Guest guest Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Siddhi energetics is out of it, can anyone recommend another reputable supplier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Justin, This isn't gonna help you, sorry, but you might find it interesting. When I was in Bodhgaya last week, the attendees at the course we were doing came from all over the Himalayas, inlcuding lots of Kinnauri, Lahuli. Spiti, and Ladhaki. One guy from Ladakh was selling little packets of shilajit -- 50 rupees each for about what's in a Siddhi Energetics jar. Most of the other Westerners had no idea what this guy was selling. I bought several packets. Other Himalayan region people who later smelled these thought the quality was very good. All were surprised that I knew about shilajit, and all thought very highly of it. Everyone thought I had made a good purchase. So thanks Joseph at Siddhi Energetics for turning me on to shilajit. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Justin, " Bazaar of India " in berkeley seems to supply quality ayurvedic products (with the little that I know of Ayurveda) at a reasonable price. They carry Shilajit, I don't know how it compares with other sources in terms of quality. You can set up a professional acct. and receive a very good discount - I think that you need to purchase $75 worth of products to do that. Or, it you just want to purchase a smaller amount, www.goldenneedleonline, carries the " Bazaar " house brand " Vadik " , also at a reasonable price. And, some info regarding Shilajit from Ray Sahelian's website: A novel idea of the composition and source of Shilajit April 2009, Dear Dr Ray and colleagues, Further to my earlier correspondence regarding Salajit / Shilajit a few years back, I have now located and visited some 20 salajit sites in Pakistan (both Himalaya and Hindu Khush as well as ranges in the Afghan borderlands north of Quetta). I can provide GPS coordinates for 12 and in particular a very accessible and productive site at Fairy Meadows on the flank of Nanga Parbat, Pakistan. I have interviewed salajit hunters / gatherers and processors, researched the subject quite extensively and now can report: Salajit is mammal excreta. Mostly from the Giant Woolly Flying Squirrel but also the Afghan Pika and other small rodents. The Giant Woolly Flying Squirrel in particular has a very waxy-leaf diet (my observations and supported by Zahler, 1998, 2002). It's only relation to rocks is that it is collected from rocky sites where it was excreted. It may be corrected to call it humus but excreta is far more descriptive. Professor Ghosal's claim that it is organic matter from sedimentary rocks is unfounded. As a petroleum geologist I understand the thermal maturation of organic matter in sedimentary rocks (under mountain building temperatures and pressures) and the end products (oil and gas , are well known. The Giant Woolly Flying Squirrel profiles proposed by Ghosal could not survive the thermogenic history of the rocks to which he associates the shilajit, eg Ammonite bearing formations (Ghosal, Shilajit in Perspective, 2006). Most salajit sites visited by me are NOT on sedimentary rocks. I could not find any plants like Styrax officinalis near these sites. Hunters / mountain vendors add rock dust to supplement the weight (it is sold by the kilogram after all) and honey or apricot extracts to sweeten it and cardamom (not sure what this adds). No wonder laboratory analysis come up with a range of mineral compositions!! Early British Himalayan explorers reported on Shilajit and concluded in some localities it is mostly rat urine (Hooper 1903. The distinctive smell / odour often quoted bears a very strong similarity to the poo of the Australian Possum. Peerzada et al claim to have analysed salajit from the Pollock Range in Australia. I have talked with Peerzada at Charles Darwin University and he is very evasive about the origin of his research material. Shilajit is usually described as being sourced from locations at high altitude (4000-6000 metres). The highest point in Australia is Mt. Mt Kosciusko in New South Wales at 2230 metres. I cannot locate the Pollock Ranges anywhere in Australia. (Peerzada, N., Nojek, M., Bhatti, M., and Tariq, S.A., 1992. Bioavailability of nutrient metals, biological thermal and spectroscopic properties of Silajit from Pakistan and Australia. Science International 4, 39-44). Please visit my blogsite for some more details salajitstudies.blogspot dot com. I am not qualified to comment about the medicinal benefits. Would you consider co-authoring a paper to describe the habitat and medicinal claims surrounding Salajit? I believe we could discredit many published statements about salajit and shilajit and shed important light on its origin. Kind Regards, Dr George Carman, Geodirect Resources Pty Ltd ABN65 118 288 029,. Neil Pregozen , justin <anonyjus wrote: > > Siddhi energetics is out of it, can anyone recommend another reputable supplier? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Why am I suddenly less interested in eating this? Is this then fossilized or are there still Giant Woolly Flying Squirrels running around? (er... flying around?) And Eric or anyone else, while we are at it, if this hasn't been answered already, what the heck is Long Gu that we now prescibe anyway? Doug , " neil " <npregozen wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Justin, > Salajit is mammal excreta. Mostly from the Giant Woolly Flying Squirrel but also the Afghan Pika and other small rodents. The Giant Woolly Flying Squirrel in particular has a very waxy-leaf diet (my observations and supported by Zahler, 1998, 2002). > Kind Regards, Dr George Carman, Geodirect Resources Pty Ltd ABN65 118 288 029,. > )______________________ > Neil Pregozen > > , justin <anonyjus@> wrote: > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 , " " wrote: > And Eric or anyone else, while we are at it, if this hasn't been answered already, what the heck is Long Gu that we now prescibe anyway? According to the Zhong Yao Da Ci Dian, Long Gu refers to fossilized bones of various mammals including rhinoceros, antelope, deer, pig, and bovines. Interestingly, the first form of Chinese writing, known as oracle bones, were discovered on Long Gu specimens. Some dude in the Qing dynasty realized that there were characters inscribed in the fossil that he was cooking up, and it was only then (a few hundred years ago) that people realized that they'd been grinding up and eating ancient artifacts from a lost civilization for centuries. BTW, I put up a blog that talks about the classics wherein I called out Dr. Chen Yi-Li in Taiwan for plagiarizing the Shang Han Lun in the link that Phil posted. Her website actually has the audacity to put up a copyright notice, claim that it is her work, and asks others not to copy it! classic. http://www.bluepoppy.com/blog/blogs/blog1.php/2010/01/18/thoughts-on-the-classic\ s Eric Brand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 I just googled it and those critters still seem to be around and pooping... Neil , " " wrote: > > > Why am I suddenly less interested in eating this? Is this then fossilized or are there still Giant Woolly Flying Squirrels running around? (er... flying around?) > > And Eric or anyone else, while we are at it, if this hasn't been answered already, what the heck is Long Gu that we now prescibe anyway? > Doug > > > , " neil " <npregozen@> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Justin, > > Salajit is mammal excreta. Mostly from the Giant Woolly Flying Squirrel but also the Afghan Pika and other small rodents. The Giant Woolly Flying Squirrel in particular has a very waxy-leaf diet (my observations and supported by Zahler, 1998, 2002). > > > Kind Regards, Dr George Carman, Geodirect Resources Pty Ltd ABN65 118 288 029, Director. > > )______________________ > > Neil Pregozen > > > > , justin <anonyjus@> wrote: > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Z'ev, I didn't intend it to be " my claim " . I hope that you seriously did not take it as such. I did think that it was an interesting if not amusing (or disgusting) citation though. Neil , <zrosenbe wrote: > > So, > I'd like to have Neil's claims settled once and for all. Is shilajit what Dr. Lad and all other traditional sources claim, or is it animal excreta as the one web link claims? > > > On Jan 20, 2010, at 2:59 PM, acupolarity-holistic wrote: > > > Here is a quote from Banyan botanical when I wrote to them about Shilajit being mammal excreta: > > " Shilajit is a mineral pitch. There are many sources for this. From > > 'Ayurvedic Medicine' by Sebastian Pole, fwd by Vasant Lad pg > > 273-'Shilajit literally means 'rock overpowering' and is a natural > > exudate from the rocks of the Himalayas and other mountainous regions of > > the world. Its high mineral content oozes out in the heat of summer. It > > is a superb mineral supplement that benefits the kidneys, urinary and > > reproductive systems.' " > > > > Patrick D. Holiman > > > > http://www.acu-polarity.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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