electro acupuncture?

[Guest guest]

Continuous

Higher than 30 hts known as dense waves

For nerve stress, pain relief, acupuncture Anastasia, calming sedation, blood

vessel spasms

Lower than 30 hts refraction waves

For wilting pattern, muscle joint injury, ligament injury

 

Alternation from refraction and dense wave’s sensory adaptation

For improves metabolism blood circulation and tissue nutrition, reduce

inflammation, external injury, edema, arthritis, pain, facial paralysis and

muscle weakness

 

Intermittent waves.

Reduces sensory adaptation Have a contractive affect on striated muscles

commonly used for wilting pattern and paralysis.

[Guest guest]

Any good books on electro-acupuncture therapies?

I know that Alon's book has good info. Others?

 

K

 

 

 

On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 9:55 AM, David <healingherbsandpointswrote:

 

>

>

> Continuous

> Higher than 30 hts known as dense waves

> For nerve stress, pain relief, acupuncture Anastasia, calming sedation,

> blood vessel spasms

> Lower than 30 hts refraction waves

> For wilting pattern, muscle joint injury, ligament injury

>

> Alternation from refraction and dense wave’s sensory adaptation

> For improves metabolism blood circulation and tissue nutrition, reduce

> inflammation, external injury, edema, arthritis, pain, facial paralysis and

> muscle weakness

>

> Intermittent waves.

> Reduces sensory adaptation Have a contractive affect on striated muscles

> commonly used for wilting pattern and paralysis.

>

>

>

 

 

 

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www.tcmreview.com

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

_Electro-Acupuncture, Practical Manual and Resource_, by David Mayor

[Guest guest]

that book was poorly written and it not very informative and is over priced

 

--

David Bell L.Ac.

Portland Maine Acupuncture

(207)228-4262

205 concord st Portland Maine 04103

www.portlandmaineacupuncture.com

portlandmaineacupuncture

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thank you for that, David. What EA book do you like?

 

Frances Gander, L.Ac.

> that book was poorly written and it not very informative and is over

> priced

> --

> David Bell L.Ac.

[Guest guest]

I have not found a book I like yet, I own Electro-Acupuncture by David Mayor

although I spent so much on that book I am afraid to buy a different book

because that one was so bad.

Mayors book mostly has examples of research studies that anyone can get off

of the internet and most of the studies are not very good.

 

Maybe someone else knows of a better one that actually explains how to use

acupuncture in the clinic, in a practical manner. showing the difference

between micro current and TENS and so forth?

David Bell L.Ac.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Truth is there is little known about electrostimulation. I used to teach the

whole deal in an hour and even then basically every statement was backed up

with, " but some people will say the opposite " . I spent a number of hours with

someone who knows this stuff inside and out from the engineering, scientific

point of view who says that no way that micro current could be doing anything,

the resistance in the skin is too much. He also dismissed " pumping cords " in the

same way.

There are problems with what constitutes " tonification " and " sedation " - here we

go again with terminology - and how electricity can influence that.

 

And so on....

 

Doug

 

 

, " David Bell Lic.Ac "

<healingherbsandpoints wrote:

>

> I have not found a book I like yet, I own Electro-Acupuncture by David Mayor

> although I spent so much on that book I am afraid to buy a different book

> because that one was so bad.

> Mayors book mostly has examples of research studies that anyone can get off

> of the internet and most of the studies are not very good.

>

> Maybe someone else knows of a better one that actually explains how to use

> acupuncture in the clinic, in a practical manner. showing the difference

> between micro current and TENS and so forth?

> David Bell L.Ac.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I use micro-current with good results both personally as well as on my

patients. I have studied with Darren Starwynn and use his book

Microcurrent Electro Acupuncture which is very practical; it reviews

electromedical principles of physiology, universal laws of energy and

then has a number of sections on treatment techniques, protocols,

using it for diagnostic purposes.

 

Laura Coleson-Schreur, LAc, MAc, RN, MPH

Point Well Taken Acupuncture

5801 Falls Rd

Baltimore, MD 21209

tel: 410-464-0900

fax: 410-464-0600

www.pointwelltaken.net

info

[Guest guest]

Well, there you go. I've heard micro current can't work and others are having

great success.

Is Darren's book available without taking the class?

Doug

 

 

 

, Laura Coleson-Schreur <laura

wrote:

>

> I use micro-current with good results both personally as well as on my

> patients. I have studied with Darren Starwynn and use his book

> Microcurrent Electro Acupuncture which is very practical; it reviews

> electromedical principles of physiology, universal laws of energy and

> then has a number of sections on treatment techniques, protocols,

> using it for diagnostic purposes.

>

> Laura Coleson-Schreur, LAc, MAc, RN, MPH

> Point Well Taken Acupuncture

> 5801 Falls Rd

> Baltimore, MD 21209

> tel: 410-464-0900

> fax: 410-464-0600

> www.pointwelltaken.net

> info

>

[Guest guest]

I haven't used it in 22 years. I used to examine my needles before disposables

took over with a jeweler's glass before and after sterilization, and the needles

used for electrostim had huge dings in the point when compared with other

needles. There were a few studies that claimed that small bits of steel were

left under the skin.

 

I get the same or better results without electricity, so I personally don't see

any need for it. .

 

 

On Apr 19, 2010, at 10:55 AM, wrote:

 

> Truth is there is little known about electrostimulation. I used to teach the

whole deal in an hour and even then basically every statement was backed up

with, " but some people will say the opposite " . I spent a number of hours with

someone who knows this stuff inside and out from the engineering, scientific

point of view who says that no way that micro current could be doing anything,

the resistance in the skin is too much. He also dismissed " pumping cords " in the

same way.

> There are problems with what constitutes " tonification " and " sedation " - here

we go again with terminology - and how electricity can influence that.

>

> And so on....

>

> Doug

>

> , " David Bell Lic.Ac "

<healingherbsandpoints wrote:

> >

> > I have not found a book I like yet, I own Electro-Acupuncture by David Mayor

> > although I spent so much on that book I am afraid to buy a different book

> > because that one was so bad.

> > Mayors book mostly has examples of research studies that anyone can get off

> > of the internet and most of the studies are not very good.

> >

> > Maybe someone else knows of a better one that actually explains how to use

> > acupuncture in the clinic, in a practical manner. showing the difference

> > between micro current and TENS and so forth?

> > David Bell L.Ac.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

You can order it on his website

http://www.vibrationalbeauty.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=49

for $49.95

 

I googled it and found it on Amazon used for $150!

 

I don't use it all the time but for certain conditions I find that it

really helps. I use the Acutron which can connect with needles, but I

just uses the probes and pads so no chance for metal shards in it.

Laura

 

Laura Coleson-Schreur, LAc, MAc, RN, MPH

Point Well Taken Acupuncture

5801 Falls Rd

Baltimore, MD 21209

tel: 410-464-0900

fax: 410-464-0600

www.pointwelltaken.net

info

[Guest guest]

This discussion is shedding light on the issue of electro or not. I

only used e-stim a handful of times in 15 years and with no noted

improvement in results. So I won't be buying any books on that topic,

especially such expensive ones. If some people like it, that's fine.

There are always more roads to choose from.

 

Frances Gander, L.Ac.

[Guest guest]

I have been using EA and Microcurrent with good results. Particularly

microcurrent because patients can use the device at home. Attached is some

of the internet research I have done on the subject.

 

 

 

Enjoy!

 

 

 

Yamin Chehin L.Ac.; Dipl O.M

 

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On Behalf Of Laura

Coleson-Schreur

Monday, April 19, 2010 11:35 AM

 

Re: electro acupuncture?

 

 

 

 

 

I use micro-current with good results both personally as well as on my

patients. I have studied with Darren Starwynn and use his book

Microcurrent Electro Acupuncture which is very practical; it reviews

electromedical principles of physiology, universal laws of energy and

then has a number of sections on treatment techniques, protocols,

using it for diagnostic purposes.

 

Laura Coleson-Schreur, LAc, MAc, RN, MPH

Point Well Taken Acupuncture

5801 Falls Rd

Baltimore, MD 21209

tel: 410-464-0900

fax: 410-464-0600

www.pointwelltaken.net

info <info%40pointwelltaken.net>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I watched a few surgeries done in China wherein they used electro-stim to

over accommodate particular nerves leading to local anesthesia. The use of

the e-stim in conjunction with Western neuroanatomy makes a lot of sense to

me. Worked pretty well in the operating

room<http://www.gancao.net/acupuncture/acupuncture-anesthesia-209>too.

 

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Yamin Chehin L.Ac., Dipl OM <

sanaselena wrote:

 

>

>

> I have been using EA and Microcurrent with good results. Particularly

> microcurrent because patients can use the device at home. Attached is some

> of the internet research I have done on the subject.

>

> Enjoy!

>

> Yamin Chehin L.Ac.; Dipl O.M

>

 

 

--

, DAOM

Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

http://twitter.com/algancao

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Electro-stim works really well for some post-stroke patients,

but I prefer ion pumping cords for most other issues.

I just invested in a MET machine for the RP patient,

based on some recommendations.

 

Alon Marcus' dense and technical book has a lot of information on this

field.

K

 

 

 

 

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Al Stone <al wrote:

 

>

>

> I watched a few surgeries done in China wherein they used electro-stim to

> over accommodate particular nerves leading to local anesthesia. The use of

> the e-stim in conjunction with Western neuroanatomy makes a lot of sense to

> me. Worked pretty well in the operating

> room<http://www.gancao.net/acupuncture/acupuncture-anesthesia-209>too.

>

>

> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Yamin Chehin L.Ac., Dipl OM <

> sanaselena <sanaselena%40gmail.com>> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > I have been using EA and Microcurrent with good results. Particularly

> > microcurrent because patients can use the device at home. Attached is

> some

> > of the internet research I have done on the subject.

> >

> > Enjoy!

> >

> > Yamin Chehin L.Ac.; Dipl O.M

> >

>

> --

> , DAOM

> Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

> http://twitter.com/algancao

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Back in school I saw good results obtained for quite a few patients. However,

no rationale for selecting electro-acupuncture was taught. I used the

algorithms that were taught but without the predicted results. Since then I've

used electricity only for moving stagnation of any kind and with good results.

My experience with the litt. on electro-acupuncture is disappointing. I've

checked out many books but of the multitude of pages on electro-acupuncture

there were none that even discussed it terms of TCM energetics. My jaundiced

attitude about such things caused me to forego three lecture fees. The school

had scheduled a series of classes on electro- acupuncture and I turned the job

down because I only had an hour's worth of stuff to say. But somebody else

squeezed 12 hours out it. Wonder what the engineers in the class thought.

 

I do recall some exceptions though. First was a 20-something man with a 12 inch

long wound with depth was to the bone. The began at about SP 9 and continued to

about SP6. The wound had to be checked,irrigated and redressed three times a

day. Unfortunately, the young man was addicted to opiates. From Gancao.net I

took Al's notes on lower leg anesthesia and buzzed the patient for 30 minutes

prior to the wound care. After the first time he went sleep during the

procedure.

 

A couple of weeks ago I combined electro-acupuncture and scar acupuncture on

the side of a teenage girl's nose. One needle entered at Yintang and pointed at

BL1. The other needle entered at LI20 and pointed at BL1. With electricity

flowing through the area I was able to do the scar work without the patient

moving at all.

 

For some odd reason I had three patients with incompletely healed fractures of

the coccyx in the same month. I found some western research on Medscape.com

concluding that electro-stim speeds formation of bone callus most significantly.

It worked enough for my three ladies. No more rubber donuts for them.

 

 

JOE

[Guest guest]

Joe, Thank you for sharing this with us.  Ditto on my education with e-stem. 

We were also not taught how to use the different frequencies and I would

certainly be grateful for guidance in that area.  Can you tell me what herbs

you used in the wound as part of the wound care.  A case such as that probably

would have been referred out by our supervisors. 

 

 

Warmly

Dianne

 

 

 

 

________________________________

" jlb " <jlb

 

Wed, April 21, 2010 1:03:08 PM

Re: electro acupuncture?

 

 

Back in school I saw good results obtained for quite a few patients. However, no

rationale for selecting electro-acupuncture was taught. I used the algorithms

that were taught but without the predicted results. Since then I've used

electricity only for moving stagnation of any kind and with good results. My

experience with the litt. on electro-acupuncture is disappointing. I've checked

out many books but of the multitude of pages on electro-acupuncture there were

none that even discussed it terms of TCM energetics. My jaundiced attitude about

such things caused me to forego three lecture fees. The school had scheduled a

series of classes on electro- acupuncture and I turned the job down because I

only had an hour's worth of stuff to say. But somebody else squeezed 12 hours

out it. Wonder what the engineers in the class thought.

 

I do recall some exceptions though. First was a 20-something man with a 12 inch

long wound with depth was to the bone. The began at about SP 9 and continued to

about SP6. The wound had to be checked,irrigated and redressed three times a

day. Unfortunately, the young man was addicted to opiates. From Gancao.net I

took Al's notes on lower leg anesthesia and buzzed the patient for 30 minutes

prior to the wound care. After the first time he went sleep during the

procedure.

 

A couple of weeks ago I combined electro-acupuncture and scar acupuncture on the

side of a teenage girl's nose. One needle entered at Yintang and pointed at BL1.

The other needle entered at LI20 and pointed at BL1. With electricity flowing

through the area I was able to do the scar work without the patient moving at

all.

 

For some odd reason I had three patients with incompletely healed fractures of

the coccyx in the same month. I found some western research on Medscape.com

concluding that electro-stim speeds formation of bone callus most significantly.

It worked enough for my three ladies. No more rubber donuts for them.

 

JOE