formula ingredients to patients

[Guest guest]

I am curious about the narration you provide to patients when they

request a list of formula ingredients. I explain the synergy factor and

then they go about looking up every cotton pickin' herb anyway, usually

followed by a gazillion more questions about each one. I would really

appreciate knowing how some of you do the interface here. Thank you.

 

Frances Gander, L.Ac.

Athens, OH

[Guest guest]

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Frances L. Gander <

threetreasures wrote:

 

>

>

> I am curious about the narration you provide to patients when they

> request a list of formula ingredients. I explain the synergy factor and

> then they go about looking up every cotton pickin' herb anyway, usually

> followed by a gazillion more questions about each one. I would really

> appreciate knowing how some of you do the interface here. Thank you.

>

> Frances Gander, L.Ac.

> Athens, OH

>

I think that this question should be restated to " how do you answer

excessive questions? "

 

I don't have a one-size-fits-all answer. Sometimes I try to get the person

to do more research on their own, important thing is to get them to one of

the better sites, though google doesn't always rank them as I would.

 

http://rootdown.us is good.

 

I recognize that patient education is an important part of our job, but the

management of our time and energy is part of our job too.

 

-al.

 

 

--

, DAOM

Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

http://twitter.com/algancao

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I think it helps to point towards a formula first and then explain that the

herbs support the direction of that formula.

Doug

 

, Al Stone <al wrote:

>

> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Frances L. Gander <

> threetreasures wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > I am curious about the narration you provide to patients when they

> > request a list of formula ingredients. I explain the synergy factor and

> > then they go about looking up every cotton pickin' herb anyway, usually

> > followed by a gazillion more questions about each one. I would really

> > appreciate knowing how some of you do the interface here. Thank you.

> >

> > Frances Gander, L.Ac.

> > Athens, OH

> >

> I think that this question should be restated to " how do you answer

> excessive questions? "

>

> I don't have a one-size-fits-all answer. Sometimes I try to get the person

> to do more research on their own, important thing is to get them to one of

> the better sites, though google doesn't always rank them as I would.

>

> http://rootdown.us is good.

>

> I recognize that patient education is an important part of our job, but the

> management of our time and energy is part of our job too.

>

> -al.

>

>

> --

> , DAOM

> Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

> http://twitter.com/algancao

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I write down the herbs in their common english names...

ie.. poria fungus, immature tangerine peel, licorice root etc.

Most of the time, this satisfies their curiosity.

I'm not worried about them trying to make their own formula in Chinatown or

something like that.

If they're going to do the research, they must have some kind of dedication.

 

K

 

 

 

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 1:11 PM, wrote:

 

>

>

> I think it helps to point towards a formula first and then explain that the

> herbs support the direction of that formula.

> Doug

>

>

> --- In

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> Al Stone <al wrote:

> >

> > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Frances L. Gander <

> > threetreasures wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > I am curious about the narration you provide to patients when they

> > > request a list of formula ingredients. I explain the synergy factor and

> > > then they go about looking up every cotton pickin' herb anyway, usually

> > > followed by a gazillion more questions about each one. I would really

> > > appreciate knowing how some of you do the interface here. Thank you.

> > >

> > > Frances Gander, L.Ac.

> > > Athens, OH

> > >

> > I think that this question should be restated to " how do you answer

> > excessive questions? "

> >

> > I don't have a one-size-fits-all answer. Sometimes I try to get the

> person

> > to do more research on their own, important thing is to get them to one

> of

> > the better sites, though google doesn't always rank them as I would.

> >

> > http://rootdown.us is good.

> >

> > I recognize that patient education is an important part of our job, but

> the

> > management of our time and energy is part of our job too.

> >

> > -al.

> >

> >

> > --

> > , DAOM

> > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

> > http://twitter.com/algancao

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

In Hong Kong, we are required by ordiance to supply descriptions to our

patients. Most of the patients don't bother to ask anything about individual

herb as they just want to fix their issues.

 

In your case, I would explain the major herbs to the patient that treats the

major symptoms. I would also ask what are their major concerns: clash with

western mediciations, heavy metal deposits issues, herbal toxicity issues,etc as

long as the time allows. It is part of the patient education they ar entitled to

get.

 

Sung, Yuk-ming

[Guest guest]

As a side note, I often point patients to 'Between Heaven and Earth' by

Beinfield and Korngold and get back to me if they are showing a lot of interest

about what's going on. It is well written for the layperson and often on the

shelf at B & N. Covers the philosophical aspect of things more than the nuts and

bolts, but explaining nuts and bolts to a chef won't be of much use!

Geoff

 

, Al Stone <al wrote:

>

> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Frances L. Gander <

> threetreasures wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > I am curious about the narration you provide to patients when they

> > request a list of formula ingredients. I explain the synergy factor and

> > then they go about looking up every cotton pickin' herb anyway, usually

> > followed by a gazillion more questions about each one. I would really

> > appreciate knowing how some of you do the interface here. Thank you.

> >

> > Frances Gander, L.Ac.

> > Athens, OH

> >

> I think that this question should be restated to " how do you answer

> excessive questions? "

>

> I don't have a one-size-fits-all answer. Sometimes I try to get the person

> to do more research on their own, important thing is to get them to one of

> the better sites, though google doesn't always rank them as I would.

>

> http://rootdown.us is good.

>

> I recognize that patient education is an important part of our job, but the

> management of our time and energy is part of our job too.

>

> -al.

>

>

> --

> , DAOM

> Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

> http://twitter.com/algancao

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Mentioning Between Heaven and Earth may open up a can of worms here. I think

Jason asked about good texts for patients a while ago and I've thought about

since and come up with a few. I can see how its not easy to write a good

consumer level book. For example you need to mention the 5 phases but do you

need to give a lesson in how they work in the different configurations?

 

At issue of BHaEarth is how well does it conform to CM? The Web is often accused

of providing a too neat synopsis of CM as well.

 

so I would recommend for the patient:

 

Voices of Qi - Alex Holland -0962266531- pretty good for an overview....

 

I remember Zhang and Ken Rose's Who Can the Ride the Dragon as being good also.

(Can't find it on the bookshelf now.)

 

Personally I like Restored Harmony - Sephen Sagar - 0 9689488 0 4 alot - it is

aimed at the cancer patient but he does a great job of outlining the Chinese

paradigm without getting hung up on the details.

 

For those who want a lot of information - A History of - Hoizey

and Hoizey 0- 7486 -0429- 4 is quite dense. Obviously not a light read for the

casual patient but good for those who really want to get into it.

, " yingsuke2002 " <ozark.canuck

wrote:

>

 

> As a side note, I often point patients to 'Between Heaven and Earth' by

Beinfield and Korngold and get back to me if they are showing a lot of interest

about what's going on. It is well written for the layperson and often on the

shelf at B & N. Covers the philosophical aspect of things more than the nuts and

bolts, but explaining nuts and bolts to a chef won't be of much use!

> Geoff

>

> , Al Stone <al@> wrote:

> >

> > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Frances L. Gander <

> > threetreasures@> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > I am curious about the narration you provide to patients when they

> > > request a list of formula ingredients. I explain the synergy factor and

> > > then they go about looking up every cotton pickin' herb anyway, usually

> > > followed by a gazillion more questions about each one. I would really

> > > appreciate knowing how some of you do the interface here. Thank you.

> > >

> > > Frances Gander, L.Ac.

> > > Athens, OH

> > >

> > I think that this question should be restated to " how do you answer

> > excessive questions? "

> >

> > I don't have a one-size-fits-all answer. Sometimes I try to get the person

> > to do more research on their own, important thing is to get them to one of

> > the better sites, though google doesn't always rank them as I would.

> >

> > http://rootdown.us is good.

> >

> > I recognize that patient education is an important part of our job, but the

> > management of our time and energy is part of our job too.

> >

> > -al.

> >

> >

> > --

> > , DAOM

> > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

> > http://twitter.com/algancao

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

, " " wrote:

>

> Mentioning Between Heaven and Earth may open up a can of worms here. I think

Jason asked about good texts for patients a while ago and I've thought about

since and come up with a few.

 

There is a new introductory book out by Marnae and Kevin Ergil, published by

Thieme. It is a really fantastic book, suitable for a 101

class but also good as a book for interested patients. I think it is a much

more useful and authentic resource than the Web or Between Heaven and Earth, and

it would be my #1 pick as a beginning textbook or a primer for prospective

students. If students just read this book through before they started school,

the entire caliber of discussion throughout the first year and second year of

school would be much higher.

 

Here is a link to it:

http://bluepoppy.com/cfwebstorefb/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display & product_i\

d=1818

 

or here:

http://www.redwingbooks.com/sku/PocAtlChiMed;jsessionid=53CC337EABFA1657D1A95DE5\

05516DCD

 

Eric Brand

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the suggestions - I'll put them on the list to check out. I hadn't

had any wormy reactions with with the H & E book yet, but I haven't read it at all

in... uh... 14 years. Having it on the shelf at a book store a block away was

the best part and stopped the endless questions. I've become a bit snappy in

the last few years and when I hear the ubiquitous question 'how does Chinese

medicine work?' I just reply back 'how does Western medicine work'. Once the

gears grind to a halt it makes it clear that it isn't a good (succinct) question

to begin with.

 

Geoff

 

, " smilinglotus " <smilinglotus

wrote:

>

>

>

> , " " <taiqi@> wrote:

> >

> > Mentioning Between Heaven and Earth may open up a can of worms here. I think

Jason asked about good texts for patients a while ago and I've