmful and thus not pathogenic

or Ð°. And as the theory goes it is only an untimely appearance or

when in abundance that they become harmful. However, in the UK when I

talk to my colleagues it seems that they conceptualise ·ç , º®

Êî Êª Ôï »ð ÈÈ as ·çÐ° etc. This lack of

clarity or insecurity with theory and terminology seems to have an

effect on how we diagnose and which formulas we apply. I\'m interested

in how other people think about the differences between the

weather/climate and the Íâ¸Ð ÁùÒù, are they the same?

Also, if we are talking about the ÁùÒù how do you conceive of what

happens when they meet the human body, I have an expectation that the

response is heterogeneous? Within medical anthropology there are

commonly held cross cultural folk and lay beliefs surrounding the

interaction of the for want of a better word \'weather\' and illness.

(I can supply interesting examples and the references for this

discourse if you are interested?) I wonder, when patients present with a

condition they attribute to the \'weather\' if they, and we, as Chinese

medicine practitioners are actually talking about the same thing? I\'m

not looking for the essentialist \'answer\' rather the range of

opinions, a dialogue perhaps? Kindest regards, Ashley Brammah

, " crawshawbrammah "

<crawshawbrammah wrote:

>

> Dear Mr Rosenberg,

>

> thank you for your reply.

>

> I'd like to use some Chinese characters for clarity if that's okay?

>

> In the UK there seems to be confusion about what the weather is in

terms of & #30149; & #22240;. Of the & #22806; & #24863; the & #20845; & #28139;

I've seen described as a collective term for untimely climatic

influences. I've seen it translated as the six evils, six pathogens,

six abnormal climatic changes. However, isn't there a difference

between & #39118; and & #39118; & #37034; , & #23506; and & #23506; & #37034;,

& #26257; and & #26257; & #37034; , & #28287; and & #28287; & #37034;, & #29157; and

& #29157; & #37034; , & #28779; and & #28779; & #37034;, & #28909; and

& #28909; & #37034;?

>

> Normally & #39118;, & #23506; and & #28287; etc aren't harmful and thus

not pathogenic or & #37034;. And as the theory goes it is only an

untimely appearance or when in abundance that they become harmful.

However, in the UK when I talk to my colleagues it seems that they

conceptualise & #39118; , & #23506; & #26257; & #28287; & #29157; & #28779;

& #28909; as & #39118; & #37034; etc. This lack of clarity or insecurity

with

> theory and terminology seems to have an effect on how we diagnose and

which formulas we apply.

>

> I'm interested in how other people think about the differences between

the weather/climate and the & #22806; & #24863; & #20845; & #28139;, are they

the same? Also, if we are talking about the & #20845; & #28139; how do you

conceive of what happens when they meet the human body, I have an

expectation that the response is heterogeneous?

>

> Within medical anthropology there are commonly held cross cultural

folk and lay beliefs surrounding the interaction of the for want of a

better word 'weather' and illness. (I can supply interesting examples

and the references for this discourse if you are interested?) I wonder,

when patients present with a condition they attribute to the 'weather'

if they, and we, as Chinese medicine practitioners are actually talking

about the same thing? I'm not looking for the essentialist 'answer'

rather the range of opinions, a dialogue perhaps?

>

> Kindest regards,

>

> Ashley Brammah

>

, zrosenbe@

wrote:

> >

> > All the time. It is an accepted principle in Chinese medicine that

changes in weather can correlate with the development of specific

symptoms in patients. Explaining this would require a very in-depth

discussion. .. . it is a central theme of such texts as the Shang Han

Lun/Treatise on Cold Damage and Wen Bing xue/Warm Disease theory. In

warm disease theory, there is the concept of seasonal diseases that

appear at specific times of year or with changes in weather, such as

wind warmth, spring warmth, summerheat damp, or autumn dryness. .

> >

> > On May 6, 2010, at 5:09 PM, crawshawbrammah wrote:

> >

> > > Have you noticed patients reporting a connection between their

symptoms and the weather, of have you noticed a connection between the

weather and patients reporting of symptoms. How do you understand this

correlation?

> > >

> > > Ashley Brammah

> > >

> >

> > Chair, Department of Herbal Medicine

> > Pacific College of Oriental Medicine

> > San Diego, Ca. 92122

> >

May 12, 2010

much better, thank you. . .

Z'ev

On May 12, 2010, at 12:04 PM, wrote:

> Dear Mr Rosenberg, thank you for your reply. I\'d like to use some

> Chinese characters for clarity if that\'s okay? In the UK there seems

> to be confusion about what the weather is in terms of ç—…å› . Of

> the å¤–æ„Ÿ the å…æ·« I\'ve seen described as a collective

> term for untimely climatic influences. I\'ve seen it translated as the

> six evils, six pathogens, six abnormal climatic changes. However,

> isn\'t there a difference between é£Ž and é£Žé‚ª ,å¯’ and

> å¯’é‚ª, æš‘ andæš‘é‚ª ,æ¹¿ andæ¹¿é‚ª, ç‡¥ and

> ç‡¥é‚ª ,ç« and ç«é‚ª, çƒ and çƒé‚ª? Normally

> é£Ž, å¯’ andæ¹¿ etc aren\'t harmful and thus not pathogenic

> or é‚ª. And as the theory goes it is only an untimely appearance or

> when in abundance that they become harmful. However, in the UK when I

> talk to my colleagues it seems that they conceptualise é£Ž , å¯’

> æš‘ æ¹¿ ç‡¥ ç« çƒ as é£Žé‚ª etc. This lack of

> clarity or insecurity with theory and terminology seems to have an

> effect on how we diagnose and which formulas we apply. I\'m interested

> in how other people think about the differences between the

> weather/climate and the å¤–æ„Ÿ å…æ·«, are they the same?

> Also, if we are talking about the å…æ·« how do you conceive of what

> happens when they meet the human body, I have an expectation that the

> response is heterogeneous? Within medical anthropology there are

> commonly held cross cultural folk and lay beliefs surrounding the

> interaction of the for want of a better word \'weather\' and illness.

> (I can supply interesting examples and the references for this

> discourse if you are interested?) I wonder, when patients present with a

> condition they attribute to the \'weather\' if they, and we, as Chinese

> medicine practitioners are actually talking about the same thing? I\'m

> not looking for the essentialist \'answer\' rather the range of

> opinions, a dialogue perhaps? Kindest regards, Ashley Brammah

> , " crawshawbrammah "

> <crawshawbrammah wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr Rosenberg,

> >

> > thank you for your reply.

> >

> > I'd like to use some Chinese characters for clarity if that's okay?

> >

> > In the UK there seems to be confusion about what the weather is in

> terms of & #30149; & #22240;. Of the & #22806; & #24863; the & #20845; & #28139;

> I've seen described as a collective term for untimely climatic

> influences. I've seen it translated as the six evils, six pathogens,

> six abnormal climatic changes. However, isn't there a difference

> between & #39118; and & #39118; & #37034; , & #23506; and & #23506; & #37034;,

> & #26257; and & #26257; & #37034; , & #28287; and & #28287; & #37034;, & #29157; and

> & #29157; & #37034; , & #28779; and & #28779; & #37034;, & #28909; and

> & #28909; & #37034;?

> >

> > Normally & #39118;, & #23506; and & #28287; etc aren't harmful and thus

> not pathogenic or & #37034;. And as the theory goes it is only an

> untimely appearance or when in abundance that they become harmful.

> However, in the UK when I talk to my colleagues it seems that they

> conceptualise & #39118; , & #23506; & #26257; & #28287; & #29157; & #28779;

> & #28909; as & #39118; & #37034; etc. This lack of clarity or insecurity

> with

> > theory and terminology seems to have an effect on how we diagnose and

> which formulas we apply.

> >

> > I'm interested in how other people think about the differences between

> the weather/climate and the & #22806; & #24863; & #20845; & #28139;, are they

> the same? Also, if we are talking about the & #20845; & #28139; how do you

> conceive of what happens when they meet the human body, I have an

> expectation that the response is heterogeneous?

> >

> > Within medical anthropology there are commonly held cross cultural

> folk and lay beliefs surrounding the interaction of the for want of a

> better word 'weather' and illness. (I can supply interesting examples

> and the references for this discourse if you are interested?) I wonder,

> when patients present with a condition they attribute to the 'weather'

> if they, and we, as Chinese medicine practitioners are actually talking

> about the same thing? I'm not looking for the essentialist 'answer'

> rather the range of opinions, a dialogue perhaps?

> >

> > Kindest regards,

> >

> > Ashley Brammah

> >

> > , zrosenbe@

> wrote:

> > >

> > > All the time. It is an accepted principle in Chinese medicine that

> changes in weather can correlate with the development of specific

> symptoms in patients. Explaining this would require a very in-depth

> discussion. .. . it is a central theme of such texts as the Shang Han

> Lun/Treatise on Cold Damage and Wen Bing xue/Warm Disease theory. In

> warm disease theory, there is the concept of seasonal diseases that

> appear at specific times of year or with changes in weather, such as

> wind warmth, spring warmth, summerheat damp, or autumn dryness. .

> > >

> > > On May 6, 2010, at 5:09 PM, crawshawbrammah wrote:

> > >

> > > > Have you noticed patients reporting a connection between their

> symptoms and the weather, of have you noticed a connection between the

> weather and patients reporting of symptoms. How do you understand this

> correlation?

> > > >

> > > > Ashley Brammah

> > > >

> > >

> > > Chair, Department of Herbal Medicine

> > > Pacific College of Oriental Medicine

> > > San Diego, Ca. 92122

> > >

May 12, 2010

bravo! Now if you can just add he pinyin, I think we could all learn a LOT, a

lot FASTER. Let's get some of that osmosis happenin'!

a

On May 12, 2010, at 3:04 PM, wrote: