Guest guest Report post Posted April 24, 2010 Jen, Thanks for the reply/ FYI. I am curious when one learns Kampo (at this level) do they dissect the formulas and teach the individual ingredients and their relationships, or just talk the formulas a whole? What do other's feel the strengths and weaknesses of Kampo are? -Jason > ---- > jmm752003 > CHA > Re: SHL/JGYL vs TCM > 24 Apr '10 02:09 > > FYI: Tri-state College (NYC) teaches Kampo the first year of herbal school, > while also teaching the individual herbs TCM style. As I am finishing up > herbal aspect of my studies, I have found learning SHL formulas first has > positively influences my TCM formula knowledge. When I'm several years in > herbal practice, I am looking forward to adding my two cents about my > experience of TCM and SHL. > P.S. Thanks for the info regarding pelvic floor needling, I am doing my > research. > Jen > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 24, 2010 There's a piece of the puzzle that's missing: I'm an acu going back to school to learn herbs (in NY state, herbs aren't necessary part of acu education). So, yes, I've learned pattern differentiation, though I learned TCM formula differientation after I learned Kampo formulas. We've learned Kampo according to the Sho: jitsu (excess) or kyo (deficient), Qi or Blood or Body Fluids dysharmony, 6 Stages, etc. Sounds like TCM? In some ways yes, and in some ways no. Since it was the first time meeting the formulas (and individual herbs), we didn't get to dissect them as you are describing. We did spend about 45 minutes on each formula, but that's not enough time to dissect them plus we weren't advanced enough to delve deeply in. The question to me was: Does TCM or Kampo work better, or do they both work? Well, I only have one year of clinical experience at school under my belt, but the answer so far is that they both work; some pt like TCM formulas better and some pt like Kampo formulas better. Things that we have to take into consideration when we change between camps: Kampo has a smaller dosage than TCM (so we can use a stronger formula like Da Chai Hu Tang for a longer period of time); Honso (Kampo) is sweeter and tastes better than SunTen though Honso does have lactose fillers. Happy Spring! Jen Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry " " Sat, 24 Apr 2010 11:26:26 Re: NOW: Kampo Jen, Thanks for the reply/ FYI. I am curious when one learns Kampo (at this level) do they dissect the formulas and teach the individual ingredients and their relationships, or just talk the formulas a whole? What do other's feel the strengths and weaknesses of Kampo are? -Jason > ---- > jmm752003 > CHA > Re: SHL/JGYL vs TCM > 24 Apr '10 02:09 > > FYI: Tri-state College (NYC) teaches Kampo the first year of herbal school, > while also teaching the individual herbs TCM style. As I am finishing up > herbal aspect of my studies, I have found learning SHL formulas first has > positively influences my TCM formula knowledge. When I'm several years in > herbal practice, I am looking forward to adding my two cents about my > experience of TCM and SHL. > P.S. Thanks for the info regarding pelvic floor needling, I am doing my > research. > Jen > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 24, 2010 Jen, Tri-state college has a history of teaching Japanese-style acupuncture " Kiiko style " , so it makes sense that they would also teach kampo. I think that you're lucky to learn both. Kampo traditionally has two main schools... Kohoha and Goseiha http://www.itmonline.org/arts/kampo.htm Which one is Tri-state teaching? In a way, our discussion about sticking to SHZBL formulas or modifiying them is a recycling of the Kohoha vs Goseiha historical discussion. K On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 8:58 AM, <jmm752003 wrote: > > > There's a piece of the puzzle that's missing: I'm an acu going back to > school to learn herbs (in NY state, herbs aren't necessary part of acu > education). So, yes, I've learned pattern differentiation, though I learned > TCM formula differientation after I learned Kampo formulas. > > We've learned Kampo according to the Sho: jitsu (excess) or kyo > (deficient), Qi or Blood or Body Fluids dysharmony, 6 Stages, etc. Sounds > like TCM? In some ways yes, and in some ways no. > > Since it was the first time meeting the formulas (and individual herbs), we > didn't get to dissect them as you are describing. We did spend about 45 > minutes on each formula, but that's not enough time to dissect them plus we > weren't advanced enough to delve deeply in. > > The question to me was: Does TCM or Kampo work better, or do they both > work? Well, I only have one year of clinical experience at school under my > belt, but the answer so far is that they both work; some pt like TCM > formulas better and some pt like Kampo formulas better. Things that we have > to take into consideration when we change between camps: Kampo has a smaller > dosage than TCM (so we can use a stronger formula like Da Chai Hu Tang for a > longer period of time); Honso (Kampo) is sweeter and tastes better than > SunTen though Honso does have lactose fillers. > > Happy Spring! > > Jen > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > > " " <<%40Chinese Medicine> > > > Sat, 24 Apr 2010 11:26:26 > < <%40> > > > Re: NOW: Kampo > > Jen, > > Thanks for the reply/ FYI. I am curious when one learns Kampo (at this > level) do they dissect the formulas and teach the individual ingredients and > their relationships, or just talk the formulas a whole? What do other's feel > the strengths and weaknesses of Kampo are? > > -Jason > > > ---- > > jmm752003 <jmm752003%40> > > CHA < <%40> > > > > Re: SHL/JGYL vs TCM > > 24 Apr '10 02:09 > > > > FYI: Tri-state College (NYC) teaches Kampo the first year of herbal > school, > > while also teaching the individual herbs TCM style. As I am finishing up > > herbal aspect of my studies, I have found learning SHL formulas first has > > positively influences my TCM formula knowledge. When I'm several years in > > herbal practice, I am looking forward to adding my two cents about my > > experience of TCM and SHL. > > P.S. Thanks for the info regarding pelvic floor needling, I am doing my > > research. > > Jen > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2010 As a matter of fact, I do use Kiiko's work as my primary form of acu. I, being the traditional student, don't know which style we are using. I know that we use Otsuka's work. When I go to school on Thurs, I will ask Nigel Dawes (our primary teacher). Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry <johnkokko Sat, 24 Apr 2010 10:12:40 Re: NOW: Kampo Jen, Tri-state college has a history of teaching Japanese-style acupuncture " Kiiko style " , so it makes sense that they would also teach kampo. I think that you're lucky to learn both. Kampo traditionally has two main schools... Kohoha and Goseiha http://www.itmonline.org/arts/kampo.htm Which one is Tri-state teaching? In a way, our discussion about sticking to SHZBL formulas or modifiying them is a recycling of the Kohoha vs Goseiha historical discussion. K Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2010 Found it: we learn Koho-Ha. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry <johnkokko Sat, 24 Apr 2010 10:12:40 Re: NOW: Kampo Jen, Tri-state college has a history of teaching Japanese-style acupuncture " Kiiko style " , so it makes sense that they would also teach kampo. I think that you're lucky to learn both. Kampo traditionally has two main schools... Kohoha and Goseiha http://www.itmonline.org/arts/kampo.htm Which one is Tri-state teaching? In a way, our discussion about sticking to SHZBL formulas or modifiying them is a recycling of the Kohoha vs Goseiha historical discussion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
