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this is what I have in my computer:

 

XIE HUANG SAN

 

Drain Yellow Powder

 

Shi Gao Gypsum fibrosum 15 g

 

Zhi Zi Fructus Gardeniae jasminoidis 6 g

 

Fang Feng Radix Ledebouriellae sesloidis 12 g

 

Huo Xiang Herba Agastachis 21 g

 

Gan Cao Radix Glycyrrhizae uralensis 9 g

 

 

anyway- also this kind of reminds me of my comment on your blog the other day:

it's like a morph of SHL and Wen bing. is that why you were thinking about it?

 

 

Cara

On Mar 24, 2010, at 1:42 PM, wrote:

 

> I am curious what others use for dosages (or have seen people) for xie huang

> san in decoction form?

>

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Cara,

 

Yes you are right, it does look like a morph between cold damage and warm

disease theory. However, this formula was written centuries before warm

disease theory was developed. I do not use this treatment strategy often,

but here and there I had good success with it. That is, " when there is fire

from constraint, discharge it. " I am wondering how a SHL approach would

address this lurking fire in the spleen. Any ideas?

 

 

-Jason

 

 

 

On Behalf Of cara

 

 

 

anyway- also this kind of reminds me of my comment on your blog the other

day: it's like a morph of SHL and Wen bing. is that why you were thinking

about it?

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lurking fire in the spleen.......hmmmmm

 

I am not an expert in this, but I'll give it a compare and contrast a try: I

think that the SHL would call it stomach fire- or a yang ming organ pattern. I

think the what is interesting to notice about XHS is that the first 2

medicinals, shi gao and zhi zi very cold and draining.

the fang feng is basically a neutral herb and then the huo xiang is warm, and

fragrant and it's action is to transform dampness.

 

in terms of SHL; there are the rxs that harmonize and they combine warm and cold

ingreditents, like ban xia xie xin tang, huang lian tang, etc. but they don't

really contain an aromatic component. so- thinking out loud- the SHL does deal

with different kids of dynamic tension: heat and cold, dampness and dryness, up

and down directionality, but not exactly this dynamic which is to drain and

transform and generate fluids. the closest I can think of is gan can xie xin

tang which would clear heat and moisten. there may be others, but at the moment

it escapes me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cara O

 

On Mar 25, 2010, at 4:46 PM, wrote:

 

> Cara,

>

> Yes you are right, it does look like a morph between cold damage and warm

> disease theory. However, this formula was written centuries before warm

> disease theory was developed. I do not use this treatment strategy often,

> but here and there I had good success with it. That is, " when there is fire

> from constraint, discharge it. " I am wondering how a SHL approach would

> address this lurking fire in the spleen. Any ideas?

>

> -Jason

>

>

>

> On Behalf Of cara

>

> anyway- also this kind of reminds me of my comment on your blog the other

> day: it's like a morph of SHL and Wen bing. is that why you were thinking

> about it?

>

>

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re: shi gao - my SHL teacher has said that the important thing about shi gao

is its acridity, not its coldness. As an acrid and sweet medicinal it

breaks up heat stagnation in the Yang Ming channel pattern, but does not

drain the Yang Ming organ pattern heat like cold and bitter medicinals,

which are downward draining. Bensky's info seems a little confused on this

point.

 

RoseAnne

 

 

 

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 7:42 AM, cara <herbbabe wrote:

 

> lurking fire in the spleen.......hmmmmm

>

> I am not an expert in this, but I'll give it a compare and contrast a

> try: I think that the SHL would call it stomach fire- or a yang ming organ

> pattern. I think the what is interesting to notice about XHS is that the

> first 2 medicinals, shi gao and zhi zi very cold and draining.

> the fang feng is basically a neutral herb and then the huo xiang is warm,

> and fragrant and it's action is to transform dampness.

>

> in terms of SHL; there are the rxs that harmonize and they combine warm and

> cold ingreditents, like ban xia xie xin tang, huang lian tang, etc. but they

> don't really contain an aromatic component. so- thinking out loud- the SHL

> does deal with different kids of dynamic tension: heat and cold, dampness

> and dryness, up and down directionality, but not exactly this dynamic which

> is to drain and transform and generate fluids. the closest I can think of

> is gan can xie xin tang which would clear heat and moisten. there may be

> others, but at the moment it escapes me.

Cara O

>

> On Mar 25, 2010, at 4:46 PM, wrote:

>

> > Cara,

> >

> > Yes you are right, it does look like a morph between cold damage and warm

> > disease theory. However, this formula was written centuries before warm

> > disease theory was developed. I do not use this treatment strategy often,

> > but here and there I had good success with it. That is, " when there is

> fire

> > from constraint, discharge it. " I am wondering how a SHL approach would

> > address this lurking fire in the spleen. Any ideas?

> >

> > -Jason

> >

> >

> >

> > On Behalf Of cara

> >

> > anyway- also this kind of reminds me of my comment on your blog the other

> > day: it's like a morph of SHL and Wen bing. is that why you were thinking

> > about it?

> >

> >

>

>

>

> ---

>

> Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including a

> practitioner's directory and a moderated discussion forum.

>

>

>

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Cara, Jason,

 

The Huang lian in Gan cao xie xin tang is possibly too bitter for addition

into the Xie huang san substitution...

please read pg. 191 Formulas/Strategies 2nd ed. in the comparison with Qing

wei san...

Wang Xu-Gao reasons why Huang lian is not included in the formula.

Xie Huang san does not include bitter and cold medicinals fearing

" its lingering (of the qi dynamic that would further trap the lurking

heat) " .

 

Xie huang san's composition looks like a modification of Bai hu tang (Shi

gao and Gan cao) and Zhi zi dan dou chi tang

with the addition of Fang feng (high dosage) and Huo xiang.

 

There has been controversy about the pungent herbs (Fang feng and Huo xiang)

fanning the fire of the Spleen/Stomach

or gently clearing and dispersing it...

 

What do you all think about Zhu ye shi gao tang as a possible SHL analog in

this context?

 

This Shang han lun formula clears lingering heat from the Yang ming and Tai

yin conformations,

generates fluids and harmonizes the ST....

for " irritability, thirst, parched mouth, lips and throat... "

Ye Tian shi called this " situation where " one fears that although the stove

no longer smokes,

there is still fire within the ashes. " (pg. 156 Formulas/Strategies 2nd ed)

 

Zhu ye, Shi gao, Ren shen, Mai men dong, Zhi ban xia, Zhi gan cao, Jing mi

 

Instead of Zhi zi, clearing heat from the San jiao and HT through the SI,

there is Zhu ye/ Dan zhu ye,

which has a similar function as a diuretic that expels heat through the

SI/UB.

The rest of the herbs generate fluids and protect the middle jiao.

 

The major difference that I see is the addition of Fang feng and Huo xiang

in Xie huang san.

 

The question is... are these completely necessary? This is the major

debate.

 

The author of Xie huang san (Qian Yi) was the great pediatrician who also

formulated Liu wei di huang wan.

 

Xie huang san was formulated for children and Zhu ye shi gao tang has also

been used for " excess heat in the ST

that is accompanied by injury to the Qi and yin. Fine Formulas of Wonderful

Efficacy states that it treats

" children who are deficient, severely emaciated, and have sparse Qi, where

the Qi rebels causing a desire to vomit,

and the four extremities are restless and the body hot " . Ye Tian-Shi in

Master Ye's Patterns and Treatments

in Women's Diseases, indicates its use for " irritability and thirst in

pregnancy due to excess fire in the stomach channel "

(pg. 157 Formulas/Strategies 2nd ed.)

 

Jason, I'm interested in what you think about Jia jian zhu ye shi gao tang?

Source: Formula based on the experience of Ding Gan-Ren (1927) pg. 157

ibid.

 

This formula is named after Zhu ye shi gao tang, but only retains Zhu ye,

Shi gao and Gan cao.

Here, I can definitely see how this could be a functional modification of

the original SHL formula,

without sticking completely to all of the ingredients.

 

K

 

 

 

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 4:42 AM, cara <herbbabe wrote:

 

> lurking fire in the spleen.......hmmmmm

>

> I am not an expert in this, but I'll give it a compare and contrast a

> try: I think that the SHL would call it stomach fire- or a yang ming organ

> pattern. I think the what is interesting to notice about XHS is that the

> first 2 medicinals, shi gao and zhi zi very cold and draining.

> the fang feng is basically a neutral herb and then the huo xiang is warm,

> and fragrant and it's action is to transform dampness.

>

> in terms of SHL; there are the rxs that harmonize and they combine warm and

> cold ingreditents, like ban xia xie xin tang, huang lian tang, etc. but they

> don't really contain an aromatic component. so- thinking out loud- the SHL

> does deal with different kids of dynamic tension: heat and cold, dampness

> and dryness, up and down directionality, but not exactly this dynamic which

> is to drain and transform and generate fluids. the closest I can think of

> is gan can xie xin tang which would clear heat and moisten. there may be

> others, but at the moment it escapes me.

Cara O

>

> On Mar 25, 2010, at 4:46 PM, wrote:

>

> > Cara,

> >

> > Yes you are right, it does look like a morph between cold damage and warm

> > disease theory. However, this formula was written centuries before warm

> > disease theory was developed. I do not use this treatment strategy often,

> > but here and there I had good success with it. That is, " when there is

> fire

> > from constraint, discharge it. " I am wondering how a SHL approach would

> > address this lurking fire in the spleen. Any ideas?

> >

> > -Jason

> >

> >

> >

> > On Behalf Of cara

> >

> > anyway- also this kind of reminds me of my comment on your blog the other

> > day: it's like a morph of SHL and Wen bing. is that why you were thinking

> > about it?

> >

> >

>

>

>

> ---

>

> Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including a

> practitioner's directory and a moderated discussion forum.

>

>

>

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Sure! I assume you are referring to the inclusion of hou po in the rx? I sent

this mornings email when i was trying to get my son off to school, so it wasn't

that well thought out.

but ZZj does use hou po frequently and the zhi shi descends the qi.

Here's the ingredients:

 

Zhi Shi Fructus Citri aurantii immaturus

 

Xie Bai Bulbus Allii

 

Gui Zhi Ramulus Cinnamomi cassiae

 

Gua Lou Fructus Trichosanthis

 

Hou Po Cortex Magnoliae officinalis

 

so it's clear that the rx is regulating the qi. but i dont think it address

Jason's question of treating heat in the spleen.

 

in fact, this formula is warm. but it does have a kind of nice geometry to it

with it's multi-directionality.

 

One significant sign that i rely on when choosing between a shl and wen bing

strategy is the coating on the tongue. if it's thicker, then I think often will

think of wen bing rx's because they include these groups of aromatic, damp

transforming, MW regulating herbs.

 

how do others think about this?

 

Cara

 

On Mar 26, 2010, at 11:46 AM, alon marcus wrote:

 

> Cara

> what about Zhishi xia bai guizhi tang

>

>

> 400 29th St. Suite 419

> Oakland Ca 94609

>

>

>

> alonmarcus

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I'm not sure if there is any debate around the inclusion of huo xiang in the

formula, it seems fairly important to me. Who says that it is not necessary?

As for fang feng the real debate surrounds the dosage and not so much if it

is necessary.

 

 

 

In regard to lurking fire in the spleen and feng feng, “if the condition is

treated simply as a case of Stomach fire to be cleared and drained, and the

dispersing action of this herb is omitted, there will be no improvement.”

 

 

 

Thanks for pointing out Modified Lophatherum and Gypsum Decoction (jiä jiân

zhú yè shí gäo tang), this is a very interesting formula that is very

similar to xie huang san. It is more dispersing/discharging as compared to

zhu ye shi gao tang, which really does not have this action.

 

 

 

Therefore, I would definitely choose Ding Gan-Ren’s formula idea over zhu ye

shi gao tang.

 

 

 

 

 

My 2 cents…

 

 

 

-Jason

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of

 

 

 

 

The major difference that I see is the addition of Fang feng and Huo xiang

in Xie huang san.

 

The question is... are these completely necessary? This is the major

debate.

 

The author of Xie huang san (Qian Yi) was the great pediatrician who also

formulated Liu wei di huang wan.

 

Xie huang san was formulated for children and Zhu ye shi gao tang has also

been used for " excess heat in the ST

that is accompanied by injury to the Qi and yin. Fine Formulas of Wonderful

Efficacy states that it treats

" children who are deficient, severely emaciated, and have sparse Qi, where

the Qi rebels causing a desire to vomit,

and the four extremities are restless and the body hot " . Ye Tian-Shi in

Master Ye's Patterns and Treatments

in Women's Diseases, indicates its use for " irritability and thirst in

pregnancy due to excess fire in the stomach channel "

(pg. 157 Formulas/Strategies 2nd ed.)

 

Jason, I'm interested in what you think about Jia jian zhu ye shi gao tang?

Source: Formula based on the experience of Ding Gan-Ren (1927) pg. 157

ibid.

 

This formula is named after Zhu ye shi gao tang, but only retains Zhu ye,

Shi gao and Gan cao.

Here, I can definitely see how this could be a functional modification of

the original SHL formula,

without sticking completely to all of the ingredients.

 

K

 

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<herbbabe%40verizon.net> > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

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ZYSGT is basically mai men dong tang with the addition of shi gao and Zhu Ye and

omitting the dates.

 

I think: in the context of the original question about Spleen heat, this

formula might be a close match: it addresses heat, thirst and overall dryness,

all of which can be sx of spleen heat. But still- it doesn't contain an aromatic

component, and so it's mechanism is different.

 

I think you were in Sf with me last year studying with Huang when I asked him

about this rx. he considers this to be a formula to be used to improve the

constitution after fever or radiation or chemo, when there is still a low grade

fever.

 

I think what would be productive is for us to define when we would choose a SHL

rx and when we would choose a wen bing rx: what signs and symptoms do we need to

focus on to choose the correct treatment strategy?

 

One obvious difference for these 2 formulas is that, besides feverishness,

ZYSGT will be more effective for vexation/agitation ( for those of you who know

my work, you know I have been preoccupied with this for the past year).

 

Cara

On Mar 26, 2010, at 10:47 AM, wrote:

 

> Cara, Jason,

>

> The Huang lian in Gan cao xie xin tang is possibly too bitter for addition

> into the Xie huang san substitution...

> please read pg. 191 Formulas/Strategies 2nd ed. in the comparison with Qing

> wei san...

> Wang Xu-Gao reasons why Huang lian is not included in the formula.

> Xie Huang san does not include bitter and cold medicinals fearing

> " its lingering (of the qi dynamic that would further trap the lurking

> heat) " .

>

> Xie huang san's composition looks like a modification of Bai hu tang (Shi

> gao and Gan cao) and Zhi zi dan dou chi tang

> with the addition of Fang feng (high dosage) and Huo xiang.

>

> There has been controversy about the pungent herbs (Fang feng and Huo xiang)

> fanning the fire of the Spleen/Stomach

> or gently clearing and dispersing it...

>

> What do you all think about Zhu ye shi gao tang as a possible SHL analog in

> this context?

>

> This Shang han lun formula clears lingering heat from the Yang ming and Tai

> yin conformations,

> generates fluids and harmonizes the ST....

> for " irritability, thirst, parched mouth, lips and throat... "

> Ye Tian shi called this " situation where " one fears that although the stove

> no longer smokes,

> there is still fire within the ashes. " (pg. 156 Formulas/Strategies 2nd ed)

>

> Zhu ye, Shi gao, Ren shen, Mai men dong, Zhi ban xia, Zhi gan cao, Jing mi

>

> Instead of Zhi zi, clearing heat from the San jiao and HT through the SI,

> there is Zhu ye/ Dan zhu ye,

> which has a similar function as a diuretic that expels heat through the

> SI/UB.

> The rest of the herbs generate fluids and protect the middle jiao.

>

> The major difference that I see is the addition of Fang feng and Huo xiang

> in Xie huang san.

>

> The question is... are these completely necessary? This is the major

> debate.

>

> The author of Xie huang san (Qian Yi) was the great pediatrician who also

> formulated Liu wei di huang wan.

>

> Xie huang san was formulated for children and Zhu ye shi gao tang has also

> been used for " excess heat in the ST

> that is accompanied by injury to the Qi and yin. Fine Formulas of Wonderful

> Efficacy states that it treats

> " children who are deficient, severely emaciated, and have sparse Qi, where

> the Qi rebels causing a desire to vomit,

> and the four extremities are restless and the body hot " . Ye Tian-Shi in

> Master Ye's Patterns and Treatments

> in Women's Diseases, indicates its use for " irritability and thirst in

> pregnancy due to excess fire in the stomach channel "

> (pg. 157 Formulas/Strategies 2nd ed.)

>

> Jason, I'm interested in what you think about Jia jian zhu ye shi gao tang?

> Source: Formula based on the experience of Ding Gan-Ren (1927) pg. 157

> ibid.

>

> This formula is named after Zhu ye shi gao tang, but only retains Zhu ye,

> Shi gao and Gan cao.

> Here, I can definitely see how this could be a functional modification of

> the original SHL formula,

> without sticking completely to all of the ingredients.

>

> K

>

> On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 4:42 AM, cara <herbbabe wrote:

>

> > lurking fire in the spleen.......hmmmmm

> >

> > I am not an expert in this, but I'll give it a compare and contrast a

> > try: I think that the SHL would call it stomach fire- or a yang ming organ

> > pattern. I think the what is interesting to notice about XHS is that the

> > first 2 medicinals, shi gao and zhi zi very cold and draining.

> > the fang feng is basically a neutral herb and then the huo xiang is warm,

> > and fragrant and it's action is to transform dampness.

> >

> > in terms of SHL; there are the rxs that harmonize and they combine warm and

> > cold ingreditents, like ban xia xie xin tang, huang lian tang, etc. but they

> > don't really contain an aromatic component. so- thinking out loud- the SHL

> > does deal with different kids of dynamic tension: heat and cold, dampness

> > and dryness, up and down directionality, but not exactly this dynamic which

> > is to drain and transform and generate fluids. the closest I can think of

> > is gan can xie xin tang which would clear heat and moisten. there may be

> > others, but at the moment it escapes me.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Cara O

> >

> > On Mar 25, 2010, at 4:46 PM, wrote:

> >

> > > Cara,

> > >

> > > Yes you are right, it does look like a morph between cold damage and warm

> > > disease theory. However, this formula was written centuries before warm

> > > disease theory was developed. I do not use this treatment strategy often,

> > > but here and there I had good success with it. That is, " when there is

> > fire

> > > from constraint, discharge it. " I am wondering how a SHL approach would

> > > address this lurking fire in the spleen. Any ideas?

> > >

> > > -Jason

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On Behalf Of cara

> > >

> > > anyway- also this kind of reminds me of my comment on your blog the other

> > > day: it's like a morph of SHL and Wen bing. is that why you were thinking

> > > about it?

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---

> >

> > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including a

> > practitioner's directory and a moderated discussion forum.

> >

> >

> >

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Alon,

 

 

 

Are we talking about Unripe Bitter Orange, Chinese Garlic, and Cinnamon Twig

Decoction (zhî shí xiè bái gùi zhï tang)? If so, as far as my understanding

goes this is a pattern of yang deficiency. For this type of pattern ZZJ

often used the herbal pair gua lou and xie bai – (which appears in many

formulas for similar patterns in the JGYL). These two work together to open

the chest by unblocking the yang. Although gua lou is cold it is not there

to clear heat (this is a yang xu pattern) it works to work WITH xie bai (to

open). Gua lou is also important is expelling phlegm.

 

 

 

Hence I do not see this formula similar to xie huang san, but would love to

hear more…

 

 

 

I would like to hear more why you think gua lou’s main function is to clear

heat in this formula. IMO, if this was the main function he would choose

something like huang qin.

 

 

 

-Jason

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of alon marcus

Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:05 AM

 

Re: Xie Huang San

 

 

 

 

 

Gua lou clears heat that it its main function in this Rx

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Yes, Huang qin for venting heat...

Huang Huang describes 3 levels of Huang qin combinations for this in

" Clinical Application of 50 Medicinals " pg. 280

 

1. Heat accumulation in the Qi level, use with Chai hu.. ie. Xiao chai hu

tang, Da chai hu tang,

Chai hu gui zhi gan jiang tang and Chai hu gui zhi tang

 

2. Heat accumulation in the Blood level, use with Shao yao... Gui zhi Chai

hu tang, Huang qin tang,

Da chai hu tang, Huang lian e jiao tang, Bie jia jian wan, Da huang zhe

chong wan, Ben tun tang,

Wang bu liu xing san, Dang gui san

 

3. Damp-heat obstructing the Center, use with Huang lian...

Xie xin tang formulas, Ge gen huang qin huang lian tang, Gan jiang huang qin

huang lian ren shen tang,

Huang lian e jiao tang

 

What about Chai hu? any others in the Shang han lun?

Most pungent herbs fan fire for shang han...

How do you see heat being vented other than purging and through urination?

Sweat?

Ma huang opens pores in the Tai yin, is this considered heat ventilation?

Is Shi gao really pungent? (Cara)

 

Cara, I didn't go to Huang Huang's SF seminar. I've been doing Arnaud

Versluys' 1.5 year program

and reading both of Huang Huang's books.

 

K

 

 

 

 

On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 1:06 PM, <

> wrote:

 

>

>

> Alon,

>

> Are we talking about Unripe Bitter Orange, Chinese Garlic, and Cinnamon

> Twig

> Decoction (zhî shí xiè bái gùi zhï tang)? If so, as far as my understanding

> goes this is a pattern of yang deficiency. For this type of pattern ZZJ

> often used the herbal pair gua lou and xie bai – (which appears in many

> formulas for similar patterns in the JGYL). These two work together to open

> the chest by unblocking the yang. Although gua lou is cold it is not there

> to clear heat (this is a yang xu pattern) it works to work WITH xie bai (to

> open). Gua lou is also important is expelling phlegm.

>

> Hence I do not see this formula similar to xie huang san, but would love to

> hear more…

>

> I would like to hear more why you think gua lou’s main function is to clear

> heat in this formula. IMO, if this was the main function he would choose

> something like huang qin.

>

> -Jason

>

> <%40>

>

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]

> On Behalf Of alon marcus

> Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:05 AM

> <%40>

> Re: Xie Huang San

>

>

> Gua lou clears heat that it its main function in this Rx

>

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This is funny, I can't seem to find this material that you present below in the

Chinese version of the book. Did anyone else find it?

 

I agree with Cara, IMO, Huang Qin does not vent, and I would like to see where

Huang Huang or someone else says this. Vent (or Wiseman's thrust out(ward)) is a

translation ofé€ (tou4). If this book actually says this, I assume it is a

translational issue. That is why I was looking in the Chinese version.

 

Yes shi gao is acrid and vents... " dispersing to vent to the exterior

and release the muscle layer "

 

-Jason

 

 

 

On Behalf Of

Saturday, March 27, 2010 3:01 PM

 

Re: Re: Xie Huang San

 

Yes, Huang qin for venting heat...

Huang Huang describes 3 levels of Huang qin combinations for this in

" Clinical Application of 50 Medicinals " pg. 280

 

1. Heat accumulation in the Qi level, use with Chai hu.. ie. Xiao chai hu

tang, Da chai hu tang,

Chai hu gui zhi gan jiang tang and Chai hu gui zhi tang

 

2. Heat accumulation in the Blood level, use with Shao yao... Gui zhi Chai

hu tang, Huang qin tang,

Da chai hu tang, Huang lian e jiao tang, Bie jia jian wan, Da huang zhe

chong wan, Ben tun tang,

Wang bu liu xing san, Dang gui san

 

3. Damp-heat obstructing the Center, use with Huang lian...

Xie xin tang formulas, Ge gen huang qin huang lian tang, Gan jiang huang qin

huang lian ren shen tang,

Huang lian e jiao tang

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I lost thread somewhere, did not realize we were talking about xie

huang san

 

 

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oops, i thought we were talking about aromatic and bitter combinations

 

 

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Jason and Cara,

my correction....not vent heat, but treat " vexing heat " .

pg. 276

" Clnical Application of 50 Medicinals " 3rd edition. Huang Huang. PMPH

copyright 2008

 

" Huang qin mainly treats vexing heat with bleeding, heat diarrhea, heat

stuffiness,

and heat impediment. Vexing heat is a subjective experience of heat which

is difficult to relieve. "

 

For the quote about Huang qin in relation to Chai hu, Shao yao and Huang

lian,

that's on pgs. 280-281

 

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right! now it makes sense.

 

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On Mar 28, 2010, at 12:24 PM, wrote:

 

> Jason and Cara,

> my correction....not vent heat, but treat " vexing heat " .

> pg. 276

> " Clnical Application of 50 Medicinals " 3rd edition. Huang Huang. PMPH

> copyright 2008

>

> " Huang qin mainly treats vexing heat with bleeding, heat diarrhea, heat

> stuffiness,

> and heat impediment. Vexing heat is a subjective experience of heat which

> is difficult to relieve. "

>

> For the quote about Huang qin in relation to Chai hu, Shao yao and Huang

> lian,

> that's on pgs. 280-281

>

> K

>

>

>

> ""

>

>

> www.tcmreview.com

>

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