Yunnan Bai Yao Safety?

[Guest guest]

Can anyone comment on using Yunnan Bai Yao while breastfeeding? Is it safe for

the child?

[Guest guest]

You mean if the kid eats it?

 

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:12 AM, znelms <znelms wrote:

 

>

>

> Can anyone comment on using Yunnan Bai Yao while breastfeeding? Is it safe

> for the child?

>

>

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I mean, does it pose any toxicity issues for a newborn child if a nursing mother

takes it?

Since the ingredients are somewhat mysterious, does anybody have experience

using it in this kind of situation?

 

Zach

[Guest guest]

From the standpoint of personal safety, I would use it on myself.

From a legal standpoint, I would not use it...since the ingredients are not

fully known.

Instead, consider using a formula containing Radix Notoginseng/San Qi and follow

the cautions and contraindications of that/those herbs.

 

Derek Owen Doss, L.Ac., Dipl.O.M.

 

 

, " znelms " <znelms wrote:

>

> Can anyone comment on using Yunnan Bai Yao while breastfeeding? Is it safe

for the child?

>

[Guest guest]

What would be the indication for giving it to the mother of a newborn? There

are plenty of classic formulas to resolve post partum bleeding that have no

contraindications to a newborn. Sheng Hua Tang is the first one that comes to

mind...

 

 

 

, " znelms " <znelms wrote:

>

> I mean, does it pose any toxicity issues for a newborn child if a nursing

mother takes it?

> Since the ingredients are somewhat mysterious, does anybody have experience

using it in this kind of situation?

>

> Zach

>

[Guest guest]

The ingredients to Yunnan Pai Yao are listed now...

which company are you using?

 

K

 

 

 

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Derek Owen Doss <derekodosswrote:

 

>

>

> From the standpoint of personal safety, I would use it on myself.

> From a legal standpoint, I would not use it...since the ingredients are not

> fully known.

> Instead, consider using a formula containing Radix Notoginseng/San Qi and

> follow the cautions and contraindications of that/those herbs.

>

> Derek Owen Doss, L.Ac., Dipl.O.M.

>

>

> --- In

<%40>,

> " znelms " <znelms wrote:

> >

> > Can anyone comment on using Yunnan Bai Yao while breastfeeding? Is it

> safe for the child?

> >

>

>

>

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

, <johnkokko wrote:

>

> The ingredients to Yunnan Pai Yao are listed now...

> which company are you using?

 

The ingredients listed aren't the real ingredients, they are just jumping

through the hoops to slide under the FDA radar. Actually, contrary to popular

belief, the main ingredient isn't even San Qi.

 

Eric

[Guest guest]

Not San qi??? wow.

That's an uncomfortable feeling, those scales falling off the

eyes...sort of like contact lenses cracking... :-(

ann

 

On Mar 11, 2010, at 4:47 PM, smilinglotus wrote:

 

>

>

> ,

> <johnkokko wrote:

> >

> > The ingredients to Yunnan Pai Yao are listed now...

> > which company are you using?

>

> The ingredients listed aren't the real ingredients, they are just

> jumping through the hoops to slide under the FDA radar. Actually,

> contrary to popular belief, the main ingredient isn't even San Qi.

>

> Eric

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Just out of curiosity, Leon Hammer related to me on several occasions Dr. John

Shen's story regarding the history of Yunan Bai Yao. Supposedly, the original

man who wrote the formula had followed many injured animals through the forest

to observe what herbs they ate in an attempt to heal and so constructed a

complex formula. The Chinese communists tortured the family who knew the formula

into relinquishing it but they gave the formula only partially.

 

I'm wondering if anyone has any notion if any part of this story is true. I have

no opinion but use the formula often and would like to know anything about it's

history I could find out.

[Guest guest]

So what is the main ingredient?

 Joey Bedrosian

704-578-6245

nrgcreator

 

 

live long & love strong

 

 

 

 

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smilinglotus <smilinglotus

 

Thu, March 11, 2010 4:47:50 PM

Re: Yunnan Bai Yao Safety?

 

 

 

 

, <johnkokko@. ..> wrote:

>

> Theto Yunnan Pai Yao are listed now...

> which company are you using?

 

The ingredients listed aren't the real ingredients, they are just jumping

through the hoops to slide under the FDA radar. Actually, contrary to popular

belief, the main ingredient isn't even San Qi.

 

Eric

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Eric,

 

Qi Li San is given for all kinds of injuries. Therefore, I suspect that it

provided the inspiration for Yunnan Bai Yao.

 

If you would rather not discuss this further in an open forum, please send me an

email.

 

With dignity and honor,

Robert Asbridge

 

 

 

, " smilinglotus " <smilinglotus

wrote:

>

>

>

> , <johnkokko@> wrote:

> >

> > The ingredients to Yunnan Pai Yao are listed now...

> > which company are you using?

>

> The ingredients listed aren't the real ingredients, they are just jumping

through the hoops to slide under the FDA radar. Actually, contrary to popular

belief, the main ingredient isn't even San Qi.

>

> Eric

>

[Guest guest]

Now we need a thread called " What The Heck is Up with Yunnan Baiyao? "

Any further info that you could provide Eric would be appreciated.

For example, are you saying there has been some kind of chemical assay to

establish the relative dearth of San Qi in the formula...

 

Thank you,

D.O.D.

 

, " starguard_1 " <starguard_1

wrote:

>

> Eric,

>

> Qi Li San is given for all kinds of injuries. Therefore, I suspect that it

provided the inspiration for Yunnan Bai Yao.

>

> If you would rather not discuss this further in an open forum, please send me

an email.

>

> With dignity and honor,

> Robert Asbridge

>

>

>

> , " smilinglotus " <smilinglotus@>

wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > , <johnkokko@> wrote:

> > >

> > > The ingredients to Yunnan Pai Yao are listed now...

> > > which company are you using?

> >

> > The ingredients listed aren't the real ingredients, they are just jumping

through the hoops to slide under the FDA radar. Actually, contrary to popular

belief, the main ingredient isn't even San Qi.

> >

> > Eric

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks everyone for commenting.

I went with another formula already.

Zach

[Guest guest]

When I worked at a major herb company a few years ago, for a few months we

were out of Yunnan pai yao,

so we suggested that people take the unprocessed San Qi capsules (50%

concentrated powder/ 50% raw powder) instead.

The feedback was that the San qi caps worked just as good as YPY.

Mainly vets use a lot of this formula for horses hooves bleeding etc.

 

K

 

 

 

 

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Derek Owen Doss <derekodosswrote:

 

>

>

> Now we need a thread called " What The Heck is Up with Yunnan Baiyao? "

> Any further info that you could provide Eric would be appreciated.

> For example, are you saying there has been some kind of chemical assay to

> establish the relative dearth of San Qi in the formula...

>

> Thank you,

> D.O.D.

>

>

> --- In

<%40>,

> " starguard_1 " <starguard_1 wrote:

> >

> > Eric,

> >

> > Qi Li San is given for all kinds of injuries. Therefore, I suspect that

> it provided the inspiration for Yunnan Bai Yao.

> >

> > If you would rather not discuss this further in an open forum, please

> send me an email.

> >

> > With dignity and honor,

> > Robert Asbridge

> >

> >

> >

> > --- In

<%40>,

> " smilinglotus " <smilinglotus@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In

<%40>,

> <johnkokko@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > The ingredients to Yunnan Pai Yao are listed now...

> > > > which company are you using?

> > >

> > > The ingredients listed aren't the real ingredients, they are just

> jumping through the hoops to slide under the FDA radar. Actually, contrary

> to popular belief, the main ingredient isn't even San Qi.

> > >

> > > Eric

> > >

> >

>

>

>

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

, " Derek Owen Doss " <derekodoss

wrote:

> Now we need a thread called " What The Heck is Up with Yunnan Baiyao? "

> Any further info that you could provide Eric would be appreciated.

> For example, are you saying there has been some kind of chemical assay to

establish the relative dearth of San Qi in the formula...

> , " starguard_1 " <starguard_1@> wrote:

> > Eric,

> > Qi Li San is given for all kinds of injuries. Therefore, I suspect that it

provided the inspiration for Yunnan Bai Yao.

 

One of my teachers from Hong Kong did extensive research on the chemistry and

composition of Yunnan Baiyao. The formulation of Yunnan Baiyao is a protected

secret so it isn't really appropriate for me to discuss his research results on

a public forum like CHA. However, suffice to say that San Qi is not its main

ingredient, and it isn't related to Qi Li San. Of course, San Qi powder can be

used on its own for bleeding just like Yunnan Baiyao, but San Qi and Yunnan

Baiyao are not interchangeable.

 

Yunnan Baiyao used to be a local medicine that relied on a family recipe from

Yunnan province, and it is believed to contain a variety of local medicinals

beyond the standard Chinese herbs common in international commerce. One of its

main ingredients is something that we are familiar with but it is likely that it

has other active ingredients that are more obscure. I'm sorry that I can't say

more about it but it wouldn't be respectful of my teacher's work to go blabbing

about it, and I don't know all the details myself in the first place.

 

Eric Brand

[Guest guest]

Eric,

there are a lot of fakes out there, but one was very popular until a few

years ago,

when the official company sued it and took it off the market in the U.S.

Does anyone remember the name of it? It had pink colored writing, instead

of blue.

 

The official one is:

Yunnan Bai Yao Capsules - small

Yunnan Bai Yao

 

 

 

Standard Dosage:

1-2 capsules 4 x day. Use topically or internally for trauma

 

Ingredients:

Proprietary formula, Panax notoginseng root, Ajuga forrestii herb, Dioscorea

opposita rhizome, Dioscorea nipponica root, Erodium stephanianum herb,

Dioscorea parviflora rhizome, Inula cappa herb. - ingredients undisclosed.,

Tian san qi, San yu cao, Shan yao, Chuan shan long, Lao guan cao, Ku liang

jiang, Bai niu dan.

 

Cautions & Contraindications:

Contraindicated during pregnancy.

 

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/english/200110/19/eng20011019_82703.html

 

Is the primary ingredient Shan yao?

That would make sense, because it's a less expensive ingredient and is still

astringent.

San Qi is quite expensive.

 

K

 

 

 

On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 1:53 PM, smilinglotus <smilinglotuswrote:

 

>

>

> --- In

<%40>,

> " Derek Owen Doss " <derekodoss wrote:

> > Now we need a thread called " What The Heck is Up with Yunnan Baiyao? "

> > Any further info that you could provide Eric would be appreciated.

> > For example, are you saying there has been some kind of chemical assay to

> establish the relative dearth of San Qi in the formula...

> > --- In

<%40>,

> " starguard_1 " <starguard_1@> wrote:

> > > Eric,

> > > Qi Li San is given for all kinds of injuries. Therefore, I suspect that

> it provided the inspiration for Yunnan Bai Yao.

>

> One of my teachers from Hong Kong did extensive research on the chemistry

> and composition of Yunnan Baiyao. The formulation of Yunnan Baiyao is a

> protected secret so it isn't really appropriate for me to discuss his

> research results on a public forum like CHA. However, suffice to say that

> San Qi is not its main ingredient, and it isn't related to Qi Li San. Of

> course, San Qi powder can be used on its own for bleeding just like Yunnan

> Baiyao, but San Qi and Yunnan Baiyao are not interchangeable.

>

> Yunnan Baiyao used to be a local medicine that relied on a family recipe

> from Yunnan province, and it is believed to contain a variety of local

> medicinals beyond the standard Chinese herbs common in international

> commerce. One of its main ingredients is something that we are familiar with

> but it is likely that it has other active ingredients that are more obscure.

> I'm sorry that I can't say more about it but it wouldn't be respectful of my

> teacher's work to go blabbing about it, and I don't know all the details

> myself in the first place.

>

> Eric Brand

>

>

>

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

The Camilla brand was just taken off the market at the new year.

 

Joey Bedrosian

704-578-6245

nrgcreator

 

 

live long & love strong

 

 

 

 

________________________________

<johnkokko

 

Tue, March 16, 2010 11:44:10 AM

Re: Re: Yunnan Bai Yao Safety?

 

 

Eric,

there are a lot of fakes out there, but one was very popular until a few

years ago,

when the official company sued it and took it off the market in the U.S.

Does anyone remember the name of it? It had pink colored writing, instead

of blue.

 

The official one is:

Yunnan Bai Yao Capsules - small

Yunnan Bai Yao

 

Standard Dosage:

1-2 capsules 4 x day. Use topically or internally for trauma

 

Ingredients:

Proprietary formula, Panax notoginseng root, Ajuga forrestii herb, Dioscorea

opposita rhizome, Dioscorea nipponica root, Erodium stephanianum herb,

Dioscorea parviflora rhizome, Inula cappa herb. - ingredients undisclosed. ,

Tian san qi, San yu cao, Shan yao, Chuan shan long, Lao guan cao, Ku liang

jiang, Bai niu dan.

 

Cautions & Contraindications:

Contraindicated during pregnancy.

 

http://english. peopledaily. com.cn/english/ 200110/19/ eng20011019_ 82703.html

 

Is the primary ingredient Shan yao?

That would make sense, because it's a less expensive ingredient and is still

astringent.

San Qi is quite expensive.

 

K

 

On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 1:53 PM, smilinglotus <smilinglotus@ >wrote:

 

>

>

> < %40.

com>,

> " Derek Owen Doss " <derekodoss@ ...> wrote:

> > Now we need a thread called " What The Heck is Up with Yunnan Baiyao? "

> > Any further info that you could provide Eric would be appreciated.

> > For example, are you saying there has been some kind of chemical assay to

> establish the relative dearth of San Qi in the formula...

> > <

%40. com>,

> " starguard_1 " <starguard_1@ > wrote:

> > > Eric,

> > > Qi Li San is given for all kinds of injuries. Therefore, I suspect that

> it provided the inspiration for Yunnan Bai Yao.

>

> One of my teachers from Hong Kong did extensive research on the chemistry

> and composition of Yunnan Baiyao. The formulation of Yunnan Baiyao is a

> protected secret so it isn't really appropriate for me to discuss his

> research results on a public forum like CHA. However, suffice to say that

> San Qi is not its main ingredient, and it isn't related to Qi Li San. Of

> course, San Qi powder can be used on its own for bleeding just like Yunnan

> Baiyao, but San Qi and Yunnan Baiyao are not interchangeable.

>

> Yunnan Baiyao used to be a local medicine that relied on a family recipe

> from Yunnan province, and it is believed to contain a variety of local

> medicinals beyond the standard Chinese herbs common in international

> commerce. One of its main ingredients is something that we are familiar with

> but it is likely that it has other active ingredients that are more obscure.

> I'm sorry that I can't say more about it but it wouldn't be respectful of my

> teacher's work to go blabbing about it, and I don't know all the details

> myself in the first place.

>

> Eric Brand

>

>

>

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi, 

I have the Yunnan Bai Yao in the blue and white box with the same ingredients. 

It contains a small red pill in addition to the capsules.  Any idea what the

difference/ingredients is/are between the capsules and the red pill?

Inquisitively,

Dianne

 

 

 

 

________________________________

<johnkokko

 

Tue, March 16, 2010 11:44:10 AM

Re: Re: Yunnan Bai Yao Safety?

 

 

Eric,

there are a lot of fakes out there, but one was very popular until a few

years ago,

when the official company sued it and took it off the market in the U.S.

Does anyone remember the name of it? It had pink colored writing, instead

of blue.

 

The official one is:

Yunnan Bai Yao Capsules - small

Yunnan Bai Yao

 

Standard Dosage:

1-2 capsules 4 x day. Use topically or internally for trauma

 

Ingredients:

Proprietary formula, Panax notoginseng root, Ajuga forrestii herb, Dioscorea

opposita rhizome, Dioscorea nipponica root, Erodium stephanianum herb,

Dioscorea parviflora rhizome, Inula cappa herb. - ingredients undisclosed. ,

Tian san qi, San yu cao, Shan yao, Chuan shan long, Lao guan cao, Ku liang

jiang, Bai niu dan.

 

Cautions & Contraindications:

Contraindicated during pregnancy.

 

http://english. peopledaily. com.cn/english/ 200110/19/ eng20011019_ 82703.html

 

Is the primary ingredient Shan yao?

That would make sense, because it's a less expensive ingredient and is still

astringent.

San Qi is quite expensive.

 

K

 

On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 1:53 PM, smilinglotus <smilinglotus@ >wrote:

 

>

>

> < %40.

com>,

> " Derek Owen Doss " <derekodoss@ ...> wrote:

> > Now we need a thread called " What The Heck is Up with Yunnan Baiyao? "

> > Any further info that you could provide Eric would be appreciated.

> > For example, are you saying there has been some kind of chemical assay to

> establish the relative dearth of San Qi in the formula...

> > <

%40. com>,

> " starguard_1 " <starguard_1@ > wrote:

> > > Eric,

> > > Qi Li San is given for all kinds of injuries. Therefore, I suspect that

> it provided the inspiration for Yunnan Bai Yao.

>

> One of my teachers from Hong Kong did extensive research on the chemistry

> and composition of Yunnan Baiyao. The formulation of Yunnan Baiyao is a

> protected secret so it isn't really appropriate for me to discuss his

> research results on a public forum like CHA. However, suffice to say that

> San Qi is not its main ingredient, and it isn't related to Qi Li San. Of

> course, San Qi powder can be used on its own for bleeding just like Yunnan

> Baiyao, but San Qi and Yunnan Baiyao are not interchangeable.

>

> Yunnan Baiyao used to be a local medicine that relied on a family recipe

> from Yunnan province, and it is believed to contain a variety of local

> medicinals beyond the standard Chinese herbs common in international

> commerce. One of its main ingredients is something that we are familiar with

> but it is likely that it has other active ingredients that are more obscure.

> I'm sorry that I can't say more about it but it wouldn't be respectful of my

> teacher's work to go blabbing about it, and I don't know all the details

> myself in the first place.

>

> Eric Brand

>

>

>

 

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[Guest guest]

I buy the one in the blue and white box that lists ingreds but the first one is

" proprietary blend " , 500 mg of it. I'll admit, I take it myself but am wary of

prescribing it because pts often want to know what is in what we prescribe.

 

Martha

Martha Lucas, Ph.D., L.Ac.

303-947-6224

..... become a healer, not just a technician